What the 2012 election taught us

What the 2012 election taught us

There are 10313 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 6, 2012, titled What the 2012 election taught us. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

We've been scouring the data for clues as to what we should learn from what happened tonight as President Obama relatively easily claimed a second term.

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SWITCH

Betsy Layne, KY

#2961 Nov 23, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
One thing, whites are rabidly, er, rapidly, becoming the minority. Even a little foam around my mouth.
The nations next President will likely be latino.
Black, latino, Asian, will take over Congress in 2014 and 2016.
A new reconstruction era is fiercely underway.
THIS COUNTRY IS FAST GOING TO HELL.THEY BETTER GET FIND SOMEBODY TO PAY THE BILL'S
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Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#2963 Nov 23, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
Source: Harvard Business School
Title: It Came in the First Ships: Capitalism in America
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/0896.html
The Puritans and Quakers came for religious freedom, Virginians came in, an expedition believing they would find what the Spanish found in South America.

Capitalism as a concept would not exist for almost 200 years after the first North American settlement.

Did you go to Harvard? You do understand the Puritans started Harvard about 16 years after getting here, right?

America was a wilderness, this was no civilized community. Lots of Englishmen were sentenced to serve in America. With the Quakers it was banishment they had a choice to go to America or off with their Heads.
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#2964 Nov 23, 2012
gossamer wrote:
<quoted text>
All the weathy in the US couldn't have put Obama back in office. Tell me who else votes for Obama and why?
true, but you have to had noticed the broad coalition of support Obama received compared to the monolithic support of the Republican party?

The diverse make up of the support for Obama reached across income distribution, race, gender, religious affiliation and sexual preference.

The Republican party can't say that.

It's obvious that the reflection of the Obama support more accurately represents America's reality than the coalition that supported the Republican idea and concepts.

Come in, get out of the rain!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2965 Nov 23, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
The Puritans and Quakers came for religious freedom, Virginians came in, an expedition believing they would find what the Spanish found in South America.
Capitalism as a concept would not exist for almost 200 years after the first North American settlement.
Did you go to Harvard? You do understand the Puritans started Harvard about 16 years after getting here, right?
America was a wilderness, this was no civilized community. Lots of Englishmen were sentenced to serve in America. With the Quakers it was banishment they had a choice to go to America or off with their Heads.
besides the fact that Harvard is in greater Boston Massachusetts area and which particularly the Boston area, is also the home of many ultra-liberal professors who adhere to professor values.

http://conservapedia.com/Massachusetts_libera...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2966 Nov 23, 2012
La Santa Muerte wrote:
<quoted text>
Source: Harvard Business School
Title: It Came in the First Ships: Capitalism in America
http://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/0896.html
It's official: Capitalism is a dirty word

Republican pollster Frank Luntz was quite articulate about his conclusions: "Conservatives should not be defending capitalism. They should be defending economic freedom. And there is a difference. The word capitalism was created by Karl Marx to demonize those people who make a profit.

http://peoplesworld.org/it-s-official-capital...

Although he is often described as the "father of capitalism" (and the "father of economics"), Adam Smith himself never used the term "capitalism". Term Capitalism was created by Karl Marxs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_capit...
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“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#2969 Nov 23, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
So what is a living wage?
$30.00 -$50.00 an hour
You leftists are just nuts
I am watching everyday, for the lay off's and closures coming due to your Socialized Medicine policy
I ask you what do you think a living wage is for a workingclass person? I am being serious what do you think would be a good wage for a worker at a factory.??

I mean at Hostess the CEO ahs got a 300% raise all why running the company into the ground.....Yet you blame people who make 35k a year....HOW COME?

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#2970 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
I ask you what do you think a living wage is for a workingclass person? I am being serious what do you think would be a good wage for a worker at a factory.??
I mean at Hostess the CEO ahs got a 300% raise all why running the company into the ground.....Yet you blame people who make 35k a year....HOW COME?
Listen Man, I do not Blame, anyone..get that straight
Business owners have rights to, YOU seem to forget that.
When I pour my heart and soul into a Business that is mine, I have to pay what I deam affordable.

With this Socialized Medicine called "ObamaCare" you will start to see American business closing, simply because they cant afford it, and cant keep their doors open.

My father earned $210.00 every two weeks, and worked a side job where he earned $70.00 a week.
and we made it just fine.

The trouble with you "Todays" people is that you want something for nothing, "Hard work" isnt part of you agenda.
If you dont make it on one job you may have to work 2 jobs.
I did it, everyone in my day did it, whats wrong with you people?
at one time I worked 3) jobs, Because I wanted things.

You people just believe you are entitleld to "Things" rather than working for them.

In todays Obama economy, I feel a living wage if a company can afford it "$13.00" an hr would be a living wage

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#2971 Nov 23, 2012
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Majority of the American electorate....probably because he doesn't lie to them as easily as the republicans.....
Dear Sir

Obama hasnt ever told us the truth.
Mr. Obama voted against the Stafford Act...Please!!!
You are an indoctrinated drone.
Obama wasted billions with his Cronies...Solyndra...research it

Obama sent Billions of American tax dollars over sea's ...research it

Obama has lied and lied and lied...and you just continue spewing garbage on how wonderful this Obama is.

But then again YOU do seek Marxism in our country.

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#2972 Nov 23, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen Man, I do not Blame, anyone..get that straight
Business owners have rights to, YOU seem to forget that.
When I pour my heart and soul into a Business that is mine, I have to pay what I deam affordable.
With this Socialized Medicine called "ObamaCare" you will start to see American business closing, simply because they cant afford it, and cant keep their doors open.
My father earned $210.00 every two weeks, and worked a side job where he earned $70.00 a week.
and we made it just fine.
The trouble with you "Todays" people is that you want something for nothing, "Hard work" isnt part of you agenda.
If you dont make it on one job you may have to work 2 jobs.
I did it, everyone in my day did it, whats wrong with you people?
at one time I worked 3) jobs, Because I wanted things.
You people just believe you are entitleld to "Things" rather than working for them.
In todays Obama economy, I feel a living wage if a company can afford it "$13.00" an hr would be a living wage
So $13 dollars an hour for a worker(that wage is good in a small town where prices are low,in a big city it should be double if not triple)......Ok....Now how much should a CEO make?
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“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#2974 Nov 23, 2012
ToManyLaws wrote:
<quoted text>
So $13 dollars an hour for a worker(that wage is good in a small town where prices are low,in a big city it should be double if not triple)......Ok....Now how much should a CEO make?
since you make up your own answers, how much do you feel they should make?

But now take into consideration, They built that company
Razors Edge

Palos Hills, IL

#2975 Nov 23, 2012
SWITCH wrote:
<quoted text>THIS COUNTRY IS FAST GOING TO HELL.THEY BETTER GET FIND SOMEBODY TO PAY THE BILL'S
sooner or later the percentage of those who work and pay the bills
will not be able to support those who do not?

M.Thatcher..PM UK..

Quote.."Sooner or later,One runs out of other People
money!(Socialism).

And then we are Greece,That Shinging light for a Socialist Program,
Joining all the others that have never been successful?

The European Programs were intended to be for those who worked and paid into Programs to enable health care,SS,Pensions etc..

They became the Targets of third World illegals who broke the whole
system by way of overload..=Those who do not pay in,but draw out =
Bankruptcy etc..

“Waytogo”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#2976 Nov 23, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
since you make up your own answers, how much do you feel they should make?
But now take into consideration, They built that company
A CEO did not build a company. A owner did. I think the pay a worker gets should be balanced as to what a CEO gets. I think a worker should make no less then 10 times less then the CEO...NOT THE OWNER...I am talking a paid employee.

My opinion is that a if a worker makes 35k a year the CEO should make no more then ten times more.....NOW THE OWNER CAN MAKE AS MUCH AS HE WANTS.......Two different things.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#2977 Nov 23, 2012
Razors Edge wrote:
<quoted text>
sooner or later the percentage of those who work and pay the bills
will not be able to support those who do not?
M.Thatcher..PM UK..
Quote.."Sooner or later,One runs out of other People
money!(Socialism).
And then we are Greece,That Shinging light for a Socialist Program,
Joining all the others that have never been successful?
The European Programs were intended to be for those who worked and paid into Programs to enable health care,SS,Pensions etc..
They became the Targets of third World illegals who broke the whole
system by way of overload..=Those who do not pay in,but draw out =
Bankruptcy etc..
No. Welfare is a small percentage of the budget compared to Social Security and Medicare. Old people get 7 times more money from the government than a young person on welfare gets, and young people who are not on welfare don't get much of anything.

The reason SS and SSI combined is costing us $1 trillion per year is because everyone gets it. IN other words, if you have 7-10 percent of the population on welfare, but you have 100 percent of the population able to qualify for Medicare and for SS, this is why the costs are so gigantic. This is why the unfunded liabilities in Medicare is over $100 trillion. Because it goes to 60 million people today and to another 80 million baby boomers now too. So the numbers that are on it is why those programs cost so much. That's why you really need a European style tax to fund those two programs because if you had a national sales tax funding SS and Medicare, everyone would be paying in when they buy things - people on welfare would be paying in, old retired people who don't pay income taxes would be paying in, and everyone would be paying in all of their lives rather than just for 20-40 years while they work, and women who never work and collect SS and Medicare would be paying in. You need at least $4 TRILLION a year in new taxes in order to pay the baby boomers SS and Medicare.

The Tea Party has had the complete wrong argument this entire time. Their position was they want SS and Medicare and all other socialism ended. Problem is SS and Medicare is the number one and number two spending items and the only programs with unfunded liabilities, and they have over $121 trillion in unfunded liabilities. So the real argument was "do we cut SS and Medicare or create a national tax to fund it" not "end all other spending, don't touch SS and Medicare."
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#2978 Nov 23, 2012
This is bull from someone that knows nothing about employee health care cost.....

Employers have the option to pay a $2000 fine in lieu of covering an employee. Paying the fine is cheaper than the cost of supplying health care now.

Someone taking advice from you on company health care expense should poor.

Beside, more than 75% of American Employers are exempt from that portion of the law because they don't have more than 50 employees. Small employers earning a reasonable profit can't afford to lay off employees.

You have never hired, or needed to hire anyone in your life.

Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen Man, I do not Blame, anyone..get that straight
Business owners have rights to, YOU seem to forget that.
When I pour my heart and soul into a Business that is mine, I have to pay what I deam affordable.
With this Socialized Medicine called "ObamaCare" you will start to see American business closing, simply because they cant afford it, and cant keep their doors open.
My father earned $210.00 every two weeks, and worked a side job where he earned $70.00 a week.
and we made it just fine.
The trouble with you "Todays" people is that you want something for nothing, "Hard work" isnt part of you agenda.
If you dont make it on one job you may have to work 2 jobs.
I did it, everyone in my day did it, whats wrong with you people?
at one time I worked 3) jobs, Because I wanted things.
You people just believe you are entitleld to "Things" rather than working for them.
In todays Obama economy, I feel a living wage if a company can afford it "$13.00" an hr would be a living wage

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#2979 Nov 23, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
since you make up your own answersy
That's all you do, spooge breath.

Funny how a parasite like yu can whine so much and so long and still not get up the gumption to leave.

WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Eric Gustafson

Yorktown, VA

#2980 Nov 23, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Sir
Obama hasnt ever told us the truth.
Mr. Obama voted against the Stafford Act...Please!!!
You are an indoctrinated drone.
Obama wasted billions with his Cronies...Solyndra...research it
Obama sent Billions of American tax dollars over sea's ...research it
Obama has lied and lied and lied...and you just continue spewing garbage on how wonderful this Obama is.
But then again YOU do seek Marxism in our country.
Capitalism was a concept introduced by Marxist.

The first use of the word Kapitalist was in 1848 in the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels; however, "kapitalismus," the german word for "capitalism" was not used. The first use of the word capitalism is by novelist Thackeray in 1854, by which he meant ownership of a large amount of capital.

In 1867 Proudhon used the term capitalist to refer to owners of capital, and Marx and Engels refer to the "capitalist form of production" ("kapitalistische Produktionsform") and in Das Kapital to "Kapitalist", "capitalist" (meaning a private owner of capital). By the early 20th century the term had become widespread, as evidenced by Max Weber's use of the term in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism in 1904, and Werner Sombart's 1906 Modern Capitalism

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#2981 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's all you do, spooge breath.
Funny how a parasite like yu can whine so much and so long and still not get up the gumption to leave.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
He is the old, cranky guy...i alway's thought he was....Well, in my day.....well,i oughta.....

“Still dgaf”

Since: Nov 12

Pensacola

#2982 Nov 23, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
That's all you do, spooge breath.
Funny how a parasite like yu can whine so much and so long and still not get up the gumption to leave.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Funny how a shoeless person can even have a valid viewpoint.
Hates Ignorance

Butler, PA

#2983 Nov 23, 2012
ToMany

You make some sense, and are pointing in the right direction. But in most cases the owner didn't "build it" either. He had the concept, and secured the financing to get it of the ground. But in most cases it was his employees, that produced the product/services, and the customer(s) that bought them, that actually BUILT the business. Businesses do NOT "create jobs". They do the hiring, and organize the work, but consumer demand is what actually CREATES them.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#2984 Nov 23, 2012
Eric Gustafson wrote:
<quoted text>
Capitalism was a concept introduced by Marxist.
The first use of the word Kapitalist was in 1848 in the Communist Manifesto by Marx and Engels; however, "kapitalismus," the german word for "capitalism" was not used. The first use of the word capitalism is by novelist Thackeray in 1854, by which he meant ownership of a large amount of capital.
In 1867 Proudhon used the term capitalist to refer to owners of capital, and Marx and Engels refer to the "capitalist form of production" ("kapitalistische Produktionsform") and in Das Kapital to "Kapitalist", "capitalist" (meaning a private owner of capital). By the early 20th century the term had become widespread, as evidenced by Max Weber's use of the term in his The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism in 1904, and Werner Sombart's 1906 Modern Capitalism
alot of people dont realize that Capitalism is Marxist, which is why I laugh when someone uses the term Marxist or calls someone a Marxist. Karl Marxs spent 20 years writing the 4 volumes of Capitalism and is what he spent of his life on it wasnt communism or socialism but Capitalism and his writings are very detailed.

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