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US condemns 'heinous murder' of Palestinian teen

There are 1604 comments on the The Washington Post story from Jul 2, 2014, titled US condemns 'heinous murder' of Palestinian teen. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

The Obama administration is condemning the killing of a Palestinian teenager as a "heinous murder" and is calling on the perpetrators to be brought to justice.

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Mandela

Perth, Australia

#1610 Aug 19, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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The map I mentioned is the only legal claim to the land as nations go.
http://www.justicenow4israel.com/mandatemap.h...
The League of Nations 52 nations of the world in 1920 got together and created a number of mandates. It is very clear in the Palestine Mandate that it was for the Jews. There is no mention, unlike other Mandates, of political rights for non-Jews. It does mention Religious and Civil rights.
It is not that the maps are false it is the fact that they ignore the original map which gave the Jews all W.Palestine, Jordan, Golan, S.Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem.....
So it is a distortion of the whole conflict. The fact is that the land given to the Jewish people was 5 times the size and this is the lie by your maps.
"Israel is wiping out its captives"? and you are not a Jew hater with a comment like that?
The Palestinians have gone from 500,000- 10,000,000 not exactly wiping them out. Their standard of living post-1967 increased tremendously. Israel helped to create the infrustructure, hospitals, schools etc they have today. Their standard of living was higher in 2000 than anywhere in the region and they started an intifada instead of choosing peace.
Israel supplies them with water which is paid for by Israeli tax payers, Israel supplies Gaza with all supplies even though its elected leaders call to kill Jews as a policy and destroy Israel no matter what. What other nation would do this?
There were Jews in Hebron until they were ethnically cleansed in 1929. Jews lived in numerous places in the West Bank before they were ethnically cleansed in 1948, Jews lived as 2/3 of the population in Jerusalem until they were ethnically cleansed from most by 1948. This was not done by the Arab armies but by the local Arab population.
The Palestinian nation is a new nation and was solely created to destroy Israel and not to create a state. Read their founding charter pre-1967.
Their own leaders have admitted that they had to change the conflict to be between Israel and Palestinians instead of Arabs to portray themselves as the victim. USSR played its part in this. It was the local Arabs who have carried out massacres against the Jews in numbers from the early 1800's. This was before modern Zionism.
Again you seem to have been brainwashed by anti-Zionists with your comments and claims.
lets try again. What legal basis is there for the green line as a border?
So if you look at the Mandate map it is clearly the opposite to your claim. Jews by the mid-1920's were forbidden to live in Jordan even though Jews owned large plots of land there. Same with Syria. 80% of the land was cut of immediately to create Trans-Jordan, The Golan and S.Lebanon also. Then once the Arabs had got that they tried to get it all by creating a Palestinians people. 50% of these Palestinians are not indigenous themselves.
Just go through the family names of Palestinians and it will tell you where they came from. Nothing can be more clear. 40,000 Syrians alone arrived in early 1940's. You can find newspaper clipping of this online if you actually researched this subject.
I understand that this conflict has nothing to do with you, so there is no reason why you would waste time going into it in depth. But don't spread lies. This is where the arrogance and ignorance come together on the conflict.
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Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#1611 Aug 19, 2014
ThatOneBand wrote:
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that's convenient. always the cry from Israel-"It was them! It's their own fault..."
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You use this argument quite often. Israeli snipers have only to say "we thought they were actively engaged in anti-Israeli activities." ACTUALLY, Israeli snipers look for those satisfying opportunities for clean kills- regardless of who, or where, or why...
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yes. i think the governments you mentioned are quilty of war crimes. Israel is unique, though, in that it has completely imprisoned the native population, and then bombs the hell out of a population that cannot run, or defend itself.- and then whines that it is acting with god-sponsored righteousness...
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Israel is unique. I have seen nothing like the scale of Israeli retaliation...
It is their fault for how they fight but it was likely a mistake.
and you know these snipers do you?

These soldiers are just like any other citizens of a democracy. They fight for their families and have no interest or want to kill innocents. This is another libel against Israel. Yes there are always a minority extremists but as a policy of the IDF this is pure libel.

Its not "anti-Israel activity" but being part of an org which openly call for the extermination of world Jewry and acts to carry that out. I suppose you consider Hamas "freedom fighters".

Ok finally. CAN YOU NAME ANY NATION IN THE WORLD WHO WENT TO WAR WHO YOU WOULD CONSIDER AS NOT CARRYING OUT WAR CRIME???

Do you actually know international law on conflict?
Do you know anyone who has fought in a war?

There are plenty of places in Gaza they could have gone and there are number of open areas. So this is another libel against Israel.

CAN YOU NAME ANY BATTLE OR NATION IN THE WORLD WHO HAS DONE MORE TO TRY TO PROTECT CIVILIANS ACCORDING TO INTERNATIONAL LAW?

Iraq is not on the scale of Israel retaliation?Falujah? Bosnia by NATO. SRI LANKA SUPPORTED BY THE WORLD MASSACRED 40,000 CIVILIANS FIGHTING TERRORISM. NAGASAKI? Dresden?
You are in denial. or openly being disingenuous.

Basically as your Colonol Richard Kemp who led your armies in battle said.
There is no military in the history of warfare which has done more than Israel to protect civilians.

What do you know about war? never seen anything like this? Maybe because the MSM has followed the Hamas line throughout. the same Hamas which is a terror org according to most Democracies in the world. Your info is from media not from the ground or factual.

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#1612 Aug 19, 2014
This was the 1919 Zionist proposal to the League of Nations approved by King Feisal...

http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~fisher/HST451...

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1613 Aug 19, 2014
Faith wrote:
6 Days.
That's how long it took tiny Israel.
Tiny Israel that had more armament than all the other countries surrounding them.

Gee... tough one.

Tiny Israel: do see how Israelis was able to take on the unarmed, unprotected -except for two .50 cal guns- American ship the Liberty when it was in international waters, killing 34 Americans in just two hours!

Gee... look how tiny Israel- with just a billion dollars of American weapons- can take on the Palestinian HAMAS.

And old women waving white flags and boys playing soccer...

Yea... tough guys...

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1614 Aug 19, 2014
Zioni wrote:
These soldiers are just like any other citizens of a democracy.
Israel is not a democracy.

It is a theocracy.

If you are a Jew.. then it is sort of a democracy though even among Jews, not all are equal...

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1615 Aug 19, 2014
Zioni wrote:
They fight for their families
More than enough videos out there already of Israelis snipers killing boys and unarmed men.

No one is waiting for you to admit the truth.

Two thousand dead, one month, including over 400 children.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1616 Aug 19, 2014
Zioni wrote:
They fight for their families and have no interest or want to kill innocents.
The 2,000 people killed in the last month have just read your last post, and relieved that there was no real reason for Israelis to have killed them, have breathed in a collective sigh of relief and have risen from their graves, glad to no longer be dead.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1617 Aug 19, 2014
Is there a statute of limitation on your last post?

Because certainly, there was no reason for the state of Israel to attack the Liberty when it was in international waters.

The Israelis- even though they identified the AMERICAN ship BY NAME before they attacked it- clearly had no reason to do so (or, at least, perhaps the reason they had was wrong... that they attacked the Liberty because Sharon thought they had heard them when the IDF was killing their Egyptian POWs).

We can agree Israel had no GOOD reason to kill these Americans.

So they must not be dead?
ThatOneBand

Ann Arbor, MI

#1618 Aug 19, 2014
Zioni wrote:
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The map I mentioned is the only legal claim to the land as nations go.
http://www.justicenow4israel.com/mandatemap.h...
The League of Nations 52 nations of the world in 1920 got together and created a number of mandates. It is very clear in the Palestine Mandate that it was for the Jews. There is no mention, unlike other Mandates, of political rights for non-Jews. It does mention Religious and Civil rights.
It is not that the maps are false it is the fact that they ignore the original map which gave the Jews all W.Palestine, Jordan, Golan, S.Lebanon, West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem.....
So it is a distortion of the whole conflict. The fact is that the land given to the Jewish people was 5 times the size and this is the lie by your maps.

[QUOTE who="Zioni"]<quot ed text>"Israel is wiping out its captives"? and you are not a Jew hater with a comment like that?
i don't hate jewish people. i hate governments that bomb and destroy with impunity.
Zioni wrote:
<quoted text>The Palestinians have gone from 500,000- 10,000,000 not exactly wiping them out. Their standard of living post-1967 increased tremendously. Israel helped to create the infrustructure, hospitals, schools etc they have today. Their standard of living was higher in 2000 than anywhere in the region and they started an intifada instead of choosing peace.
Israel supplies them with water which is paid for by Israeli tax payers, Israel supplies Gaza with all supplies even though its elected leaders call to kill Jews as a policy and destroy Israel no matter what. What other nation would do this?
There were Jews in Hebron until they were ethnically cleansed in 1929. Jews lived in numerous places in the West Bank before they were ethnically cleansed in 1948, Jews lived as 2/3 of the population in Jerusalem until they were ethnically cleansed from most by 1948. This was not done by the Arab armies but by the local Arab population.
The Palestinian nation is a new nation and was solely created to destroy Israel and not to create a state. Read their founding charter pre-1967.
Their own leaders have admitted that they had to change the conflict to be between Israel and Palestinians instead of Arabs to portray themselves as the victim. USSR played its part in this. It was the local Arabs who have carried out massacres against the Jews in numbers from the early 1800's. This was before modern Zionism.
Again you seem to have been brainwashed by anti-Zionists with your comments and claims.
lets try again. What legal basis is there for the green line as a border?
So if you look at the Mandate map it is clearly the opposite to your claim. Jews by the mid-1920's were forbidden to live in Jordan even though Jews owned large plots of land there. Same with Syria. 80% of the land was cut of immediately to create Trans-Jordan, The Golan and S.Lebanon also. Then once the Arabs had got that they tried to get it all by creating a Palestinians people. 50% of these Palestinians are not indigenous themselves.
Just go through the family names of Palestinians and it will tell you where they came from. Nothing can be more clear. 40,000 Syrians alone arrived in early 1940's. You can find newspaper clipping of this online if you actually researched this subject.
I understand that this conflict has nothing to do with you, so there is no reason why you would waste time going into it in depth. But don't spread lies. This is where the arrogance and ignorance come together on the conflict.
all this is interesting.
thank you for your response...

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#1619 Aug 19, 2014
ThatOneBand wrote:
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i don't hate jewish people. i hate governments that bomb and destroy with impunity.
You forget:

If you don't accept everything the Israelis do, even when they kill four hundred children in a month, you are of course an antisemite.
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I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#1622 Aug 20, 2014
I can read wrote:
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You are claiming that Hamas knew if they put kids on a beach the IDF would kill them.
It's pretty clear you know the IDF are murderous child killing scum but you don't have the personal integrity to admit it.
Sirocco doesn't seem to want to respond to this for some reason.

He got caught admitting that all hamas would need to do for israel to accuse them of using kids as human sheilds is to let the lids out in public. At that point they'd be certain the IDF would kill the kids and blame hamas.
Mandela

Perth, Australia

#1623 Aug 20, 2014
scirocco wrote:
U.S. Group Cancels Trip to Glasgow after City Council Flies Palestinian Flag
Plans to bring 600 U.S. visitors to Glasgow have been abandoned because of the city council's decision to fly the Palestinian flag. The trip, which would have injected hundreds of thousands of pounds into Glasgow, and the Scottish economy, was a reward to 600 salesmen and women, and their spouses, from one of the top worldwide corporations.
But after reading about Glasgow's decision to fly the Palestinian flag over the City Chambers to show solidarity with Gaza, the New York-based vice-president of the company wrote to Glasgow's Lord Provost, Sadie Docherty, saying: "I was...spearheading an event in Glasgow for 600 business visitors to be guests of your wonderful city. We were scheduling six days in Glasgow.... Having read your statement endorsing Hamas and its leadership due to the number of Muslims in your city, I have decided to cancel all plans for our trip."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/500601/Damag...
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The Scots had been at pains to accomadate the great amount of incoming visitors so
they quietly welcomed the cancellations ...which will not be noticed due to the
increasing number booking from europe and arab nations

The in-effective boycott of course comes from a zionist group who squeal like stuck pigs
when a boycott of zionist israel is touted .........
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Och eye the nooo........solly

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I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#1624 Aug 20, 2014
If you believe the article then you can surely name the company involved?
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#1625 Aug 20, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Tiny Israel that had more armament than all the other countries surrounding them.
Gee... tough one.
Tiny Israel: do see how Israelis was able to take on the unarmed, unprotected -except for two .50 cal guns- American ship the Liberty when it was in international waters, killing 34 Americans in just two hours!
Gee... look how tiny Israel- with just a billion dollars of American weapons- can take on the Palestinian HAMAS.
And old women waving white flags and boys playing soccer...
Yea... tough guys...
I see. So when the terrorist states attack a tiny but heavily armed country and get their asses handed to them... it's "unfair".

I guess the moral of the story is: don't fire homemade rockets at supersonic fighter jets and don't throw rocks at tanks..
Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#1626 Aug 20, 2014
Hamas is designated as a terrorist group by every civilized nation....because they are terrorists.
Mandela

Perth, Australia

#1627 Aug 20, 2014
scirocco wrote:
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Did you ever explain why the US lied to the UN about having no ships in the area?
Liars like you never tell the truth.
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WHY WORRY ABOUT SHIPS in the area.....

>>>>>>> >>Both American and zionist israel collabotated with each other and were complicit in the fate of the USS Liberty ..........

Operation Cyanide was the reason that the USS Liberty was sent to the war zone without protection. Yet, thirty years after the attack, there isn’t a single reference to Operation Cyanide despite numerous Freedom of Information Act requests regarding the attack.

The Government archives for this period are kept at the Lyndon Baines Johnson Library in Austin, Texas. Among all of the papers about the Liberty there is one dated April 10, 1967 stamped – SECRET – EYES ONLY.

That document was “sanitized” in December 1988. It was apparently the minutes from a meeting on April 7, 1967 that included Walt Rostow (National Security Advisor), Ambassador Foy Kohler (Deputy Under Secretary of State), Cyrus Vance (Deputy Secretary of Defense), and Admiral Rufus Taylor (CIA Deputy Chief).[46]

Apparently, Operation Cyanide included an Israeli war against Egypt in order to depose Gamal Abdul Nasser, a purported Soviet puppet.

U.S. intelligence and military specialists were sent to Israel months before to plan and prepare for the operation.

The operation was an agreement between Johnson and Israel during which the USS Liberty was supposed to be sunk, along with all of her crew. When Israel’s attack failed to sink the ship, the game plan changed which included an apology from Israel and a phony cover story.[47]

According to author Peter Hounam, a U.S. intelligence agent claimed that Captain McGonagle was aware of the pretext and the intentions of the U.S. to attack Egypt and had been briefed to anticipate a superficial strafing attack on the USS Liberty.[48]

The attack unexpectedly accelerated, perhaps because what the Liberty’s surveillance revealed about Israel’s terrorism against the Egyptians.

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According to an independent, unofficial study, the “The White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack…”[32] McNamara recalled the aircraft that had been launched from the Saratoga within minutes. Certainly, he would not have made such a move without Johnson’s approval.[33]
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Secretary McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled a second time. Admiral Geis was told that President Johnson had ordered the aircraft to be returned,“He would not have his allies embarrassed, he didn't care who was killed or what was done to the ship.”[34]

According to Admiral Geis, President Johnson, known for his ruthlessness and vile profanity told Geis,“I want that goddamn ship going to the bottom.

No help – recall the wings.”[35] Tony Hart, a Navy communications technician stationed at the U.S. Navy Base in Morocco in June 1967 reported that McNamara responded,

>>>>>>> >>>“We are not going to war over a bunch of dead sailors.”[36]

If the Liberty had sunk, as Johnson wanted, Egypt would have been blamed.
Government officials, including the McCains were inforced into absolute silence about the Liberty’s assault.

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Faith

New Baltimore, MI

#1628 Aug 20, 2014
ThatOneBand wrote:
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i don't hate jewish people. i hate governments that bomb and destroy with impunity.
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all this is interesting.
thank you for your response...
Bullsht.

Pansy. You don't even have the stones to admit you anti-Semitism.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#1629 Aug 20, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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More than enough videos out there already of Israelis snipers killing boys and unarmed men.
No one is waiting for you to admit the truth.
Two thousand dead, one month, including over 400 children.
So much evidence you can't even decide on one source to post?

Suppose you are also one of those who denies Hamas is even firing missiles at Israeli civilians from Civilian areas.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#1630 Aug 20, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The 2,000 people killed in the last month have just read your last post, and relieved that there was no real reason for Israelis to have killed them, have breathed in a collective sigh of relief and have risen from their graves, glad to no longer be dead.
You clearly, like many here, have no understanding of war. By your implications there isn't a soldier in the world who doesn't intend to kill civilians when he does.

half of those if they were terrorists as they seem to be DESERVED to die.
The civilian deaths are tragic. Information coming out now states that Qatar are the ones who told Hamas not to accept the first ceasefire. They continue to do the same.

Do you condemn and call for a boycott of Qatar for funding terrorists Hamas and ISIS?

Will you boycott Sansburies? PSG (owners), Barcelona (sponsor), Barkleys Bank, Volkswagen, Miramax, Credit Suisse, Al Ja-zeera,

QATAR openly funds terrorism and the West is appeasing them for monetary gain. Sick hypocrites. Where are the protests and boycotts?

Another example of EU antisemitism (double standard towards Israel) Which according to the EU definition is antisemitism.
Zioni

Kfar Saba, Israel

#1631 Aug 20, 2014
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You forget:
If you don't accept everything the Israelis do, even when they kill four hundred children in a month, you are of course an antisemite.
When you spread known lies about Israel and call for its destruction, support Hamas, you are a Jew-hater.
When you try to justify Palestinian terrorism by blaming Israel you are a Jew-hater.

When you ignore the 50 countries of the world where there are real intentional ethnic cleansing and genocide while targeting Israel you are a Jew-hater

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