What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10313 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at The Washington Post.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3297 Nov 26, 2012
Not Real Sure wrote:
<quoted text>Where exactly does it say, we should be forced to buy health care Pops,,,,,I can't find it !!!!
I am all for an opt out provision PROVIDED it allows healthcare providers the ability to deny service to anyone unable to pay through insurance or cash. This would include emergencies.

You come to the ER unconsious. The first time they find you MAY not be able to pay (burden of proof is on the customer) they can wheel you out into the street.

And if you opt out, there is no opt in when you are 80.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3298 Nov 26, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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LOL! We weren't?
Early settlements and colonies were absolutely based in capitalism. There was private ownership of production, the creation of goods or services for profit, competitive markets and capital accumulation.
You obviously don't have even a basic understanding of the word.
Since you are focused on the production of goods then we can assume that you do not think public assistance (food, housing, medical care and other services provided for the poor) is socialism. Is that correct?

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#3299 Nov 26, 2012
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer a question with a question? Is that how it works?
Yeah, when your original question isn't clear.

Anyway, I'll answer both. 17 republican presidents have won with 50% or more of the popular vote. 4 have done it back to back.

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#3300 Nov 26, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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Since you are focused on the production of goods then we can assume that you do not think public assistance (food, housing, medical care and other services provided for the poor) is socialism. Is that correct?
I think temporary assistance for those down on their luck and a more permanent type for those who are either physically or mentally unable to be productive citizens is necessary to a civil society.

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#3301 Nov 26, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Eventually rules and regulations were established for the disposal of waste and sewage.
Living primarily off the government is now a lifestyle choice thanks to "rules and regulations".

http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia

Not good.

“or Fox News”

Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#3302 Nov 26, 2012
sage won wrote:
<quoted text> no chance, I've never been proven wrong.
No, what it is is that you cannot ACCEPT that you were proven wrong. Big difference.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3303 Nov 26, 2012
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>it would be interesting for sure but I can bet for sure that in Michigan most of the Food Stamp use is in Wayne County which is Detroit.
On a raw number basis or as a percentage of the population (X% of Detroit recieves food stamps verses somewhere else.)

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3304 Nov 26, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
3% is not a "pretty big" margin of victory in the history of presidential elections. In fact 34 U.S. presidential elections have been decided by a 4% margin or higher...much higher.
Now what's your question - a republican candidate has received more than 50% once, or twice?
Given economic growth, unemployment, wage growth, the destruction of wealth and foreign events 3% is probably worth 10% at any other time.

Simply put, Obama's reelection puts him in the same category as FDR.........as far as retaining office in hard economic times.

The Republicans cannot hide from this fact given their economic arguments and emphasis on Benghazi and the Muslim Brotherhood going into election day.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3305 Nov 26, 2012
Village Mystery wrote:
Obama won with an anti-rich and anti-Republican campaign. He offered little more than that garbage man who said Romney doesn't hug him or that guy who exploited his dead wife. He merely held his stock-style of rallies where he behaved like a juvenile and spewed out childish taunts and catered to the most primitive of his followers with excuses of why they haven't succeeded (other people's fault of course).
And that Julia cartoon.....in America it would be nice if I didn't have to say more than that but the majority now choose pathetic over free and strong.
You have really got to be some mindless team player to celebrate such a victory - or one of the hate-filled losers in life who don't care that the goal of a free society of Individuals is for the most part dead.
Hold on as "climate change" and "healthcare" policy devour what was left of this great experiment in Liberty and the ultimate REVENGE takes a hold.
How can you say "anti-rich" when he had the support of Gates, Buffet, Soros and the Patriot Millionaires group?

It would be much easier to say the Republicans were against the rich since the richest sided with Obama. Even within Congress the richest Senators and Representatives sided with Obama for the most part.

Where is the "Millionaires for a Taxcut" Group?

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3306 Nov 26, 2012
inbred Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
Bingo....and don't forget reparations, it's time for payback for those 400 years of oppression. Obama plans to take money from those that never owned slaves, and give it to the ones who were never slaves, in the interest of 'fairness'
Don't tell me you azre turning into a "goof-ball" also? You were always one of the more sane Republicans.

On about the same note, on another thread there are some "birthers" telling some "truthers" that they are crazy.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3307 Nov 26, 2012
Village Mystery wrote:
Obama won with an anti-rich and anti-Republican campaign. He offered little more than that garbage man who said Romney doesn't hug him or that guy who exploited his dead wife. He merely held his stock-style of rallies where he behaved like a juvenile and spewed out childish taunts and catered to the most primitive of his followers with excuses of why they haven't succeeded (other people's fault of course).
And that Julia cartoon.....in America it would be nice if I didn't have to say more than that but the majority now choose pathetic over free and strong.
You have really got to be some mindless team player to celebrate such a victory - or one of the hate-filled losers in life who don't care that the goal of a free society of Individuals is for the most part dead.
Hold on as "climate change" and "healthcare" policy devour what was left of this great experiment in Liberty and the ultimate REVENGE takes a hold.
Billionaire, self-made man, well respected.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-26/buff...

ďLetís forget about the rich and ultrarich going on strike and stuffing their ample funds under their mattresses if -- gasp -- capital gains rates and ordinary income rates are increased,Ē Buffett wrote.ďOnly in Grover Norquistís imagination does such a response exist.Ē

There is a richer American somewhere, but he believes like Buffet does.

If you actually read the article you might learn something.

BTW: Reagan increased Capital gains from 15% to 28%.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3308 Nov 26, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
I think temporary assistance for those down on their luck and a more permanent type for those who are either physically or mentally unable to be productive citizens is necessary to a civil society.
The question was not whether or not it is necessary, it is whether or not it is socialism.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3309 Nov 26, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
Living primarily off the government is now a lifestyle choice thanks to "rules and regulations".
http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia
Not good.
Dying or living off the government is the choice. Thank good ness we have the programs that allow "life." Certainly all those that are "Pro-Life" support these programs.

The problem is not the jobless. It is the fact that there are not enough jobs and of the jobs that do exist there are too few that allow a person to be self-sufficient.

It is pretty stupid and ignorant to say that a person working picking fruit or vegetables or on a poultry or pig or boeef or egg farm or in a meat packing house are lazy, don't want to work and prefer food stamps as opposed to better pay.

Since: Jul 12

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#3310 Nov 26, 2012
sage won wrote:
wrote:
<quoted text> no chance, I've never been proven wrong.
Hypnotic Phantom wrote:
<quoted text>
No, what it is is that you cannot ACCEPT that you were proven wrong. Big difference.
Sage Won, if you have never been proven wrong you have never learned anything to include grade school.

Your statement is incorrect.

You can argue, but I would ask for copies of every test you took in school.

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#3311 Nov 26, 2012
okb2 wrote:
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It is pretty stupid and ignorant to say that a person working picking fruit or vegetables or on a poultry or pig or beef or egg farm or in a meat packing house are lazy
Agree, but who said people who work are lazy?
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Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#3313 Nov 26, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
Taught us that many people in this nation have become communist.
Exactly.

Everyone knows that Tea Party revolutionaries fear and hate socialism about as much as the Antichrist. Which is funny, because the Tea Party movementís dirty little secret is that it owes its existence to the grandaddy of all Antichrists: the godless empire of the USSR.

What few realize is that the secretive oil billionaires of the Koch family, the main supporters of the right-wing groups that orchestrated the Tea Party movement, would not have the means to bankroll their favorite causes had it not been for the pile of money the family made working for the Bolsheviks in the late 1920s and early 1930s, building refineries, training Communist engineers and laying down the foundation of Soviet oil infrastructure.

Here is a better historical fact, one that the Kochs donít like to repeat in public: the familyís initial wealth was not created by the harsh, creative forces of unfettered capitalism, but by the grace of the centrally-planned economy of the Soviet Union. This deserves repeating: The Koch family, Americaís biggest pushers of the free-market Tea Party revolution, would not be the billionaires they are today were it not for the whim of one of Stalinís comrades.

At the time, the Soviet Unionís oil industry was a total mess. Equipment built by Western engineering firms was always breaking down or didnít work at all. Western engineers were constantly being accused of espionage or sabotage, real or imagined, and booted out of the country. Soviet workers suspected of colluding with the foreigners were simply taken out back and shot. Winkler-Koch made sure they were running a tight, effective operation. Unlike their Western competitors, Koch pleased his Soviet clients by ensuring top quality and helping the cause of socialism.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#3314 Nov 26, 2012
Not Real Sure wrote:
<quoted text>I don't understand you people....everyone has the same opportunities ,,,, make something of your life ..get off the system...my God
Everyone has the same opportunities??? In what world do you live???

Only the rich have opportunities, everyone else is screwed. Why do you think the rich got 100% of the growth of our nation over the past 30 years? Equal opportunity?? You must be insane to believe the lies from the rich.

There is almost no opportunity except for the very rich, with the exception that you might win the lottery. How many can win? 1 out of 200 million? that is the opportunity for the workers, while the rich get guaranteed returns on everything.

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#3315 Nov 26, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
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At the time, the Soviet Unionís oil industry was a total mess. Equipment built by Western engineering firms was always breaking down or didnít work at all. Western engineers were constantly being accused of espionage or sabotage, real or imagined, and booted out of the country.
Plagiarize much?

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#3316 Nov 26, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone has the same opportunities??? In what world do you live???
Only the rich have opportunities, everyone else is screwed. Why do you think the rich got 100% of the growth of our nation over the past 30 years? Equal opportunity?? You must be insane to believe the lies from the rich.
There is almost no opportunity except for the very rich, with the exception that you might win the lottery. How many can win? 1 out of 200 million? that is the opportunity for the workers, while the rich get guaranteed returns on everything.
Wow...who's responsible for your indoctrination?

Anyway, what's your solution (I'm almost afraid to ask)?

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#3317 Nov 26, 2012
okb2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't tell me you azre turning into a "goof-ball" also? You were always one of the more sane Republicans.
On about the same note, on another thread there are some "birthers" telling some "truthers" that they are crazy.
are you saying reparations is good, or bad? I'm not following you....I didn't know there was a goofball category, just birthers and truthers and teabaggers.

actually, I'm thinking of changing teams, I'm tired of losing, I want to join the libs....I'll even start going to starbucks and chopping with a cloth bag, if that will get me in...I sure hate to have to start recycling though, that's too hard

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