Mormon Church Launches Website On 'Same-Sex Attraction'

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The Mormon Church has a new website to clarify its position on "same-sex attraction" and to reach out to all of its members, including gays and lesbians, "with love and understanding." The launching of mormonsandgays.org follows persistent criticism of Mormon involvement in California's ballot measure banning gay marriage, NPR's Howard Berkes ... (more)

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#227 Dec 26, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, COWARD, I see you are AFRAID to come back with one of your smart ass responses, you ADMIT that Jesus didn't give a HOLY crap about gay sex, thus ignored it. FINALLY you are admitting, by your silence that I am right and you were wrong. THANK YOU! What a pleasure it is when I catch one of you in something you cannot prove.
Some who like to think of themselves as Christians are hopelessly devoted to spreading suffering and death in the name of Jesus, ignoring the fact Jesus never said a word against gay people, while we know he was aware of born eunuchs and other same sex relationships. It it was so important, you'd think He would have repeated it many times, like He did the admonition to love each other as He loves us.

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it:'Love your neighbor as yourself. The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."
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#229 Dec 27, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> Why do you lie about Jesus?
I don't.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> Do you disagree with John 1:1, which states Jesus is THE WORD?
Yes. The anthropomorphization of the Greek "logos" is a construct of Philo of Alexandria, in line with the hellenized anthropomorphization of "holy wisdom". "John" is a pseudeponymous gentile work.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> Do you disagree with the Christian Bible which says all Scripture is God breathed?
Only one verse from a disputed source, AND how you interpret it to support your Biblicist heresy.(Still waiting for that Koine word that refers to religious writing as opposed to just any writing)
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> Do you disagree with the Christian Bible which repeatedly says all homosexual behavior is VERY serious sin?
Saul was a delusional fraud. Why should anyone listen to him?
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> Just what is your source of information about the Jesus you speak of if it differs with Scripture?
You've been told before. You've just chosen to ignore it.

Obviously YOUR only source is a collection of writings, most of which are psedeponymous and/or pseudepigraphic.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> You aren't making any sense!
You do not know where I come from, nor where I am going.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> You worship homosexual perversion, not Jesus!!!
Yeshua is NOT to be "worshipped". His message is to be heard and followed.

"worship homosexual perversion" ?!?! A ridiculous assertion.
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text> You live in open rebellion against His many Commands against all homosexual behavior and try to lead others to hell with you.
Naw. I just reject leviticalism, and YOUR phariseeism.

btw: Your boiling inner rage will shorten your life.
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Palm Springs, California

#231 Dec 27, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently you are aggravated because you can't make a logical point. Your bigoted anti-Christian nonsense is completely irrelevant. Christians accept the entire Bible as God-breathed. 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,"
John 1:1 teaches us that Jesus is THE WORD and THE WORD says:
Leviticus 18:22 - You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 - If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their blood guiltiness is upon them.
Romans 1:26-27 - For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
I Corinthians 6:9 (NIV)- Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
I Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)- "But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully, realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching, according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted."
My my, how fascinating....and JESUS said.....????(cue "Jeopardy" theme music)

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

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Palm Springs, California

#232 Dec 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Some who like to think of themselves as Christians are hopelessly devoted to spreading suffering and death in the name of Jesus, ignoring the fact Jesus never said a word against gay people, while we know he was aware of born eunuchs and other same sex relationships. It it was so important, you'd think He would have repeated it many times, like He did the admonition to love each other as He loves us.
Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it:'Love your neighbor as yourself. The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments."
The poor sot cannot come up with anything new or original. If Jesus DID say anything on the subject, "CALEB" would be on here 24/7, endlessly quoting Him. Alas, for "CALEB", he will never be able to do so, so he relies on time tested archaic Leviticus non answers. "CALEB" ignores EVERY Leviticus rule, but the one he loves to quote.

“Luke laughs at hypocrites!”

Since: Sep 10

Palm Springs, California

#233 Dec 27, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>You are completely delusional and obviously not a Christian. Do you really think your fiction has any bearing on a rational discussion? Of course, you've yet to put forth anything rational.
The Epistles of Paul are considered by most scholars to be the oldest Christian documents. The Gospels were written later as the generation that knew Jesus began to wane. No Christian discounts the writings of Paul, which are an essential part of Christianity.
Your fiction about Philo of Alexandria is just speculation and is in no way documented. Most scholars think that in fact Philo 'borrowed' the idea.
Perhaps this link will help you see what lunacy it is to claim that Jesus in any way condoned your perverted lifestyle choice, even if you aren't a Christian and reject a majority of the New Testament: http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/4019...
IF you shave, you have broken with Leviticus.
IF you eat pork, you have broken with Leviticus.
IF you have allowed a non virgin to marry, and not stoned her to death, you have broken with Leviticus.

I want to know why you IGNORE most of the OT rules, but cling to ONE that is so sexy for you? WHY?

And for ONCE use your brain and answer without 20 boring quotes and cut and pastes.
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#240 Dec 27, 2012
Many like to use Matthew 19 as an excuse to assume Jesus only approved of one man, one woman relationships. But they stop reading half way through, rather than read it in context of 1-12...

Matthew 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.


"According to Jesus, born eunuchs are exempt from the Adam and Eve style heterosexual marriage paradigm.

Eunuchs so born from their mother’s womb. These eunuchs, according to Jesus, were born that way. They did not make a personal choice to be eunuchs and they were not physically castrated by men. Some Christians believe these men were homosexual eunuchs." http://www.gaychristian101.com/Homosexual-Eun...

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#241 Dec 27, 2012
The use of the story of Sodom to label a sex act is a good example of a misinterpretation and misapplication of biblical verses to demonize and dehumanize.

"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

Sin of Sodom http://www.iwgonline.org/docs/sodom.html

"There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says,“This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”(Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable — the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst." http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblica...

The point of Sodom was that you should love others, not abuse them. It was about harming them instead of treating them the way you want to be treated. It was about how you treat "the stranger at the gate." It had nothing to do with loving same sex relationships based on mutual respect and love between adults.

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge,"

And it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love. It is about power, control, domination, and abuse. Rape is not love.

"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." (quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)

Even the English versions of this story demonstrate there was nothing that can be honestly used to condemn gay people. Many other explanations including the Jewish versions of the this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.

"In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yal&#7731;., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...

So when you see verses that refer to Sodomites, they are addressing those who harm others needlessly, not same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.
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Marysville, CA

#247 Dec 27, 2012
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeshua is NOT to be "worshipped". His message is to be heard and followed.
Now you're starting to sound like a Jehovah's Witness. Jesus not to be worshiped? Everywhere he when, people feel on their knees and where worshiping him. He never told them to stop. That and the fact he declares himself to be God seals the deal.

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#248 Dec 27, 2012
"The primarily sexual meaning of the word sodomia for Christians did not evolve before the 6th century AD. Roman Emperor Justinian I, in his novels no. 77 (dating 538) and no. 141 (dating 559) amended to his Corpus iuris civilis, and declared that Sodom's sin had been specifically same-sex activities and desire for them. He also linked "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences" upon cities as being due to "such crimes", during a time of recent earthquakes and other disasters." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy

Sin of Sodom http://www.iwgonline.org/docs/sodom.html

"There are about twenty references to the story of Sodom in the Bible, and none of them says homosexuality was the sin of Sodom. One of the most extensive references to Sodom is found in Ezekiel, which says,“This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. They were haughty and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them when I saw it.”(Ezekiel 16:49-50 (See note 5.)) It is clear from this passage (and others like it (See note 6.)) that the abomination of Sodom, according to the Old Testament prophets, was that they behaved with callous indifference toward the weak and vulnerable — the poor, orphans, widows, and strangers in their midst." http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblica...

The point of Sodom was that you should love others, not abuse them. It was about harming them instead of treating them the way you want to be treated. It was about how you treat "the stranger at the gate." It had nothing to do with loving same sex relationships based on mutual respect and love between adults.

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge,"

And it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love. It is about power, control, domination, and abuse. Rape is not love.

"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." ( quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)

Even the English versions of this story demonstrate there was nothing that can be honestly used to condemn gay people. Many other explanations including the Jewish versions of the this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.

"In Sodom every one who gave bread and water to the poor was condemned to death by fire (Yal&#7731;., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13827-...

So when you see verses that refer to Sodomites, they are addressing those who harm others needlessly, not same sex relationships based on mutual love and respect.

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#249 Dec 27, 2012
Caleb wrote:
Can a sodomite be cured?
Man says, "No, because it isn't a disease," but God tells us there IS a cure, because there is a cure for ALL SIN. God is willing to cleanse any person of this sin and forget it forever! Some people have the strange idea that God cannot forgive certain sins, but the Bible says otherwise!
1 John 1:7 says, "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."
Revelation 1:5 says, "And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood."
Friend, Jesus Christ has the cure. You can ignore what the medical profession says about there being no cure for homosexuality. There IS a cure, and YOU can have it TODAY - if you'll confess to God that you're a sinner, repent of your sins (Luke 13:3), and receive His Son as your one and only Saviour. Sin is sin, whether it be sodomy, murder, stealing, lying, adultery, fornication, pride, rebellion, or anything else. All have sinned and come short of God's glory (Rom. 3:23) because all have been born with a sin nature (Rom. 5:12; Psa. 51:5). Jesus Christ shed His sinless blood and died to pay for your sins and He rose again the third day for your justification. The Bible says He'll save you if you'll RECEIVE Him as your Savior:
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" (John 1:12)
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." (Rom. 10:9-10)
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Rom. 10:13)
Friend, the decision is all your's. You can believe man and pretend that God made you to be a sodomite, or you can believe God and ask Him to save your soul from Hell through the precious blood of Jesus Christ.
http://www.biblebelievers.com/jmelton/sodom.h...
The question before you is, are you cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs?

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#250 Dec 27, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
"According to Jesus, born eunuchs are exempt from the Adam and Eve style heterosexual marriage paradigm.
Eunuchs so born from their mother’s womb. These eunuchs, according to Jesus, were born that way. They did not make a personal choice to be eunuchs and they were not physically castrated by men. Some Christians believe these men were homosexual eunuchs." http://www.gaychristian101.com/Homosexual-Eun...
Maybe two thousand years ago or more in different societies but like today, there is nothing that stops a man with out testicles from marrying a woman, not even a Bible verse.
Eunuchs in the OT among the Israelites, they weren't permitted to be part of the congregation/assembly and weren't allowed to worship God with the Lord's people. They had do do their worshipping in private by themselves in all probability.
Men born with testicles 2000 years ago and deemed instantly a "eunuch" by family and priests, they faced the same problems men face today who are born without testicles. They retain about 5% of their male chemical testosterone. They stand to lose body hair if they grow it and possibly develop breasts and usually won't have a sex drive. Eunuchs by birth not having testicles and men castrated to be a eunuch like men today, they can't reproduce. Even an erection is a tough thing to "fully" accomplish and maintain but for a minute or so at most so says some medical research.
So a eunuch born as such wouldn't be truly classified as a "homosexual" except by the uninformed wishing it to be true which it isn't.
Two thousand years ago a male born with testicles and raised as a male but having same sex attraction, they would have hid that attraction among their Jewish society. They might opt for castration but no one would judge them a homosexual.
The ironic thing here is pro-homosexuals go all out to prove there was no such thing as a "homosexual" in the Bible but yet, they'll spend hours of research to prove a eunuch is a homosexual. A bit of twisted logic me thinks :)

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#251 Dec 27, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>You are completely delusional and obviously not a Christian. Do you really think your fiction has any bearing on a rational discussion? Of course, you've yet to put forth anything rational.
The Epistles of Paul are considered by most scholars to be the oldest Christian documents. The Gospels were written later as the generation that knew Jesus began to wane. No Christian discounts the writings of Paul, which are an essential part of Christianity.
Your fiction about Philo of Alexandria is just speculation and is in no way documented. Most scholars think that in fact Philo 'borrowed' the idea.
Perhaps this link will help you see what lunacy it is to claim that Jesus in any way condoned your perverted lifestyle choice, even if you aren't a Christian and reject a majority of the New Testament: http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/4019...
You are sort of correct there. The "christian" you refer to is merely the Cappadocian heresy to which, of course, my sect never subscribed.

Your belief system is merely heresy piled upon heresy piled upon heresy from the earliest days, beginning with (but not exclusively) Saul.

The Biblicist heresy of much of that hoary edifice called christendom is just a reemergence of the pharisee synagogue cult which worshiped a collection of writings at the expense of everyone around them. That it is layered atop a pile of heresies stretching back to Nicaea and, before that, Cappadocia all the way back to the diaspora pharisee and gentile followers of Saul, just makes it more confused and tragic.

If you are SO concerned with what is most accurate in the herestical Nicene tradition, then you should be Orthodox. They haven't changed appreciably in 1700 years, though they've obviously also layered a goodly number of heresies on top of the Nicene heresies at their root. But THEY still perform the liturgies composed in the period surrounding the Nicene apostasy. You might have a problem with all the cartoons, but you should feel right at home in their small-mindednesses.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#252 Dec 27, 2012
Curteese wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, COWARD, I see you are AFRAID to come back with one of your smart ass responses, you ADMIT that Jesus didn't give a HOLY crap about gay sex, thus ignored it. FINALLY you are admitting, by your silence that I am right and you were wrong. THANK YOU! What a pleasure it is when I catch one of you in something you cannot prove.
When Jesus took a dump, was it holy crap?

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#253 Dec 27, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you lie about Jesus?
Do you disagree with John 1:1, which states Jesus is THE WORD?
Do you disagree with the Christian Bible which says all Scripture is God breathed?
Do you disagree with the Christian Bible which repeatedly says all homosexual behavior is VERY serious sin?
Just what is your source of information about the Jesus you speak of if it differs with Scripture?
You aren't making any sense!
You worship homosexual perversion, not Jesus!!!
You live in open rebellion against His many Commands against all homosexual behavior and try to lead others to hell with you.
Do you disagree with the buy-bull when it tells you to not judge others?
Do you disagree with the buy-bull when it tells you to mind your own business, David?

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#254 Dec 27, 2012
Caleb wrote:
The Sin of Sodom
Serious Questions and Bible Answers about the Homosexual Movement
What is a Sodomite?
... Then Leviticus 20:13 says, "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Webster defines an "abomination" as "extreme hatred" and "detestation." That's how God feels about sodomites.
Then Leviticus 11:10 says, "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:"
Webster defines an "abomination" as "extreme hatred" and "detestation." That's how God feels about shrimp cocktail.

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Commonwealth of Pennsylvania

#255 Dec 27, 2012
Mormon church = Modern KKK

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#256 Dec 27, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Then Leviticus 11:10 says, "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:"
Webster defines an "abomination" as "extreme hatred" and "detestation." That's how God feels about shrimp cocktail.
"Abomination" is a strong admonishment to leave something alone ... like leaving a woman alone when she's on her period. Apparently the early writers were acquainted with PMS. Tell a man to be nice and he'll ignore you. Tell him the deity calls it an abomination and a woman gets a few days off every month and the man can do the cooking, cleaning, and deal with his brats.

I'm sure that whales and dolphins (fins but no scales) would be very happy to be treated as abominations, so we'd stop killing them.
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Palm Springs, California

#259 Dec 28, 2012
Caleb wrote:
Jesus Never Said Anything About Homosexuality, or Did He?
IT ALL STARTS WITH WHO JESUS IS.
by Linda Harvey
This common myth is simply not true!
Consider these facts:
Jesus is never quoted in the New Testament as having directly addressed rape, incest, domestic violence or homosexual behavior. So are we supposed to believe all these practices are okay with Him? Read on....
Gospel writer and apostle John tells us there are many teachings and deeds of Christ that are not included in their New Testament accounts (John 21:25).
Christ is quoted at one point that God created people “in the beginning” as male and female, and that marriage is the union of one man and one woman joined together as “one flesh.”(Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9) Nothing is said about any other type of union.
When He discussed sexual morality, Christ had a very high standard, clearly affirming long-standing Old Testament law. He told the woman caught in adultery to “Go and sin no more.”(John 8:11) He warned people that not only the act of adultery was wrong, but even adulterous thoughts (Matthew 5:28). And he shamed the woman at the well (John 4:18) by pointing out to her that he knew she was living with a man who was not her husband.
Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah as dramatic examples of God’s wrath (Matthew 10:15, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12, and Luke 17:29). Throughout the Old Testament, prophets described these cities as being notorious for the practice of homosexuality.(Genesis 18:20, Genesis 19:4-5, Isaiah 3:9, Jeremiah 23:14, Ezekiel 16:46-59). Jesus certainly knew that this was how the comparison would be understood.
Most important of all, Christ was God incarnate (in the flesh) here on earth. He was the long-expected Messiah, Emmanuel (which means "God with us"). This was revealed in Matthew 16:13- 20, Matthew 17:5-9, Mark 8:27-30, Luke 4:16-30, Luke 9:18-21,John 4:25-26, John 8:57-59 and elsewhere. As one with God, He was present from the beginning of creation (John 1: 1-13; Colossians 1:15-17; Ephesians 3:9 and elsewhere).
So, Jesus was God as the laws were handed down through Moses to Israel and eventually to the whole world. This Old Testament law clearly prohibited homosexuality (Genesis 19, Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13; Deuteronomy 23:18 and elsewhere). The apostles understood this also, as shown by Paul’s writing in Romans 1:24-27, Peter’s in 2 Peter 2:4-22, and John’s in Revelation 22:15.
So--the apostles, who were taught by Christ, clearly understood that homosexuality was a sin as it has always been. When people say,“Jesus said nothing about homosexuality,” they reveal that they really haven’t understood Scripture, or Who Christ was and is.
Maybe some of these points can lead them to a clearer understanding.
http://www.missionamerica.com/articletext.php...
Oddly enough, YOUR bible is full of rape and beatings and incest. in Judges 21-10-24 YOUR bible says that rape and kidnapping and murder are just FINE with the lord.

In Numbers 31:7-18 Moses, under God's directive, tells his men to murder all men and boys and women who are not virgins, but kidnap the virgins for the use of his men!

Finally in YOUR bible, Deuteronomy 22:28-29 If a girl is raped, and doesn't have the presences of mind to yell for help, she and the rapist must be taken into the town square and be stoned to death. THAT will teach her a lesson.

As for incest, in YOUR Old Testament Lot screws his DAUGHTERS, who to be fair got him too loaded to notice.

So, Jesus never HAD to mention rape or incest, or anything else unpleasant, for YOUR bible already has LOVELY rules to follow.

But, he never did mention gay sex. Sorry, I didn't write the bible, so don't blame me.

And you KNOW if Jesus DID say something about it, you would be crowing it from the roof tops constantly.

Don't try to outfox me. I can look up bible verses all day and find you wrong.

How's things on S. 18th Street in Pekin, by the way?
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Kansas City, MO.

#262 Dec 28, 2012
Righteous-Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>I'm on my way two Chick-Fil-A for lunch, then Legal Seafood for dinner.
WOO HOO
We get it...on your way to the lockdown cafe. ROTFL

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#263 Dec 28, 2012
Caleb wrote:
<quoted text>If you're going to continue to obsess on posting hate about the Bible, you really should read it.
The New Testament makes it perfectly plain that kosher ended and tells you why.
Any way you cut it, the Bible repeatedly condemns all homosexual behavior in the plainest of terms and in both Testaments.
LOL. Yeah, Jesus fulfilled the OT, except for the parts you feel back up your bigotry.
Dave, why don't you just mind your own damn business when it comes to other people's sex lives? Or does this buy-bull verse not count anymore?
"But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." 1 Peter 4:15

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