US rejects Crimea vote, warns Russia on new moves

There are 20 comments on the NBC12 story from Mar 16, 2014, titled US rejects Crimea vote, warns Russia on new moves. In it, NBC12 reports that:

President Barack Obama told Russian President Vladimir Putin on Sunday that Crimea's vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia "would never be recognized" by the United States, as he and other top U.S. officials warned Moscow against making further military moves toward southern and eastern Ukraine.

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to the dopey dude

United States

#487 Apr 3, 2014
George wrote:
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Dude, one minute you are trying to tell us you are clever then you come up with this comical BS, holy crap how deluded can you be?
You don't think nuclear war would be suicidal and you call him delusional? Good God, momma drop you on your head once too often?
gas-x

Saint Augustine, FL

#488 Apr 3, 2014
yeah

you tell em USMC-Observer-LOL-etc etc etc etc
George

Red Deer, Canada

#489 Apr 3, 2014
gas-x wrote:
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I was thinking he was in the 1st Drama Queen Brigade
He does like to sing the chorus, so maybe he was the chorus line!!!!
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Hah

Gainesville, FL

#491 Apr 4, 2014
now he's replying to himself
AbeUG

Bound Brook, NJ

#492 Apr 4, 2014
LOL

Yes he does like to talk to himself to vent out the voices in his brain.
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Observer

United States

#494 Apr 4, 2014
Hah wrote:
now he's replying to himself
LOL

You think he's me?

Pop was a Marine, not me.
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“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#496 Apr 4, 2014
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text> You actually think that a conventional war is feasible and winnable against a major nuclear power? And you actually believe Russia would get "steam rolled" by NATO?? LOL!!
Yes, I not only believe, I know they would win, I Think I have said that repeatedly over the course of this discussion, perhaps you lack reading comprehension, But when someone types that America can win alone or NATO all together would steam roll Russia, it means that America can win alone and NATO can steam roll Russia.
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text> American air, ground and naval forces had a hard enough time in their ten year fight against the lowly North VietNamese,
Funny I don't remember Iraq being a problem.... part 1 or part 2.

You claim to be a combat strategist but haven't a clue how the Vietnam war was fought?
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text> and coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan had no damn walk in the park there either!
Hahaha... you point to Iraq and Afghanistan as an example of conventinal warfare...hahaha... you really have no idea what you are talking about do you?
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text> The Russian military is no joke,
Actually they are, I have met them on numerous occasion during joint exercises with Russia, and they were the better soldiers in their army, just jogging with them was a laugh, but they are good guys, they make their lack of fitness a laugh and their lack of marksmanship would never pass basic.
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text> and we know exactly what their strategy of defense is, because it hasn't changed much in over half a century.
Actually it has, you aren't aware of it because you aren't a military strategist like you claim you are.
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text> They would combat any attack on Russian territory using both conventional weaponry and tactical nukes if necessary. If the enemy escalates, they would go to a full scale nuclear attack on the homeland of the opposing force.


See another example that you have no idea what you are talking about, Any nukes that Russia uses America and/or NATO forces would use silly goose and we have already talk about this, when someone, anyone uses a nuke then it becomes a nuclear war, and no one wins those.

Well you think Russia will win.
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text> We knew that this was exactly what we would be facing if we decided to intervene military in Georgia, and that is why we got that notion out of our heads rather quickly.
Riiiiiiiiiight, because it was Russia's nukes that prevented the west from doing anything in Georgia and not the fact that we don't care that much over a couple miles of land in the middle of nowhere.

I guess we were so afraid of those nukes when we armed the Afghan resistance during the soviet invasion and issued an wheat embargo against the USSR and Carter of all presidents ordered, not asked but ordered, Russia not to go into another nation or the USSR would face the full power of the USA including our nuclear weapons.

Yeah, the Russians got the idea of going any further out of their heads real quick.
Military Man wrote:
<quoted text>There will be no conventional war by NATO against Russia, period!!
I have to agree, because USA or NATO wouldn't want to wipe a nation like Russia off the face of the earth over some silly thing like them acting like they are important to the world stage.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#497 Apr 4, 2014
AbeUG wrote:
LOL
Yes he does like to talk to himself to vent out the voices in his brain.
You may be onto something, he pretends he was in the army, he pretends he went to university, he pretends about almost everything, I think the boy snapped or if he was in the army he as the PTSD or came home with an STD
dumb american moron

Pembroke, NC

#498 Apr 4, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
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Yes, I not only believe, I know they would win, I Think I have said that repeatedly over the course of this discussion, perhaps you lack reading comprehension, But when someone types that America can win alone or NATO all together would steam roll Russia, it means that America can win alone and NATO can steam roll Russia.
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Funny I don't remember Iraq being a problem.... part 1 or part 2.
You claim to be a combat strategist but haven't a clue how the Vietnam war was fought?
<quoted text>
Hahaha... you point to Iraq and Afghanistan as an example of conventinal warfare...hahaha... you really have no idea what you are talking about do you?
<quoted text>
Actually they are, I have met them on numerous occasion during joint exercises with Russia, and they were the better soldiers in their army, just jogging with them was a laugh, but they are good guys, they make their lack of fitness a laugh and their lack of marksmanship would never pass basic.
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Actually it has, you aren't aware of it because you aren't a military strategist like you claim you are.
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See another example that you have no idea what you are talking about, Any nukes that Russia uses America and/or NATO forces would use silly goose and we have already talk about this, when someone, anyone uses a nuke then it becomes a nuclear war, and no one wins those.
Well you think Russia will win.
<quoted text>
Riiiiiiiiiight, because it was Russia's nukes that prevented the west from doing anything in Georgia and not the fact that we don't care that much over a couple miles of land in the middle of nowhere.
I guess we were so afraid of those nukes when we armed the Afghan resistance during the soviet invasion and issued an wheat embargo against the USSR and Carter of all presidents ordered, not asked but ordered, Russia not to go into another nation or the USSR would face the full power of the USA including our nuclear weapons.
Yeah, the Russians got the idea of going any further out of their heads real quick.
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I have to agree, because USA or NATO wouldn't want to wipe a nation like Russia off the face of the earth over some silly thing like them acting like they are important to the world stage.
aside from picking off some nations that have a show military do you actually have anything to back that up or are you just the typhical stupid american that likes to make jokes and bluster up until someone makes him piss off?
USa WARRING GLOBAL BULLY

United States

#499 Apr 5, 2014
yep! Most US soldiers are dumb as hell! JAJAJAJArheads! HEHEHEHE
frijoles

Gainesville, FL

#500 Apr 5, 2014
dumb american moron wrote:
<quoted text> aside from picking off some nations that have a show military do you actually have anything to back that up or are you just the typhical stupid american that likes to make jokes and bluster up until someone makes him piss off?
You just got pwned bigtime.

It's about "projection of force" - the US and Britain are the masters of it while Russia and China are miserable failures.

Russia invaded Afghanistan from across the border, while the US did so from the other side of the globe.

The US supplied Gen. Stillwell in China with beans bullets and bombs by air from the US while he was surrounded by superior Japanese forces.

That is why the US would win.
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“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#502 Apr 5, 2014
dumb american moron wrote:
<quoted text> aside from picking off some nations that have a show military do you actually have anything to back that up or are you just the typhical stupid american that likes to make jokes and bluster up until someone makes him piss off?
I don't understand the question, you want me to prove that America could beat Russia alone or NATO as a whole would steam roll them? Well, aside from my person experience working with the Russian military during joint exercises to blowing up their equipment that the Iraqis used(which btw nearly 70% of the Russian military is still using the same outdated equipment as the Iraqis had.) then no, I have no other "proof" but through this magically thing called math and the probability of events with known abilities of the potential belligerents then the out come is really quite simple.

Does Russia have more troops than NATO...No.

Does Russia have more troops than America...No.

Does Russia have better equipment than NATO...No

Does Russia have better equipment than America...No

Can the Russian military defend it's self against NATO forces...No

Can the Russian military defend it's self against American forces...No

Due to the lack of ability to defend Russia through the Russian military will Putin run scared to Russia's nukes to prevent the onslaught coming to his nation...Yes.

Is Nuclear weapons the only way Russia can hope to prevent their nation from being overrun...Yes.

Will NATO use Nuclear weapons if used on their forces...Yes.

Will America use Nuclear weapons if used on their forces... Yes.

Does a war become a Nuclear war when one side or the other uses Nuclear weapons?... Yes.

Who wins nuclear wars?.....No one.

So you see it's really not that hard to figure out. Russia is a weak region power that just happens to have a lot nukes that is it's only means of defense against America or NATO. It's really a rather crappy deal for them, either they get stomped by America or NATO or even the Chinese or blast the world back to the stone age.

Raw deal Russia has.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#503 Apr 5, 2014
USa WARRING GLOBAL BULLY wrote:
yep! Most US soldiers are dumb as hell! JAJAJAJArheads! HEHEHEHE
.

Even their politicians are as dumb as hell. Hehehehe.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#504 Apr 5, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand the question, you want me to prove that America could beat Russia alone or NATO as a whole would steam roll them? Well, aside from my person experience working with the Russian military during joint exercises to blowing up their equipment that the Iraqis used(which btw nearly 70% of the Russian military is still using the same outdated equipment as the Iraqis had.) then no, I have no other "proof" but through this magically thing called math and the probability of events with known abilities of the potential belligerents then the out come is really quite simple.
Does Russia have more troops than NATO...No.
Does Russia have more troops than America...No.
Does Russia have better equipment than NATO...No
Does Russia have better equipment than America...No
Can the Russian military defend it's self against NATO forces...No
Can the Russian military defend it's self against American forces...No
Due to the lack of ability to defend Russia through the Russian military will Putin run scared to Russia's nukes to prevent the onslaught coming to his nation...Yes.
Is Nuclear weapons the only way Russia can hope to prevent their nation from being overrun...Yes.
Will NATO use Nuclear weapons if used on their forces...Yes.
Will America use Nuclear weapons if used on their forces... Yes.
Does a war become a Nuclear war when one side or the other uses Nuclear weapons?... Yes.
Who wins nuclear wars?.....No one.
So you see it's really not that hard to figure out. Russia is a weak region power that just happens to have a lot nukes that is it's only means of defense against America or NATO. It's really a rather crappy deal for them, either they get stomped by America or NATO or even the Chinese or blast the world back to the stone age.
Raw deal Russia has.
.

Well well, why don't you substitute your name for ...The Joke...it would suit you,

you do tell a good joke. Hehehehe.
dumb american moron

Pembroke, NC

#505 Apr 5, 2014
Dajokerman wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't understand the question, you want me to prove that America could beat Russia alone or NATO as a whole would steam roll them? Well, aside from my person experience working with the Russian military during joint exercises to blowing up their equipment that the Iraqis used(which btw nearly 70% of the Russian military is still using the same outdated equipment as the Iraqis had.) then no, I have no other "proof" but through this magically thing called math and the probability of events with known abilities of the potential belligerents then the out come is really quite simple.
Does Russia have more troops than NATO...No.
Does Russia have more troops than America...No.
Does Russia have better equipment than NATO...No
Does Russia have better equipment than America...No
Can the Russian military defend it's self against NATO forces...No
Can the Russian military defend it's self against American forces...No
Due to the lack of ability to defend Russia through the Russian military will Putin run scared to Russia's nukes to prevent the onslaught coming to his nation...Yes.
Is Nuclear weapons the only way Russia can hope to prevent their nation from being overrun...Yes.
Will NATO use Nuclear weapons if used on their forces...Yes.
Will America use Nuclear weapons if used on their forces... Yes.
Does a war become a Nuclear war when one side or the other uses Nuclear weapons?... Yes.
Who wins nuclear wars?.....No one.
So you see it's really not that hard to figure out. Russia is a weak region power that just happens to have a lot nukes that is it's only means of defense against America or NATO. It's really a rather crappy deal for them, either they get stomped by America or NATO or even the Chinese or blast the world back to the stone age.
Raw deal Russia has.
stupidass NATO countries cant even fight a prolonged war in there own homelands. hell most of there defense policy primarily consist of begging the US to send troops to help them if it hits the fan. who are you trying to bullshit here american?

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#506 Apr 5, 2014
Dimitri100 wrote:
<quoted text>.
Well well, why don't you substitute your name for ...The Joke...it would suit you,
you do tell a good joke. Hehehehe.
Thank you, you know it just happens naturally. The tragic thing is that I can never hope to accomplish the joke that is Russia and the Russian people.

“Smart@ss”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#507 Apr 5, 2014
dumb american moron wrote:
<quoted text> stupidass NATO countries cant even fight a prolonged war in there own homelands. hell most of there defense policy primarily consist of begging the US to send troops to help them if it hits the fan. who are you trying to bullshit here american?
Bullshit? This is at it's core a simple understanding of warfare. I enjoy your insults but really, you have to know deep down how much of a failure Russians are as a people and civilization. I mean their only claim to glory would be defeating two starving and frozen armies that tried to invade their backwater nation. One of those frozen armies being the Germans, was only defeated with American help.

You mock NATO nations. But tell me what about their military forces that give you reason to believe that Russia could win a war with NATO.
Pravda

Saint Augustine, FL

#508 Apr 5, 2014
300 years of Mongol boots on Russian necks pressing their faces in the muck is what made them into the rapacious herd of destructive thieves they are today.

I have no sympathy for them - if they live by Mongol ethics let them vanish into the obscurity Mongolia is today.

Mongols of Europe is all they aspire to.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#509 Apr 5, 2014
Pravda wrote:
300 years of Mongol boots on Russian necks pressing their faces in the muck is what made them into the rapacious herd of destructive thieves they are today.
I have no sympathy for them - if they live by Mongol ethics let them vanish into the obscurity Mongolia is today.
Mongols of Europe is all they aspire to.
Using Putins logic and expertise, Russia belongs to Mongolia
Stefan

Peterborough, Canada

#510 Apr 5, 2014
How about some NATO forces accross from Belarus. Reason is to protect the European minded people from Dictatorship

How about a build up around the enclave of Kalingrad with a threat to hold a referendum there

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