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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney tapped Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin as his vice presidential running mate on Saturday, turning to the architect of a conservative and intensely controversial long-term budget plan to remake Medicare and cut trillions in federal spending.
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Pamela

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Aug 12, 2012
 
more pay wrote:
I've saved 12% of every penny I've ever earned. 30 years of 12% to myself. I don't plan on claiming my social security until I am forced to at 72. Why am I forced to?
I think R & R is going to dismantle social security as we know it for all 54 years old or less. I look forward to getting mine and my employer's share to invest my way.
the minute everyone under 55 stops paying into SS and Medicare, SS and Medicare ends on everyone over 55. So Ryan has to lying that he can keep it for everyone over 55 for two reasons. For one, it's pay as you go. The money that goes in this month is paid out this month. So if no one pays in anymore, no one gets paid. And two, the amount promised to those over 55 is $120 TRILLION more than people paid in. Where would they get $120 trillion over 30 years to give out? Divide 120 by 30. So the federal government would have to give out $4 trillion every year for SS and Medicare. Our entire spending on everything is less than $2 trillion. there is no way in hell they can spend $4 trillion a year on SS and Medicare. Ryan is pitting old against young to get the old tea party votes, and then once they get in office they have to end SS and Medicare on everyone. Do the math. If that is not the case, where will they get $4 trillion a year to pay everyone over 55???
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Aug 12, 2012
 
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<quoted text>Perhaps that's because that's not what it was designed for?
What are you talking about? Everyone was promised SS and Medicare. Now the new story is that only some people were promised it?? that is because the government is broke so now it can only promise one age group programs it has promised to everyone for as long as those programs existed. Doesn't that tell that everyone is going to be cut off of those programs by the time the government is saying it is so broke that it can only pay one group of people those programs? If they promised it to everyone and now took back their promises, what is to stop them from taking back their promise to give to the Tea Party? Nothing.

You people criticize me, but I am 55 and yet I am the ONLY one sticking up for young people. I'm the only one who sees this as a country where everyone should be treated fairly. Everyone else is old people who ONLY care about what they can get from the government. Hardly patriotic. What do they have kids for when they don't care to educate them and they don't care one thing that their kids won't get SS and Medicare. They show you how totally selfish people really are which is why it is not important that they exist.

I'm 55 and I am not supposed to want young people to be able to get into community colleges? I'm ONLY supposed to care about what I can get out of the government?? Why can't I care about other people instead of just money for myself?? That's the American way, self, self, self, shop, buy, consume and be miserable. Maybe if people cared about everyone they would be happier.
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Aug 12, 2012
 
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an you cite that with a credible link?
That's not always true, I've lost more than 6 digets in my 401K and am now just recovering. My old man lost more than 7 digets in Bush's last year alone (5 years after he retired).(Hopefully he's recoverting). Having said all that, when one is living pay check to pay check, having to purchase insurance and retirement may be an added burden.
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Again, a credible link would be helpful. I googled it and only got three hits, two blogs an a half true from politifact florida.
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba662

And why is it that the Tea Party pretends they do not know about the $120 trillion of unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare? Because they want that stuff so they ignore the debt.
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#135
Aug 12, 2012
 
It's like a comedy that you have a "tea party" asking for $120 TRILLION in welfare out of social programs and these same people say they hate socialism. And then they expect people to take them seriously. The thing is Ryan knows the tea party is old folks who want SS and Medicare, so he promised it to just them so they will vote for him. It's the same old game, promise people money and then they vote for you, and then the promises always have to get taken back when these programs go bankrupt. Same thing with the state pensions. They promised those people big huge pensions and now that those pensions have come due, the cities are declaring bankruptcy to get out those pension promises. Same old stuff, kick the can down the road and then declare bankrupcy.
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Aug 12, 2012
 
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>There is no point in paying old people big, giant pensions and refusing to educate poor young people because those young people have to pay for those old people's pensions. The old people want to keep slitting young people's throats so they can keep getting big government pensions and big government entitlements. they are cutting off the hand that feeds them. Young people pay into SS and Medicare, pay income taxes, property taxes. You refuse to educate them, you render them unemployable, there won't be any pensions or any SS or any Medicare in a few more years.
I hate to admit, I'm confounded by your opinion here.
First, let's get rid of the social security ponzi scheme myth.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/09/0...
Secondly, the pension problem in California is exactly that, California's problem.
Third, and most importantly, what confounds me the most is that you seem to be advocating for passive euthanasia so that your generation can steal from the "old" people’s generation to fund public education for the poor kids.
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<quoted text>I hate to admit, I'm confounded by your opinion here.
First, let's get rid of the social security ponzi scheme myth.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/09/0...
Secondly, the pension problem in California is exactly that, California's problem.
Third, and most importantly, what confounds me the most is that you seem to be advocating for passive euthanasia so that your generation can steal from the "old" people’s generation to fund public education for the poor kids.
It's not just CA's problem. A lot of states have huge unfunded pension liabilities.

I am not saying to kill old people, I am saying they have ALL the money, let them pay to live retired, get them off of our backs financially and that is exactly what the Republicans are saying. They go on Fox for the last 3 years every single day and talk about how they have to end SS and Medicare. Get a clue. No one in here cares about young people except me. That says it all.
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<quoted text>I am talking about the Tea Party. I know exactly what they are like, how they think, who they are, how they live. I could write a book about it. So when I say "all of you" I mean all of the Tea Party people. They are not mostly old people for no reason. They are old people trying to end all government spending except for SS and Medicar and any government pensions that they would get. Being selfish and greedy is the problem, not my pointing it out.
You have all of these old people thowing young people under the bus. There is no socieity, no working together. It's old wealthy people who want the government health care and the government money and they are throwing their kids and grandkids under the bus for them to be able to get government money.
Have any of you seen ONE old tea party person stand up for social security and medicare for everyone under 55?????????? NOT ONE. This is only about greed for money. They are the problem - greed and selfishness is the problem.
I agree with you about the Hypocrisy of some of the narcissistic older tea partiers. They're trashing government and taxes while they've reaped the best that our government had to offer. Now, when we sorely need reform big time, they're unwilling to share in the sacrifice now that they've got theirs. But, there are many over 55 who dearly need those SS and medicare benefits who are not tea partiers and who have worked hard. There's more to blame for why people are without retirement funds that individual laziness or selfishness. The system hasn't worked and we need reform, but let's not trash the good that's in government.
Not everyone is selfish and wanting to throw younger people under the bus. The media isn't helping by inflaming both sides so all's we get are this angry rants. I don't watch Fox or MSNBC, or any of the talking heads who hyper-vent for ratings, especially Coulter!
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<quoted text>I hate to admit, I'm confounded by your opinion here.
First, let's get rid of the social security ponzi scheme myth.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2011/09/0...
Secondly, the pension problem in California is exactly that, California's problem.
Third, and most importantly, what confounds me the most is that you seem to be advocating for passive euthanasia so that your generation can steal from the "old" people’s generation to fund public education for the poor kids.
Of course it is a Ponzi scheme. Look at the unfunded liabilities. It's on the debt clock -$120 TRILLION in welfare for old people. It's welfare for the middle class. NEWSFLASH: No one is paying the tea party any $120 TRILLION, not ONE trillion, zero trillion. they are going to get ZERO trillion, count on it.
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I would think that people would be happy to die knowing that they supported all of our young people having been able to learn and knowing that our young people will be able to carry this country on in the future. That is a proper legacy to die with, rather than you got ten grand a month in government money retired by denying the young knowledge and opportunities and who cares cause you got to get a second home out of it and you got to buy more stuff from China and more crap that you don't use. This is why people in this country are so unhappy and so mean. It's cause they are so selfish. they are not even happying spending money. They are jealous of anyone who works hard at things. It's not important they used up more water and trees and oil than they ever needed. It's important to care about other people, yet no one does that here anymore. What a mess. Consumerism and entitlements turned Americans into monsters, very unhappy monsters at that.

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#141
Aug 12, 2012
 
heh wrote:
wow did Romney flub his short speech, tongue tied and finished with
Join me in welcoming the next president of the united states, paul ryan
Hate to burst your bubble, meathead. Nobama did the SAME thing. LMAO

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Pamela wrote:
I would think that people would be happy to die knowing that they supported all of our young people having been able to learn and knowing that our young people will be able to carry this country on in the future. That is a proper legacy to die with, rather than you got ten grand a month in government money retired by denying the young knowledge and opportunities and who cares cause you got to get a second home out of it and you got to buy more stuff from China and more crap that you don't use. This is why people in this country are so unhappy and so mean. It's cause they are so selfish. they are not even happying spending money. They are jealous of anyone who works hard at things. It's not important they used up more water and trees and oil than they ever needed. It's important to care about other people, yet no one does that here anymore. What a mess. Consumerism and entitlements turned Americans into monsters, very unhappy monsters at that.
Our young people are going to have to pay for the democrats spendathon for the last 6 years. You 'splain it to them, Lucy.
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I agree with you about the Hypocrisy of some of the narcissistic older tea partiers. They're trashing government and taxes while they've reaped the best that our government had to offer. Now, when we sorely need reform big time, they're unwilling to share in the sacrifice now that they've got theirs. But, there are many over 55 who dearly need those SS and medicare benefits who are not tea partiers and who have worked hard. There's more to blame for why people are without retirement funds that individual laziness or selfishness. The system hasn't worked and we need reform, but let's not trash the good that's in government.
Not everyone is selfish and wanting to throw younger people under the bus. The media isn't helping by inflaming both sides so all's we get are this angry rants. I don't watch Fox or MSNBC, or any of the talking heads who hyper-vent for ratings, especially Coulter!
I agree with a lot of things you said. I too want the truly poor old people to get SS and Medicare and Medicaid. But what I not interested in is those who have the big state pensions or union pensions and VA pensions also drawing down SS and Medicare because what happens is the poor old person who only gets SS they get stuck paying the big sales taxes and other new taxes to pay for those on several pensions because they have to fund the state and local pensions via taxes. I like Ralph Reid's idea to pay dirt poor old people the double SS payments rather than the guy on a big union pension getting the double SS payment cause his wife never worked, so she did not pay in. I don't like to see one retiree getting $10K a month in tax money and another retiree getting $1,200 a month in tax money and being taxed to pay the person who gets a lot more money. I think they need to make those things fair.

And that's the whole thing - the tea party does not want to take any of the cuts but they are the ones who keep saying to cut spending, but they don't want any government spending cuts on themselves.

Yeah, I no longer look at MSNBC or Fox either. I think many people have totally burned out on that stuff. It has run its course. CNBC is pretty good, it's all business point of view so you see what is going on in China, in Europe and you see how the economists live and die by what the Federal Reserve does. It's interesting.
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Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>What are you talking about? Everyone was promised SS and Medicare. Now the new story is that only some people were promised it?? that is because the government is broke so now it can only promise one age group programs it has promised to everyone for as long as those programs existed. Doesn't that tell that everyone is going to be cut off of those programs by the time the government is saying it is so broke that it can only pay one group of people those programs? If they promised it to everyone and now took back their promises, what is to stop them from taking back their promise to give to the Tea Party? Nothing.
You people criticize me, but I am 55 and yet I am the ONLY one sticking up for young people. I'm the only one who sees this as a country where everyone should be treated fairly. Everyone else is old people who ONLY care about what they can get from the government. Hardly patriotic. What do they have kids for when they don't care to educate them and they don't care one thing that their kids won't get SS and Medicare. They show you how totally selfish people really are which is why it is not important that they exist.
I'm 55 and I am not supposed to want young people to be able to get into community colleges? I'm ONLY supposed to care about what I can get out of the government?? Why can't I care about other people instead of just money for myself?? That's the American way, self, self, self, shop, buy, consume and be miserable. Maybe if people cared about everyone they would be happier.
Sure, but everyone wasn't promised it until a certain age, and because we're living longer, it's only logical to raise the age. It's not just some ambigious age, when SS was developed the average life span in the USA was around 50 years of age for men and 63 for women, now it's an average of 78. I'm not criticizing you, I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is either not true, misconstrued, or an emotional rant. You also only seem to be criticizing one section of government spending. It's not just welfare programs that are the problem, they are a problem
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Ron Paul is the only republican presidential real hope
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<quoted text>It's not just CA's problem. A lot of states have huge unfunded pension liabilities.
I am not saying to kill old people, I am saying they have ALL the money, let them pay to live retired, get them off of our backs financially and that is exactly what the Republicans are saying. They go on Fox for the last 3 years every single day and talk about how they have to end SS and Medicare. Get a clue. No one in here cares about young people except me. That says it all.
Sure, those pensions are those state's problems, they do not add to the federal deficit. They have all the money because they've earned all the money. When I started out I was making less than $10K/YR, I ate ramian noodles, I worked hard, I got an education, I paid for school, and now I'm doing much better, that is th progression works. Why should younger people be able to steal from me or from you?
What the republicans are saying is that the middle class has it too good and needs to share in the tax burden, the poor people have too many hand outs and need to share in the tax burden, and the rich is propping up this country and should have their taxes cut, and we need to attack Iran, outlaw abortion, allow insider trading, increase the military, subsidies large corporations, end environmental restrictions on industrial pollution, end financial regulation on financial institutions, end labor rights laws in the USA and support Israel.
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I would think that people would be happy to die knowing that they supported all of our young people having been able to learn and knowing that our young people will be able to carry this country on in the future. That is a proper legacy to die with, rather than you got ten grand a month in government money retired by denying the young knowledge and opportunities and who cares cause you got to get a second home out of it and you got to buy more stuff from China and more crap that you don't use. This is why people in this country are so unhappy and so mean. It's cause they are so selfish. they are not even happying spending money. They are jealous of anyone who works hard at things. It's not important they used up more water and trees and oil than they ever needed. It's important to care about other people, yet no one does that here anymore. What a mess. Consumerism and entitlements turned Americans into monsters, very unhappy monsters at that.
So you are advocating that we actively euthanize everyone over a certain age? What about welfare babies, should we euthanize them, too? I'm guessing you're pro-forced-abortion?
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<quoted text>Sure, but everyone wasn't promised it until a certain age, and because we're living longer, it's only logical to raise the age. It's not just some ambigious age, when SS was developed the average life span in the USA was around 50 years of age for men and 63 for women, now it's an average of 78. I'm not criticizing you, I'm just pointing out that what you're saying is either not true, misconstrued, or an emotional rant. You also only seem to be criticizing one section of government spending. It's not just welfare programs that are the problem, they are a problem
the reason all the Republicans talks about dealing with SS and Medicare is because they are the drivers of the debt, they are the ONLY programs on Earth that have $120 TRILLION dollars of unfunded liabilities, they are the two largest spending items on the federal budget, they are scheduled to use up the entire federal budget in 5 more years. So yes, this is the problem and this is where the money is going.

I do not want to be insulted by some made up tea party that is only out to get $120 trillion out of the government in socialist programs and have those dumbed down nuts going on and on and on about how they hate socialism and how they hate the takers. This is the most insane crap anyone has ever heard of.

I'm sick to death of you insulting me. I'm out of here. I'm the kind one, as always, and all of these self-centered mean people attack me, not the other selfish people, as always. You people only think about yourselves and about being mean. It's a total loser, it's draining and depressing. No wonder Americans are so unhappy.

It is going to take ending SS, ending Medicare and ending welfare to make Americans human again instead of selfish. That's another reason why they need to end those things, so people will stop being so selfish and stop only thinking about spending money. This is no civilization, there's no society here. This is a free for all of hording money and buying stuff and being mean to people because they are not happy spending money. I'm out of here. I wish I could get out of this country. I don't want to live around this stuff anymore.
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Ron Paul is the only republican presidential real hope
Unfortunately, he won't win the nomination. Gary Johnson, the people's president (libertarian party) will be on all ballots in all 50 states.
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<quoted text>Sure, those pensions are those state's problems, they do not add to the federal deficit. They have all the money because they've earned all the money. When I started out I was making less than $10K/YR, I ate ramian noodles, I worked hard, I got an education, I paid for school, and now I'm doing much better, that is th progression works. Why should younger people be able to steal from me or from you?
What the republicans are saying is that the middle class has it too good and needs to share in the tax burden, the poor people have too many hand outs and need to share in the tax burden, and the rich is propping up this country and should have their taxes cut, and we need to attack Iran, outlaw abortion, allow insider trading, increase the military, subsidies large corporations, end environmental restrictions on industrial pollution, end financial regulation on financial institutions, end labor rights laws in the USA and support Israel.
Obama ran up $1 trillion a year to prop up the bankrupt state pensions, so yes, we are all paying for it and yes paying out state pensions is running up federal debt. My neighbor here is on big state pension and she said that Obama has to run up $1 trillion of debt every year to pay her because she has a contract. She could give one crap about anyone other than herself. And then she's miserably unhappy just sitting there spending money she didn't earn. That's her only life. Then she tries to give the stuff she buys away to people cause she doesn't even use it. And dirt poor people are being taxed to pay for this crap.
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<quoted text>So you are advocating that we actively euthanize everyone over a certain age? What about welfare babies, should we euthanize them, too? I'm guessing you're pro-forced-abortion?
End welfare and they would stop having kids. End SS and Medicare and the tea party will go away. Let them take out reverse mortgages, let them live on their union pensions, state, local, federal And VA pensions. They don't need the money. Retirees are the ONLY group that is doing well in this country and it is almost all tax money. They are bankrupting us. Let everyone pay their own way, only have as many kids as they can afford to have.

I was very nice to you, now you harm me over ten separate times, so this is making me ill. I'm out. I an not into being abused. you are not dealing with anything real, you are just into harming me. I'm out of here.

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