Obamacare set to launch, shutdown or not

There are 20 comments on the The Washington Post story from Sep 30, 2013, titled Obamacare set to launch, shutdown or not. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Memphis Mayor A C Wharton encourages residents of his city to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during a rally Monday.

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CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#348 Oct 18, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>Gosh thanks for the unsolicited advice, bCOW. I checked into ACA and it's the same as Humana. Low monthly payments but huge deductibles. I'll stick with the crooks at Humana and if any of us needs serious care, we'll go to Canada or Europe and pay 1/10th the price. Unlike you, I'm not dumb enough to lose my house c/o insurance companies and hospitals who are all modern day criminals and are slowly bankrupting this country.
Enjoy your idiocy and chewing your cud.
In that rant, why didn't you focus on the fact that Obamacare didn't even touch on the very problems you stated? I don't get you, you acknowledge that the ACA is flawed and that the real problem in healthcare is unaffordability, something that Odumbo and his minions didn't resolve. Why not be partisan about this? Or can't you be? It's okay to admit that Odumbo's signature legacy of reform is a failure.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#349 Oct 18, 2013
Get ready to be blindsided by a barrage of new taxes.$1 trillion worth...

They'll be coming courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare.

And they won't just be affecting those who make over $250,000. The bulk of these taxes will be passed on directly to the middle class.

That's because while a majority of these "stealth taxes" were designed to be taxes on businesses, they're actually transferred directly to ordinary citizens.

They include the investment income surtax, a Medicare payroll tax, even a "tanning tax" on those who utilize indoor tanning services.

"Many of those [hidden] taxes, especially those on hospitals, insurers and medical device manufacturers, will ultimately be passed on through higher health costs," said Michael Tanner an expert on the healthcare law.

In fact, analysts estimate Obamacare will cost the average taxpayer nearly $6,000 in extra taxes as early as next year.

Many of the Obamacare taxes are already in effect, others will hit January 1. But they are already infuriating millions of Americans.

While even Obamacare detractors applaud the requirement that insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions and put a stop to lifetime caps on benefits, they say these laudable benefits don't compensate for the bills high cost - especially in new taxes.

According to most experts, Obamacare will create a total of twenty new taxes or tax hikes on the American people.

In fact, the Obama administration has already given the IRS an extra $500 million to enforce the rules and regulations of Obamacare.

The new taxes don't bode well for millions of middle-class Americans. Incomes for the rich have soared this decade but middle class workers have seen their wages stagnate and even drop since the 2008 Great Recession.

Many fear Obamacare with its high insurance costs and new taxes, could provide the middle class a fatal blow.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#350 Oct 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
Get ready to be blindsided by a barrage of new taxes.$1 trillion worth...
They'll be coming courtesy of the Affordable Care Act, otherwise known as Obamacare.
And they won't just be affecting those who make over $250,000. The bulk of these taxes will be passed on directly to the middle class.
That's because while a majority of these "stealth taxes" were designed to be taxes on businesses, they're actually transferred directly to ordinary citizens.
They include the investment income surtax, a Medicare payroll tax, even a "tanning tax" on those who utilize indoor tanning services.
"Many of those [hidden] taxes, especially those on hospitals, insurers and medical device manufacturers, will ultimately be passed on through higher health costs," said Michael Tanner an expert on the healthcare law.
In fact, analysts estimate Obamacare will cost the average taxpayer nearly $6,000 in extra taxes as early as next year.
Many of the Obamacare taxes are already in effect, others will hit January 1. But they are already infuriating millions of Americans.
While even Obamacare detractors applaud the requirement that insurance companies cover pre-existing conditions and put a stop to lifetime caps on benefits, they say these laudable benefits don't compensate for the bills high cost - especially in new taxes.
According to most experts, Obamacare will create a total of twenty new taxes or tax hikes on the American people.
In fact, the Obama administration has already given the IRS an extra $500 million to enforce the rules and regulations of Obamacare.
The new taxes don't bode well for millions of middle-class Americans. Incomes for the rich have soared this decade but middle class workers have seen their wages stagnate and even drop since the 2008 Great Recession.
Many fear Obamacare with its high insurance costs and new taxes, could provide the middle class a fatal blow.
Are you done copying and pasting the complete WorldNutDaily.com website?
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#351 Oct 18, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Are you done copying and pasting the complete WorldNutDaily.com website?
Nope, so long as I agree with what is written. Maybe if you would open your mind, you would be a little less shallow.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#352 Oct 18, 2013
With Washington’s bitter fight over federal spending now on hiatus for three months, Americans with a high tolerance for chaos and incompetence can focus on October’s other big news: Obamacare’s awful first few weeks.

In 2009 and 2010, President Barack Obama offered incessant promises that the arrival of the Affordable Care Act would mean savings for just about everyone and that everyone would be able to keep their doctors. Just last month, he told the Spanish-language network Telemundo that critics of his signature law were simply “wrong,” and that Americans would quickly develop an appreciation of its wonders after implementation began Oct. 1.

If the president made any of these claims now, he would be laughed off the stage.

The portal to sign up for insurance at healthcare.gov , set up at a cost of at least $400 million, is so flawed that newspapers around America often had to hunt for days to find people in their home states who had successfully signed up — even though it had 14 million page visits. Initial Obamacare implementation was akin to a “colossal, expensive failure that projects a 1970s-era DMV experience into cyberspace,” wrote Reason.com editor Nick Gillespie.

A devastating New York Times analysis found the problems were so deep-rooted that it was wrong to call them “glitches.” For example, to avoid the “sticker shock” the president said would never occur, the healthcare.gov portal was designed to delay telling potential enrollees how much their policies would cost until they had entered considerable personal information to determine their eligibility for subsidies. But programs to evaluate subsidy eligibility were so poorly written that applicants never could learn if they would qualify and thus never reached the point where they could see premium costs.

Meanwhile, here in California, users of the state-operated online health insurance exchange reported deep frustration in trying to find out which policies would allow them to keep their doctors — the other key promise from the president.

Is this just a “glitch”? Or another example of trying to make sure Obamacare began without reminders that its passage was built on lies?

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#353 Oct 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
With Washington’s bitter fight over federal spending now on hiatus for three months, Americans with a high tolerance for chaos and incompetence can focus on October’s other big news: Obamacare’s awful first few weeks.
In 2009 and 2010, President Barack Obama offered incessant promises that the arrival of the Affordable Care Act would mean savings for just about everyone and that everyone would be able to keep their doctors. Just last month, he told the Spanish-language network Telemundo that critics of his signature law were simply “wrong,” and that Americans would quickly develop an appreciation of its wonders after implementation began Oct. 1.
If the president made any of these claims now, he would be laughed off the stage.
The portal to sign up for insurance at healthcare.gov , set up at a cost of at least $400 million, is so flawed that newspapers around America often had to hunt for days to find people in their home states who had successfully signed up — even though it had 14 million page visits. Initial Obamacare implementation was akin to a “colossal, expensive failure that projects a 1970s-era DMV experience into cyberspace,” wrote Reason.com editor Nick Gillespie.
A devastating New York Times analysis found the problems were so deep-rooted that it was wrong to call them “glitches.” For example, to avoid the “sticker shock” the president said would never occur, the healthcare.gov portal was designed to delay telling potential enrollees how much their policies would cost until they had entered considerable personal information to determine their eligibility for subsidies. But programs to evaluate subsidy eligibility were so poorly written that applicants never could learn if they would qualify and thus never reached the point where they could see premium costs.
Meanwhile, here in California, users of the state-operated online health insurance exchange reported deep frustration in trying to find out which policies would allow them to keep their doctors — the other key promise from the president.
Is this just a “glitch”? Or another example of trying to make sure Obamacare began without reminders that its passage was built on lies?
Are you done copying and pasting the complete WorldNutDaily.com website?
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#354 Oct 18, 2013
Obamacare lies and deceptions..

Deception #1: universal coverage

Deception #2: no new taxes on the middle class

Deception #3: annual premium savings of $2,500

Deception #4: no increase in the deficit

Deception #5: you can keep your plan if you like it

These “deceptions” are blatant falsehoods. In their own way, the willfulness and magnitude of the falsehoods with which Obama sold Obamacare are shocking.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#355 Oct 18, 2013
Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.

The cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them.

“I don’t feel like I need to change, but I have to,” said Jeff Learned, a television editor in Los Angeles, who must find a new plan for his teenage daughter, who has a health condition that has required multiple surgeries.

An estimated 14 million people purchase their own coverage because they don’t get it through their jobs. Calls to insurers in several states showed that many have sent notices.

Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.

Some policies targeted
Both Independence and Highmark are canceling so-called “guaranteed issue” policies, which had been sold to customers who had pre-existing medical conditions when they signed up. Policyholders with regular policies because they did not have health problems will be given an option to extend their coverage through next year.

Consumer advocates say such cancellations raise concerns that companies may be targeting their most costly enrollees.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#356 Oct 18, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Are you done copying and pasting the complete WorldNutDaily.com website?
Yep, it's a full moon. I figured all you children would be howling.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#357 Oct 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
Health plans are sending hundreds of thousands of cancellation letters to people who buy their own coverage, frustrating some consumers who want to keep what they have and forcing others to buy more costly policies.
The cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them.
“I don’t feel like I need to change, but I have to,” said Jeff Learned, a television editor in Los Angeles, who must find a new plan for his teenage daughter, who has a health condition that has required multiple surgeries.
An estimated 14 million people purchase their own coverage because they don’t get it through their jobs. Calls to insurers in several states showed that many have sent notices.
Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.
Some policies targeted
Both Independence and Highmark are canceling so-called “guaranteed issue” policies, which had been sold to customers who had pre-existing medical conditions when they signed up. Policyholders with regular policies because they did not have health problems will be given an option to extend their coverage through next year.
Consumer advocates say such cancellations raise concerns that companies may be targeting their most costly enrollees.
Are you done copying and pasting the complete WorldNutDaily.com website?

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#358 Oct 19, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Are you done copying and pasting the complete WorldNutDaily.com website?
Are you done trying to use Rules For radicals on every post.

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#359 Oct 19, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
Reminds you too much of your copy and paste ploy?

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#360 Oct 19, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
List the fake news from the number one network 11 years in a row. You know nitwit that you are calling millions of watchers stupid don't you. So much from the liberal platform.
Millions. lol. Big whoop! Add ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN International, MSNBC together and they all crush FOX, oh and world wide, I think something like 2 billion people watch CNN International. The rest of the world doesn't watch FOX in case you hadn't noticed and why is it that world leaders don't appear on FOX but they do appear on other networks? Are you going to call world leaders part of the Jew-controlled MSM? lmao

I personally don't watch CNN or FOX, Le Jimcrow. I catch the political shows on Sunday morning and I watch Morning Joe M-F. That's about all I can take but I do get a kick out of The Daily Show, Colbert and SNL.

But you just hold on to the fact that a lot of American idiots like FOX because it does all their thinking and hating for them but to the rest of America and the world, it's a joke, like you.

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#361 Oct 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
In that rant, why didn't you focus on the fact that Obamacare didn't even touch on the very problems you stated? I don't get you, you acknowledge that the ACA is flawed and that the real problem in healthcare is unaffordability, something that Odumbo and his minions didn't resolve. Why not be partisan about this? Or can't you be? It's okay to admit that Odumbo's signature legacy of reform is a failure.
The roll out sucked.
They blew it but what have republicans or teatards done?
Crickets

Currently, Americans enjoy:
Obesity-record # of Americans are 33lbs overweight or morbidly obese
Diabetes-highest # of recorded cases
Heart Disease-"
Juvenile Diabetes-"
Cancer-"
(psst, the last four listed are often a result of poor eating habits, smoking and obesity).

We are the fattest, most unhealthy country in the world and as our incomes decline, our insurance rates and hospital bills go through the roof.

The republicans solution to stem the tide of inflated medical care that has already bankrupted 65% of American households ?

Nothing. Crickets. 0. Nada. Zilch.

Great plan. In the meant time, 3rd world countries have better and cheaper healthcare than the so-called Greatest country in the world. We certainly are not #1 in education or medical care but we are the #1 fatasses of the world! Yay!

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#362 Oct 19, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>Millions. lol. Big whoop! Add ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN International, MSNBC together and they all crush FOX, oh and world wide, I think something like 2 billion people watch CNN International. The rest of the world doesn't watch FOX in case you hadn't noticed and why is it that world leaders don't appear on FOX but they do appear on other networks? Are you going to call world leaders part of the Jew-controlled MSM? lmao

I personally don't watch CNN or FOX, Le Jimcrow. I catch the political shows on Sunday morning and I watch Morning Joe M-F. That's about all I can take but I do get a kick out of The Daily Show, Colbert and SNL.

But you just hold on to the fact that a lot of American idiots like FOX because it does all their thinking and hating for them but to the rest of America and the world, it's a joke, like you.
Well duhhhhhh did you think Obama would make a small propaganda network.
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“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#364 Oct 19, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
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Well duhhhhhh did you think Obama would make a small propaganda network.
Yes, 30 years ago, 20 year old Barack Obama called Ted Turner and said "Ted, I need you to start a Cable News Network because in 2008 I'm going to be elected President of the US and I am going to need a propaganda network. Umkay?"

Can you believe the foresight of our President? It's like destiny, Le Jimcrow!

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#365 Oct 19, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
Killing four people is worth deionizing.
Terrorists killed the 4 people in the Benghazi Embassy. Weird how you don't demonize them but choose to demonize President Obama and Hillary Clinton?

So weird how you people show your love of America by lifting up terrorists who actually murdered those Americans and blaming your own Commander in Chief. What a joke y'all are Le Jimcrow. Your stupidity is astounding and your loyalty to Al Qaeda is mind numbing.

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#366 Oct 19, 2013
Bush let 3,000 Americans die on 9/11 and sent 6,000 U.S. soldiers to their deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan but according to teapublicans, President Obama is the devil for what happened to 4 Americans in Benghazi.

Good thing they have their priorities in order.
SGT Rock101

Gretna, LA

#367 Oct 19, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>it don't work and I know people who live in Massachusetts.
It does work and I know people in Mass, too.
Cat74

Schaumburg, IL

#368 Oct 19, 2013
Those people in Benghazi didn't have to die if the President had done the right thing, and ordered security for an Ambassador, and the others. That is the difference. Oh, but what difference does it make now anyway. We will see what difference it makes in 2016 when the former Secretary of State runs for President, and her credibility is questioned.

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