Catholic bishops conflicted over gays, immigration

Feb 6, 2013 Full story: SanLuisObispo.com 26

The nation's Roman Catholic bishops are in a difficult position as the debate over immigration reform gets underway: The immigrant-built American church, known for advocating a broad welcome for migrants and refugees, could end up opposing reform because it would recognize same-sex partners.

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disgusted american

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Feb 6, 2013
they need to Butt the F out

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#2 Feb 6, 2013
As usual, the RCC looks for fights and then adopts a position of intransigence.

Supposedly, RCC has compassion for same-sex couples, so why should they oppose couples being allowed to stay together in the country? What is it to them if the couples are not Roman Catholic, anyway?

At the end of the day, they are throwing a public temper tantrum instead of supporting something far greater than whatever imagined harm may be entailed.

They did the same with Obamacare, using the excuse that government money might pay for services at institutions that play some tangential in abortion. Nevermind that, as the price of some conservadem votes, Obamacare has made it even clearer that no taxpayer money should be used for abortion no how now way.

They've thrown the vulnerable under the bus of extreme, obsessive orthodoxy.

Since: Aug 11

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#3 Feb 6, 2013
i think mahoney exposed himself and that church as what it is and the two reasons for their want for illegal aliens,one it gives the perverted priest a victim not likely to turn them in and it fills the collection plate from anchor babies welfare checks.

looking to los angeles ca alone is enough to make to folks rich off welfare.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#4 Feb 6, 2013
People are crazy for wanting to lead the "Catholic lifestyle".

Since: Mar 09

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#5 Feb 6, 2013
They WANT the immigrants, usually Latino Catholics of the old, subserviant stripe, in order to swell their voter and social powerbase down the line.

They DO NOT WANT those immigrants to be gay, nor to support gay Equality.

Next year, Latino will be the largest ethnicity in California. In the mind of the RCC this means more Catholics, so more power and influence for them.

The RCC likes to BREED their culture warriors. Once they have acquired the position of power, the RCC doesn't give a damn about their shocktroops. Just take even a casual look at almost every country where Roman Catholicism is the dominant religious sect.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#6 Feb 7, 2013
The Catholic church is a tax-exempt organization (much to my chagrin), and should have no say in secular decisions. If they want to influence legislation, then they should give up their damn tax-exemption. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#7 Feb 7, 2013
snyper wrote:
They WANT the immigrants, usually Latino Catholics of the old, subserviant stripe, in order to swell their voter and social powerbase down the line.
They DO NOT WANT those immigrants to be gay, nor to support gay Equality.
Next year, Latino will be the largest ethnicity in California. In the mind of the RCC this means more Catholics, so more power and influence for them.
The RCC likes to BREED their culture warriors. Once they have acquired the position of power, the RCC doesn't give a damn about their shocktroops. Just take even a casual look at almost every country where Roman Catholicism is the dominant religious sect.
All Religions strive for that. Lets not pretend that your little cookie cutter religion doesn't share the same power grabbing ideology.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#8 Feb 7, 2013
RalphB wrote:
The Catholic church is a tax-exempt organization (much to my chagrin), and should have no say in secular decisions. If they want to influence legislation, then they should give up their damn tax-exemption. Otherwise, shut the hell up.
Being tax exempt doesn't null & void their 1st amendment rights. Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it.

Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York 397 U.S. 664 (1970) 397 U.S. 664 (1970)

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#9 Feb 7, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
People are crazy for wanting to lead the "Catholic lifestyle".
It's no more crazy than how you live your own bigoted lifestyle.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#10 Feb 7, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
All Religions strive for that. Lets not pretend that your little cookie cutter religion doesn't share the same power grabbing ideology.
I don't belong to a "cookie cutter religion". lol Quite a few religious sects don't "strive for that". Some don't even vote! My sect doesn't proselytize. While we are international, most people don't even know that we exist.

So, munchkin, you couldn't be further off the mark.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#11 Feb 7, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
Being tax exempt doesn't null & void their 1st amendment rights. Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it.
Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York 397 U.S. 664 (1970) 397 U.S. 664 (1970)
Did I call for the anywone to abridge their free speech rights? If so where?

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#12 Feb 7, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
Being tax exempt doesn't null & void their 1st amendment rights. Churches are tax exempt under the principle that there is no surer way to destroy the free exercise of religion than to tax it.
Walz v. Tax Commission of the City of New York 397 U.S. 664 (1970) 397 U.S. 664 (1970)
And by the way, I couldn't care less if they were to go the way of the Dodo. I just believe they should be taxed for the community services they do not now pay for.
sickofit

Blooming Prairie, MN

#13 Feb 7, 2013
I think religion should stay in the church and each religous persons private home...KEEP IT OUT OF LAW AND RULES AND BANS AND GOVERNMENT LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS.
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“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#15 Feb 7, 2013
sickofit wrote:
I think religion should stay in the church and each religous persons private home...KEEP IT OUT OF LAW AND RULES AND BANS AND GOVERNMENT LIKE OUR CONSTITUTION SAYS.
THANK you. The founders knew what they were doing. Let's hope the rest of the country realizes it.
sickofit

Blooming Prairie, MN

#16 Feb 7, 2013
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>THANK you. The founders knew what they were doing. Let's hope the rest of the country realizes it.
Religous far right thinks 1st amendmendt means people are free to be forced to follow christians ways.....They dont get all people can be any religion they want and dont have to follow other religions.....
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#17 Feb 7, 2013
What I find interesting is the fact that most Latinos are Catholic which means they should oppose abortion and homosexuality based on their "religious convictions", yet they are willing to support those two “sins” by voting for the pro-choice and pro-gay Democratic Party, if they can get amnesty for the sins of the millions of illegal Latinos in the country.
If amnesty is passed will they start to vote Republican as their religious beliefs say they should?
Personally I support gay marrage and pro-choice but since niether of those issues affects my or my children's future I vote in support of enforcing immigration laws because it does.
ronnie

Brigham City, UT

#18 Feb 7, 2013
What I find interesting, the religious organizations get taken advantage of by illegals everyday. In Utah, the dominant religion is Mormon and we do have a huge Catholic affiliation as well. But illegals in mexico will get sponsored by the Mormon Church, get help coming here to be active member's then as soon as they get housing, job's, food (church welfare), They leave the religion and get lost in the United States. It's been a travesty by so Many religions and Cultures. They take advantage of everyone they come into contact with. The Scouting debacle allowing gay's has pushed huge buttons in Utah. All Scouting programs in Utah are run by Faith based organizations. They and Catholic leaders and Priests are losing there minds over this one. Allowing gay illegals is even worse to the faith based Church's.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#19 Feb 7, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
What I find interesting is the fact that most Latinos are Catholic which means they should oppose abortion and homosexuality based on their "religious convictions", yet they are willing to support those two “sins” by voting for the pro-choice and pro-gay Democratic Party, if they can get amnesty for the sins of the millions of illegal Latinos in the country.
If amnesty is passed will they start to vote Republican as their religious beliefs say they should?
Personally I support gay marrage and pro-choice but since niether of those issues affects my or my children's future I vote in support of enforcing immigration laws because it does.
Familiarity breeds contempt, and that's what most Roman Catholics hold for the RCC hierarchy's policies. Spain, Brazil, and now France are among the Catholic countries that support marriage equality.

The Pope has more influence in the USA than in Italy. We seem to be infected with some strange infatuation with authoritarian figures in this country.
Magadala

Vashon, WA

#20 Feb 7, 2013
Tee hee! The good ole catholic bishops have been hiding behind supporting illegal immigration in order to distract from their enormous pedophile issues...so transparent!

Question: Why is it that we hear of the catholic priest pedophilia all over the world EXCEPT mexico!!! Why?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#21 Feb 7, 2013
Magadala wrote:
Tee hee! The good ole catholic bishops have been hiding behind supporting illegal immigration in order to distract from their enormous pedophile issues...so transparent!
Question: Why is it that we hear of the catholic priest pedophilia all over the world EXCEPT mexico!!! Why?
ha! maybe mahoney will answer, those things seem to go hand and hand,look at the illegal alien supporting senator who had an illegal alien sex offender intern. maybe better checks on the supporters of illegal aliens is in order.

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