What the 2012 election taught us

Nov 6, 2012 Full story: The Washington Post 10,324

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

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Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5085 Dec 5, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
This is not a one or the other question, just like
Did you stop beating your wife is not a yes or no question.
What is better is allowing people to get most of the value of the work they do. In the old west, if you built your own house, you didn't have to give it to some banker. If you saw the local doctor, you didn't have to give some guy thousands of dollars for the right to see the doctor.(insurance company CEOs) If you raised food for yourself and sold the rest to those in the community, you didn't have a middle man, selling the food at outrageous prices, and giving you pennies. I saw a long time ago, that the box that Wheaties comes in costs more than the wheat to make the product, yet the price was very high.
It is better to have a whole society of people who can enjoy the fruits of their own labors. That way, there won't really be any rich or poor, just those who work for sustenance, and those who work a bit more and enjoy a bit more.
Now we have a class of people (the rich) who don't work, but enjoy the fruits of those who do labor. The rich removed opportunity for everyone else to avoid competition, thus ensuring low labor costs. But they have gone too far and are destroying their customer base. A nation with a very small number of exceedingly wealthy individuals is not nearly as good as a nation with a large number of secure people, with opportunities.
I'm sure you lost IG (and most of his political allies) after the first sentence. There's no getting through to these folks. They firmly believe from the bottoms of their blackened souls that if you are for anything but a completely unfettered free-market capitalist society, you are a communist looking for a handout. Common sense is just not in the cards for them.

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#5086 Dec 5, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>So tell us, how long have you been this delutional? You must be one Obama script writers.
It's a living. That's why I had to learn how to spell. "Delutional" indeed! Dumbkopf!

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#5087 Dec 5, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>do you like Federal Government telling you how to live your life and giving you no choice but to purchase services like Healthcare which i just imagine what we will have to purchase next.
What you imagine and what will be are from two different worlds. Visit Planet Earth and you will see.
The point that seems to elude you is that a civilized society requires laws, some regulations, and citizens participating in the social contract that forms a nation. Americans are the most free people in the world, and we need to keep it that way. But if you want no rules and no responsibilities to society, I suggest you find yourself a nice little patch of green in the middle of nowhere.
Liberals r jealous

Rochester, MN

#5088 Dec 5, 2012
What the 2012 election taught us

That 50% of this country seeks handouts and will push our country over the cliff into complete bankrupsty, For the sake of socialism
Some Random Dude

Santa Cruz, CA

#5089 Dec 5, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
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I might agree that for some, they don't put much effort in, because they don't see any path. When they observe others who have been putting in tons of effort, working for decades and still haven't gotten anywhere, they keep looking, but won't work for the A$$. When there is no opportunity, they might keep looking for decades. After a time, one might accuse them of not trying. As for me, regardless of whether or not you see them as lazy or simply uninspired, the presentation of opportunity takes care of the issue.
When opportunity is provided, then either they take the work, or get left behind. When jobs are available, then they have opportunity. When it is possible to start up your own company, then they have opportunity.
What I am really asking for is bringing back opportunity. This is a nation of great innovation, which is being completely shut down by lack of opportunity. I don't care how great your product is, it is almost impossible to get it to market. The large corporations, thru lobbyists have rewritten the laws, to make start ups almost impossible; so that the corporations never have any competition.
I just cannot believe that communist China is the world's best economic model. Unleash our opportunity and the US will regain the lead. Unleash the innovation and there will be plenty of opportunity.
Great post DJ! That pretty much sums it up for a lot of us that are in "limbo". I DO have a job. I perform very well at my job (and basically any job I've had). I started my career as an Aviation Electronics Technician in the US Navy, so it's not that I lack skills. There just aren't a lot of decent opportunities out there (at least not anywhere I've lived). Manufacturing jobs are basically all dead-end jobs and prone to layoffs; so it's difficult to try to make a life or really plan ahead with them... especially in the last decade or so. Manufacturing has been steadily limping since 2001. Good skilled-service jobs are out there, but they are really hard to come by and there's a lot of competition for the few that ARE out there. I'm not sure what's gonna happen to the American way of life, but if it keeps going in this direction it won't be good. If people aren't working or are barely able to feed themselves the last thing they're going to do is spend money on all the other things that keep the economy alive. There's the whole "get an education and you'll be qualified for a better job" argument... and that's true to a point. But I know in my field, there was a bum-rush for electronics techs in the early 90s and the market got saturated. This lowered wages for electronics tech's in general. I can see the same thing happening to the medical fields and with office jobs. In Costa Rica, the state pays for your education all the way through college, even if you go through medical school and become a doctor. And guess what? There are a lot of unemployed Dr's in Costa Rica. Aside from that fact; none of those other career choices are even possible if we aren't manufacturing enough products to keep our economy afloat. You can't build an economy on exchanging information, financial derivatives and a propped-up real estate market. You have to be manufacturing tangible products and you have to have employed people to spend money on those products. Anyway, I guess I'm done ranting for now.
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#5091 Dec 5, 2012
Liberals r jealous wrote:
What the 2012 election taught us
That 50% of this country seeks handouts and will push our country over the cliff into complete bankrupsty, For the sake of socialism
You probably suffer from Glen Beck Syndrome. The symptoms include:

- denial of/or disinterest in human suffering in this country;
- obliviousness to the fact that tax breaks for the rich do not create jobs;
- racial and religious bigotry in a biblical wrapping;
- overall, a very tenuous grip on reality.

If you experience any of these symptoms, call your lobotomist immediately. Any delay could result in permanent brain damage.
gossamer

Warren, MI

#5092 Dec 5, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Stick with that one when you get on the Jerry Springer show.
Make a little sense sometime. Will you?

Since: Aug 11

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#5093 Dec 5, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What you imagine and what will be are from two different worlds. Visit Planet Earth and you will see.
The point that seems to elude you is that a civilized society requires laws, some regulations, and citizens participating in the social contract that forms a nation. Americans are the most free people in the world, and we need to keep it that way. But if you want no rules and no responsibilities to society, I suggest you find yourself a nice little patch of green in the middle of nowhere.
not the direction of the New Left want to take the United States and it is nothing compared to FDR and the Old Left.

New Left

New Left was a range of activists, educators, agitators and others in the 1960s and 1970s who focused their attention on marginal identities and, eventually, identity politics. They rejected involvement with the labor movement and Marxism's historical theory of class struggle. Abandoning the Marxist goals of educating the proletariat, the New Left turned to student activism as its reservoir of power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left

“Happiness comes through giving”

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#5094 Dec 5, 2012
gossamer wrote:
<quoted text>
Make a little sense sometime. Will you?
Sense is boring. Nonsense is fun.

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#5095 Dec 5, 2012
lost-cause wrote:
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First and foremost it should be pride in yourself. Keep going until you do find opportunity or can find that next job where the boss isn't an a$$.
I came from nothing and have never set my a$$ down with my hand out... never.
Look I get that some people need help (hell there was a time or two that I should have swallowed some of that pride) but for many, all they do is have one excuse after another as to why they can't get their a$$es out there and work.
50,000,000 people out of work so your response is people don't want to work. Typical Republican.

I have been to several foreign countries during my time in the military and most men are the same all over the world. They just want a respectable job that allows them to support their family.

That is true in the US as well.

This is a long term problem brought about by globalization, technology, the aging of America among others. Your platitudes will not solve the problem.

You are aptly named, if you got your way America would be a lost cause.

Since: Jul 12

Washington, DC

#5096 Dec 5, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>do you like Federal Government telling you how to live your life and giving you no choice but to purchase services like Healthcare which i just imagine what we will have to purchase next.
I prefer an opt out option with those opting out being allowed to die if they can not pay. This not paying but getting care anyway is just plain wrong for those able to pay.
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#5097 Dec 5, 2012
A person qualifies for free health care based on their incomes. More than half of the American work-force today doesn't have Health Care because of stagnant wages.

The grave mistake of this Health Care Law is 1. it's Republican from the core to the mandate. 2. Obama caved and, in my opinion never fought for Universal Health Care in America.

It makes more sense to have common networks for which consumers can purchase health care, over state lines and, in unison with similar consumers in a particular region.

The key concept of insurance is the larger the pool the less the cost of purchasing insurance.
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
The Founding Fathers would charge today's big government progressives with treason.
"Describing ObamaCare as an 'entrepreneurial' bill,[Nancy] Pelosi advised artistic Americans to quit their jobs with the assurance that the new health care law would pick up the tab for their health insurance."
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/07/02/artists-...
Pelosi would be one of the first to face the hangman.

Since: Aug 11

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#5098 Dec 5, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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I prefer an opt out option with those opting out being allowed to die if they can not pay. This not paying but getting care anyway is just plain wrong for those able to pay.
but its still going to be that way for the the dead beats that cant and dont wont to pay because they will figure out how to beat the system and will still be on Medicaid like my cousin who works for a doctor tells how these people driving Cadillacs come in with Medicaid cards and you know they have figured out how to beat the system and one is a business owner.
Liberals r jealous

Rochester, MN

#5099 Dec 5, 2012
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>You probably suffer from Glen Beck Syndrome. The symptoms include:
- denial of/or disinterest in human suffering in this country;
- obliviousness to the fact that tax breaks for the rich do not create jobs;
- racial and religious bigotry in a biblical wrapping;
- overall, a very tenuous grip on reality.
If you experience any of these symptoms, call your lobotomist immediately. Any delay could result in permanent brain damage.
So I guess you are one of the Obama victims that want to punnish people that are successful?
when that "Other People's Money" is all gone then what?
Eric Gustafson

Newport News, VA

#5100 Dec 5, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
I prefer an opt out option with those opting out being allowed to die if they can not pay. This not paying but getting care anyway is just plain wrong for those able to pay.
So locations practice that with Fire Department coverage of an area. There's been more and more stories about Fire Departments allowing the total destruction of a property because of an unpaid emergency bill.

I sought of agree, however, a society that doesn't treat it's ill and severely sick has to border along the lines of being savages, barbaric at the least.

Since: Dec 12

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#5101 Dec 5, 2012
Old rules of divide and conquer. While we fight amongst each other about what corrupt politician is better than the other, they sit and share a good laugh at our expense while they both work for the same agenda! Wake the f$#k up!!!!
Liberals r jealous

Rochester, MN

#5102 Dec 5, 2012
Food stamp spending up 100 percent since Obama took office

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/sessions-fo...

“or Fox News”

Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#5103 Dec 5, 2012
Liberals r jealous wrote:
Food stamp spending up 100 percent since Obama took office
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/sessions-fo...
Conservative's Obama Derangement Syndrome up 1,000 percent since Nov. 6th 2012.

Since: Aug 11

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#5104 Dec 5, 2012
Liberals r jealous wrote:
Food stamp spending up 100 percent since Obama took office
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/07/sessions-fo...
remember Bush Bankrupt the country and Conservatives know it.

BRUCE BARTLETT: Bankrupt America? Yes, I think that we have had something like a $20 trillion increase in the national debt under this president's watch and I think that one of these days, I don't know when, but one of these days, the chickens are going to come home to roost.

http://www.deepjournal.com/p/7/a/en/590.html

Impostor: How George W. Bush Bankrupted America and Betrayed the Reagan Legacy
by Bruce Bartlett

http://www.conservativebookservice.com/produc...
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#5106 Dec 5, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>not the direction of the New Left want to take the United States and it is nothing compared to FDR and the Old Left.
New Left
New Left was a range of activists, educators, agitators and others in the 1960s and 1970s who focused their attention on marginal identities and, eventually, identity politics. They rejected involvement with the labor movement and Marxism's historical theory of class struggle. Abandoning the Marxist goals of educating the proletariat, the New Left turned to student activism as its reservoir of power.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left
I have no problem with the so-called "New Left" in this country. I am part of it, proudly so.

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