3 Arizona Republican Senators Urge Ve...

3 Arizona Republican Senators Urge Veto of Bill

There are 112 comments on the EDGE story from Feb 24, 2014, titled 3 Arizona Republican Senators Urge Veto of Bill. In it, EDGE reports that:

Three Republican Arizona state senators who voted for a bill allowing business owners with strongly held religious beliefs to refuse service to gays sent a letter to Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday urging her to veto the legislation.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#131 Mar 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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I could care less what church you're a member of or what your sexual preference is. The problem I have is that common sense got thrown out the window somewhere in our recent history and all of a sudden, you're forced to provide services to someone who is deeply offending you strictly for the purpose of provocation.
I'd love to see some kind of provision that gives business owners discretion if it can be construed that the customer's request is "reasonably offensive", be the owner a gay photographer or a deeply religious, straight baker. In either instance, word would get out regarding the owner's beliefs and the chips would fall where they may.
There already ARE laws which allow business owners the discretion to refuse a customer whose request is "reasonably offensive".

But that's different than discriminating against an entire class of people just because you're offended by their existence.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#132 Mar 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
I could care less what church you're a member of or what your sexual preference is.
Okay.
Sneaky Pete wrote:
The problem I have is that common sense got thrown out the window somewhere in our recent history and all of a sudden, you're forced to provide services to someone who is deeply offending you strictly for the purpose of provocation.
Suddenly, Gracie? The Civil Rights Act is fifty years-old, many state and local laws are even older than that. It isn't our fault that some clowns have gotten it in their little heads recently that their God gives them some sort of right to engage in otherwise illegal activity.
Sneaky Pete wrote:
I'd love to see some kind of provision that gives business owners discretion if it can be construed that the customer's request is "reasonably offensive", be the owner a gay photographer or a deeply religious, straight baker. In either instance, word would get out regarding the owner's beliefs and the chips would fall where they may.
If you don't want to abide by whatever laws which regulate how you conduct business, you don't have to be in business. It really is that simple. Unlike the Bible and other holy books, legal statutes don't give the option of picking and choosing which admonitions you are going to go along with.
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“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#134 Mar 3, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
But that's different than discriminating against an entire class of people just because you're offended by their existence.
That's not what I'm advocating. It's not "reasonable" to refuse service to someone just if you suspect he is homosexual. A gay coming to a photographer and requesting camera services for a relative's high school graduation is something far different than that same gay guy demanding the photographer participate in a homosexual "wedding" ceremony.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#135 Mar 3, 2014
By that same rationale, I would expect it "reasonable" that a gay photographer could refuse services to take pics at a "Queeers are the Scum of the Earth Festival".
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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#137 Mar 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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That's not what I'm advocating. It's not "reasonable" to refuse service to someone just if you suspect he is homosexual. A gay coming to a photographer and requesting camera services for a relative's high school graduation is something far different than that same gay guy demanding the photographer participate in a homosexual "wedding" ceremony.
So the photographer is required to be the best man or bride's maid?

They are taking pictures OF the ceremony; they're not participating in the ceremony.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#138 Mar 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
By that same rationale, I would expect it "reasonable" that a gay photographer could refuse services to take pics at a "Queeers are the Scum of the Earth Festival".
You'd be right, it would indeed be reasonable for a gay photographer to refuse to provide such services.

“Come and get it! ”

Since: Jan 09

Traverse City

#139 Mar 3, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You'd be right, it would indeed be reasonable for a gay photographer to refuse to provide such services.
As would a baker refusing to make a homosexual wedding cake.
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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#141 Mar 3, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
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As would a baker refusing to make a homosexual wedding cake.
Nope, not the same at all.

Btw, what's a "homosexual" wedding cake, and how is that different from a "heterosexual" wedding cake? Does it utilize "homosexual" eggs & flour? Is it baked in a "homosexual" oven?
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Eleanor

Vernon Hills, IL

#143 Mar 3, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, not the same at all.
Btw, what's a "homosexual" wedding cake, and how is that different from a "heterosexual" wedding cake? Does it utilize "homosexual" eggs & flour? Is it baked in a "homosexual" oven?
<LOL> A homosexual wedding cake has a statue of two chicks embracing, placed on the top of the cake.

Straight guys can't be depended on to get the job done quickly; they are too busy in the 'rest-room' taking care of another job.

<LOL>
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tedt

Clinton, MD

#145 Mar 4, 2014
To include
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“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#147 Mar 6, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
Except that up until a few decades ago Homosexuality was classified as a mental problem. Heterosexuality has never been deemed a mental problem. That I what makes the behavior different.
You know what's mental? When you know better, you do better and most of this country knows that old scientific data is completely worthless, much like the republican party. You are the reason your party is no longer valid.

Oh, and in case you haven't heard, scientists were wrong about the earth. Turns out it's not flat.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#148 Mar 6, 2014
Sneaky Pete wrote:
That's not what I'm advocating. It's not "reasonable" to refuse service to someone just if you suspect he is homosexual. A gay coming to a photographer and requesting camera services for a relative's high school graduation is something far different than that same gay guy demanding the photographer participate in a homosexual "wedding" ceremony.
But what if that gay is married and it is their child who is graduating high school, couldn't that too be construed as participating in a homosexual wedding? Their deeply held religious beliefs against same sex weddings and/or homosexuals in general, should not be made our problem. Just as deeply held religious beliefs about race, religion, sex etc are not the problems of those on the wrong side of them. The public square should be free of that sort of religious bigotry and discrimination. You get to do it in your home and your place of worship, but the public is open to everybody.

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