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There are 151 comments on the TheBlaze.com story from May 18, 2012, titled 'Hypocrites': Sharpton Blasts Black Pastors Who.... In it, TheBlaze.com reports that:

It's no secret that many Christian pastors have taken a stand against President Barack Obama's proclamation of support for same-sex marriage.

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LEW777

Long Beach, CA

#51 Sep 14, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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The word "homosexual" wasn't even invented till 1869. When you see it in the bible, you should immediately recognize it as a modern mistranslation and interpretation of the translator.
"The word first appeared in Germany to describe the theory that from birth some people are predisposed toward persons of the same sex. Since the biblical languages (Hebrew and Greek) had no words for heterosexual or homosexual, it is anachronistic and misleading when homosexual is used to translate a biblical text. It is wrong to proclaim the biblical view of homosexuality since there is none. This violates the integrity of the individual texts and the biblical witness as a whole. Each reference to what is today homosexuality must be read in the light of the particular literary, cultural, and historic contexts of any particular passage." (Rev. Dr. Mel White)
You may also note adultery actually harms others while sexual orientation is not inherently harmful. Yet we don't deny marriage or any other equal rights to adulterers, or the others listed.
Again, those passages were addressing pagan fertility ritual sex which involved prostitutes. It has nothing to do with adult same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect. Why do you refuse to treat others the way you want to be treated when they seek a committed relationship, yet don't deny equal rights to those who actually cause needless harm?
Matthew 7:12: So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
Galatians 5:14: The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
John 13:34: A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
1 John 4:21: And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.
John 15:12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you.
John 15:17: This is my command: Love each other.
James 2:8: But if you keep the greatest law of all, as it is given in the holy Writings, Have love for your neighbour as for yourself
I would imagine the word "THEOCRACY" was not around (in the old testament) when GOD was speaking directly to Israel, but we don't deny the actions in the bible would describe Israel as being "under" a Theocracy. listen, people can "try" and play word games duck, dodge deny, but the bottom line on this specific topic, GOD did not design two people of the same sex to "have sex" partner up or get married, and (as far back as the old testament) he says not to do it. Uh, I'm going with ALLLLLLL :) of the "wrong" (SMH) translations you mentioned. You mention "rights", again not EVERYONE who decides to get married has the "RIGHT" to do so. Now, saying it that way sounds bad. but again, my position comes from what GOD (and Paul) have said. We may be "allowed" (BY LAW) to do some things, heavy drinking, porn SAME SEX MARRIAGE fornicate...but all things are not good for me" most, MOST are sins 1 Cor 6:12
Hussain the Terrible

Anchorage, AK

#52 Sep 14, 2012
Hussain Obama said that Sharpton was Gay!

Any truth to this?
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“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#54 Sep 14, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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And you want us to believe you practice all of Leviticus? You don't even attempt to follow all of Leviticus, including:
Leviticus 19:18: You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.
and Leviticus 19:34: But the stranger that dwells with you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself; for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Your use of Leviticus to ignore the Golden Rule fails to consider Leviticus in context:
"Both of these verses refer not to homosexuals but to heterosexuals who took part in the baal fertility rituals in order to guarantee good crops and healthy flocks. No hint at sexual orientation or homosexuality is even implied. The word abomination in Leviticus was used for anything that was considered to be religiously unclean or associated with idol worship.
Because these two verses in Leviticus have been used more than any other Bible texts to condemn and reject gay and lesbian people, the following material is given to help you think objectively about traditional abusive use of the Bible regarding homosexuals.
The use of Leviticus to condemn and reject homosexuals is obviously a hypocritical selective use of the Bible against gays and lesbians. Nobody today tries to keep the laws in Leviticus. Look at Leviticus 11:1-12, where all unclean animals are forbidden as food, including rabbits, pigs, and shellfish, such as oysters, shrimp, lobsters, crabs, clams, and others that are called an "abomination." Leviticus 20:25 demands that "you are to make a distinction between the clean and unclean animal and between the unclean and clean bird; and you shall not make yourself an abomination by animal or by bird or by anything that creeps on the ground, which I have separated for you as unclean." You can eat some insects like locusts (grasshoppers), but not others."
Leviticus 12:1-8 declares that a woman is unclean for 33 days after giving birth to a boy and for 66 days after giving birth to a girl and goes on to demand that certain animals must be offered as a burnt offering and a sin offering for cleansing. Nobody today who claims to be a Christian tries to keep these laws, and few people even know about them! Why do you think that most people don't know about them?
(continued at:)
http://www.otkenyer.hu/truluck/six_bible_pass...
There are other explanations as well that show these two verses do not condemn same sex love and commitment, but same sex behavior for straight people.
Another of many sites that explains the bible does not condemn loving, committed adult same sex relationships:
"The standard Biblical case against homosexuality is not as air-tight as many people seem to think. People bring up many points routinely, and it’s amazing how the attacks don’t hold up–if you look at their Biblical “evidence” carefully." http://biblethumpingliberal.com/2011/05/19/yo...
The Bible doesn't rely on reason anyway. It can't make any airtihht case against gays or anything else. One doesn't believe in the Bible on rational grounds
LEW777

Long Beach, CA

#55 Sep 14, 2012
Savant wrote:
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The Bible doesn't rely on reason anyway. It can't make any airtihht case against gays or anything else. One doesn't believe in the Bible on rational grounds
The place to start when it comes to the bible would be the evidence: incredible accuracy concerning prophecy,the statistical probability of those predictions actually happening, and then they happen! the ancient manuscripts and archaelogical finds. "Airtight", they support the bible.
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#56 Sep 15, 2012
After reading Al`s comment I see his reference to Clinton is not the same as endorsing SSM. This issue is what did God say. To line up a bunch of black people that support SSM will not change what God said about the matter. In ten different versions of the word of God, Sodomy is a sin. Sex between two man or two women is condemn by God. Sex between unmarried people are condemn by God. Sex outside of marriage is condemn by God. God destroyed the whole world because of the evil imagination of the people. The word of God warn believers of false prophets and teachers.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#57 Sep 15, 2012
LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>The place to start when it comes to the bible would be the evidence: incredible accuracy concerning prophecy,the statistical probability of those predictions actually happening, and then they happen! the ancient manuscripts and archaelogical finds. "Airtight", they support the bible.
I doubt that. For one thing, there's no conception of literal truth in the Bible, nor is the Bible a scientific or philosophical treatise relying uping reason and evidence.
The Bible and its alleged predictions are themselves open to numerous and often conflicting interpretations.
And predictions can rarely if ever be certain, especially predictions of the Biblical type.
How mamy times has the Second Coming been predicted over the past 2000 years. Indeed, even the Bible has Jesus saying that there were people living THEN who would not taste death before he returned. Unless you can verify the existence of some 2000+ year old people from old Judea among us, it would seem that even the predictions of Jesus himself were less than accurate.

“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#58 Sep 15, 2012
Savant wrote:
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I doubt that. For one thing, there's no conception of literal truth in the Bible, nor is the Bible a scientific or philosophical treatise relying uping reason and evidence.
The Bible and its alleged predictions are themselves open to numerous and often conflicting interpretations.
And predictions can rarely if ever be certain, especially [predictions of the Biblical type.
How mamy times has the Second Coming been predicted over the past 2000 years. Indeed, even the Bible has Jesus saying that there were people living THEN who would not taste death before he returned. Unless you can verify the existence of some 2000+ year old people from old Judea among us, it would seem that even the predictions of Jesus himself were less than accurate.]
church folk read this biblical passage over and over and over again and still don't get it.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#59 Sep 16, 2012
Frank wrote:
(the word of God)
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
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No REAL preacher goes AGAINST the word of God.
That is a NO BRAINER.
End of story.
I think you should worry more about those new voter ID lawa designed to disenfranchise people of color and the poor rather than worrying about who's marrying or sleeping with whom. Maybe you should quote less from Bible and read Michelle Alexander's THE NEW JIM CROW if you are TRULY concerned about the state of Black America.
And as some progressive liberation-oriented clerics have pointed out, the Bible says extremely little about homosexuals but a LOT about social injustice and greed and oppression.
That's what Jesus and the Old Testament prophets (especially Isaiah and Amos) were concerned about. That's what Dr. King was concerned about.
And ministers are hypocrites if they are more worried about gay couples than about 12 millions American children going to bed hungry in the world richest nation.
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#60 Sep 16, 2012
i have been to many black churches and heard many sermons. Yet people like to fight against the preacher for what the bible says. Common sense say when a person sit down to eat, they have more that one thing on the plate. Like in bible times, the church address the social issue of the time. SSM and gay rights are some of the social issue of today. People that have no insight into spiritual matters will always think those who do are not right according to them. Skeptics and unbelievers will always try to disprove the bible and God. What they forget is they are dealing with a greater power than them. Those people that have experience with God understand more than the person who dispute that God exist.

“Sombrero Galaxy”

Since: Jan 10

I'm An Illegal Alien

#61 Sep 16, 2012
Savant wrote:
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I doubt that. For one thing, there's no conception of literal truth in the Bible, nor is the Bible a scientific or philosophical treatise relying uping reason and evidence.
The Bible and its alleged predictions are themselves open to numerous and often conflicting interpretations.
And predictions can rarely if ever be certain, especially predictions of the Biblical type.
How mamy times has the Second Coming been predicted over the past 2000 years. Indeed, even the Bible has Jesus saying that there were people living THEN who would not taste death before he returned. Unless you can verify the existence of some 2000+ year old people from old Judea among us, it would seem that even the predictions of Jesus himself were less than accurate.
Not to mention that the Buybull is filled with contradiction.
LEW777

Long Beach, CA

#62 Sep 17, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
“There is a significant and growing consensus among biblical scholars about the few biblical texts that are often referenced as the basis for condemning same-gender loving people of God. Contemporary biblical scholarship argues strongly against this condemnation and finds a much more significant Gospel message that supports the inclusion of LGBT persons into the full life and mission of the church.”(United Church of Christ)
"Jesus says nothing about same-sex behavior.
The Jewish prophets are silent about homosexuality.
Only six or seven of the Bible's one million verses refer to same-sex behavior in any way -- and none of these verses refer to homosexual orientation as it's understood today.
The Bible says clearly that sex with a prostitute is acceptable for the husband but not for the wife. Polygamy (more than one wife) is acceptable, as is a king's having many concubines.(Solomon, the wisest king of all, had 1,000 concubines.) Slavery and sex with slaves, marriage of girls aged 11-13, and treatment of women as property are all accepted practices in the Scriptures. On the other hand, there are strict prohibitions against interracial marriage, birth control, discussing or even naming a sexual organ, and seeing one's parents nude." (What the Bible Says-and Doesn't Say- About Homosexuality)
Yet while other verses are ignored, those few highly questionable verses are used to justify causing suffering and death for same gender adult loving relationships. Acts of lust, rape, idolatry, violation of religious purity obligations, or pederasty, are not the same as modern loving, committed same sex relationships. While you are free to use your beliefs to determine your own actions, when you use your beliefs to justify laws that deny equality, you harm us in a wide variety of ways, including the stigmatization that is used to justify their behavior by those who beat, torture and kill us, here and throughout the world. No matter how much you might wish to deny it, your judgement that we should be punished results in suffering and death.
"United Church of Christ" you can't be serious!Jesus IS GOD, so he did speak on homosexuality,also, there are many things Jesus did'nt speak about that YOU would say are wrong. That's a weak angle. You have touched on the the Validity of the bible but still have NOT given ANY verses....give me the verse where the bible condones prostitution. GOD never CONDONES more than one wife. You may not see GOD striking down King David, Solomon etc..about having more than one wife, but you won't find that GOD sets things up or orders more than one wife. You will also find that GOD allowed nations (it's calleed grace) to openly oppose him(children of Israel) and exist for years and years...... before they were "taken out" What a person needs to do is study the bible "OBJECTIVELY". Uh, educate me. What EXACTLY is "TRANSGENDERED"
LEW777

Long Beach, CA

#63 Sep 17, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
i have been to many black churches and heard many sermons. Yet people like to fight against the preacher for what the bible says. Common sense say when a person sit down to eat, they have more that one thing on the plate. Like in bible times, the church address the social issue of the time. SSM and gay rights are some of the social issue of today. People that have no insight into spiritual matters will always think those who do are not right according to them. Skeptics and unbelievers will always try to disprove the bible and God. What they forget is they are dealing with a greater power than them. Those people that have experience with God understand more than the person who dispute that God exist.
Amen, good post
LEW777

Long Beach, CA

#64 Sep 17, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
After reading Al`s comment I see his reference to Clinton is not the same as endorsing SSM. This issue is what did God say. To line up a bunch of black people that support SSM will not change what God said about the matter. In ten different versions of the word of God, Sodomy is a sin. Sex between two man or two women is condemn by God. Sex between unmarried people are condemn by God. Sex outside of marriage is condemn by God. God destroyed the whole world because of the evil imagination of the people. The word of God warn believers of false prophets and teachers.
Talk to em V.O.R!

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#65 Sep 18, 2012
LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>"United Church of Christ" you can't be serious!Jesus IS GOD, so he did speak on homosexuality,also, there are many things Jesus did'nt speak about that YOU would say are wrong. That's a weak angle. You have touched on the the Validity of the bible but still have NOT given ANY verses....give me the verse where the bible condones prostitution. GOD never CONDONES more than one wife. You may not see GOD striking down King David, Solomon etc..about having more than one wife, but you won't find that GOD sets things up or orders more than one wife. You will also find that GOD allowed nations (it's calleed grace) to openly oppose him(children of Israel) and exist for years and years...... before they were "taken out" What a person needs to do is study the bible "OBJECTIVELY". Uh, educate me. What EXACTLY is "TRANSGENDERED"
I don't recall any passages Biblically attritued to Jesus in which he speaks on homosexuality. Paul writea on it. But I recall no words by Jesus on that topic. Not even in the Sermon on the mount.
LEW777

Long Beach, CA

#66 Sep 18, 2012
Savant wrote:
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I don't recall any passages Biblically attritued to Jesus in which he speaks on homosexuality. Paul writea on it. But I recall no words by Jesus on that topic. Not even in the Sermon on the mount.
Hmmm, so (by your reasoning) if Jesus did not SPECIFICALLY mention something (think now...strip clubs, abortion..)then it's ok?
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#67 Sep 18, 2012
Marriage in the bible is always refer to as between man and woman. Jesus said it from the beginning it was man and woman. Even though we never read the words but Jesus said what the father said, he said. The Father condemn sodomy. The bible said if all the things Jesus said was written the world would not contain the books.

“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#68 Sep 19, 2012
LEW777 wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm, so (by your reasoning) if Jesus did not SPECIFICALLY mention something (think now...strip clubs, abortion..)then it's ok?
As far as I'm concerned it matters not whether he mention it or not. The bottom line is that Christians who overlook that Jesus had much to say about greed, acquisitiveness and injustice to the poor but not about gaynes; who fail to recognize that the Bible as a whole has more to say about social injustice than about homosexuality, are either hypocritical or obtuse. Or maybe they are modern day pharisses and yes men of the Establishment.

I distrust all ministers who are zealous against gays, or even against forbidden straight sexual conduct, but silent about oppression and exploitation.

To hell with them if they're more concerned about whether our gay neighbors marry than about 12 million hungry American children in the world's richest nation.

“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#69 Sep 19, 2012
the voice of reason wrote:
Marriage in the bible is always refer to as between man and woman. Jesus said it from the beginning it was man and woman. Even though we never read the words but Jesus said what the father said, he said. The Father condemn sodomy. The bible said if all the things Jesus said was written the world would not contain the books.
the bible was written by men, not some mythological character called "jesus."

god is a manmade theory (not saying the Universal principle does not exist).

go figure.

“Obsidian Princess”

Since: Sep 09

louisiana

#70 Sep 19, 2012
Savant wrote:
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As far as I'm concerned it matters not whether he mention it or not. The bottom line is that Christians who overlook that Jesus had much to say about greed, acquisitiveness and injustice to the poor but not about gaynes; who fail to recognize that the Bible as a whole has more to say about social injustice than about homosexuality, are either hypocritical or obtuse. Or maybe they are modern day pharisses and yes men of the Establishment.
I distrust all ministers who are zealous against gays, or even against forbidden straight sexual conduct, but silent about oppression and exploitation.
To hell with them if they're more concerned about whether our gay neighbors marry than about 12 million hungry American children in the world's richest nation.
i feel the EXACT same way savant. it doesn't even make any sense for these ministers to be so concerned about some man sleeping with another man and say nothing about polution, our children being slaughtered in the streets on a daily basis, and like you said, children starving, oppression and exploitation.

to hell with them and fk em on the way down there.
the voice of reason

Danville, IL

#71 Sep 19, 2012
dragonpat wrote:
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the bible was written by men, not some mythological character called "jesus."
god is a manmade theory (not saying the Universal principle does not exist).
go figure.
Since this issue is what Jesus said, what other source would I use but the bible and what is written. everything that is written someone has written it. You refer to people you do not know are can prove the things you believe. I believe in God who know everything and that man is limited to his understanding in natural and spiritual matters. No man know more than God.

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