With Britain opting out, US faces pos...

With Britain opting out, US faces possibility of taking action against Syria without coalition

There are 245 comments on the The Washington Post story from Aug 29, 2013, titled With Britain opting out, US faces possibility of taking action against Syria without coalition. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

President Barack Obama on Thursday prepared for the possibility of launching unilateral American military action against Syria within days as Britain opted out in a stunning vote by Parliament.

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Inquirer

Bailey, CO

#173 Sep 4, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> I am old enough to recall that the last few years of Vietnam, the majority of American's wanted us out...immediately....sad as it seems, that's not how our system operates....We elect and intrust representatives to decide for us....for many reasons, that is the way it should work....
I recall Vietnam quite well since I was a teen at that time. Wasn't drafted but offered to enlist for National Guard - however I failed the physical which is the name we used for the health & fitness test.

Everybody blindly accepted the notion that the Gulf of Tonkin "attack" was genuine. We learned through the Pentagon Papers that no such attack took place. As with the Downing Street Memo, we know that the government is only too willing to start wars, kill its own citizenry, and "justify" itself through lies so that the military industrial complex may profit.

While we relied on the government and the controlled media to tell us about events overseas in the past, we now can rely on the Internet for the TRUTH. And that truth tells us there is no possible justification for war on Syria. None whatsoever.

Therefore, everyone here needs to write to their Congressperson and DEMAND that we refrain from war just as the British are doing. That is the proper thing for a real patriot to do.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#174 Sep 4, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> U.S. promoted and signed the, Chemical Weapons Ban Convention...It was ratified by our Congress....Occasionally, we are expected to fulfill our obligations.....our should we dishonor them?
It was a Chemical Weapons ban signed by Many Countries... Explain to me One reason it falls on the US to be the Enforces alone....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#175 Sep 4, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> U.S. promoted and signed the, Chemical Weapons Ban Convention...It was ratified by our Congress....Occasionally, we are expected to fulfill our obligations.....our should we dishonor them?
By the way.. a Ban that Syria never signed onto and are not useing such weapons on anyone but themselves...

Since: Oct 12

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#176 Sep 5, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
It was a Chemical Weapons ban signed by Many Countries... Explain to me One reason it falls on the US to be the Enforces alone....
Don't believe we shall be alone, and we promoted that ban, we have the most stated commitment to the ban......We, as the best example and leader of the free world, are often expected to lead on the basic human rights....Perhap's you think, doing the right thing about oppression and the slaughter of innocents, is unnecessary simply because it's outta favor or unpopular? Is that how you see this country?

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#177 Sep 5, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way.. a Ban that Syria never signed onto and are not useing such weapons on anyone but themselves...
...really???....

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#178 Sep 5, 2013
Inquirer wrote:
The clear MAJORITY of Americans say NO to further war in the Middle East:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/...

Despite the barrage of pro war propaganda we have gotten the majority oppose this adventurism. It is time for Congress to stop its hearings and to deny Obama's demand for more war.

But watch for any possible "terrorist" attack on the USA - a false flag designed to stir up more war hysteria.
Will Syria finally be the blunder that unites us? If so Washington is in deep doo.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#179 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>I am old enough to recall that the last few years of Vietnam, the majority of American's wanted us out...immediately....sad as it seems, that's not how our system operates....We elect and intrust representatives to decide for us....for many reasons, that is the way it should work....
Yep, and we didn't fight a war to win since.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#180 Sep 5, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>It could be. After all, if Assad is successfully killing the people he wants in the numbers that he wants, why would he use these WMD kinds of weapons? Seems suspicious to me.
What would Assad have to gain by using WMB's, he was winning easily without them. What would the rebels have to gain..........everything.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#181 Sep 5, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>It was a Chemical Weapons ban signed by Many Countries... Explain to me One reason it falls on the US to be the Enforces alone....
Yes it was. There was however three noted liberals that voted against it. Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton and Hagel.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#182 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> I am old enough to recall that the last few years of Vietnam, the majority of American's wanted us out...immediately....sad as it seems, that's not how our system operates....We elect and intrust representatives to decide for us....for many reasons, that is the way it should work....
What you wrote is true...In a "Republic". Unfortunately we were transitioning to a "Democracy" by then. Add the fact that we were at our peak as a nation economically and the wealth was at its max with respect to our families with national debt at the amoeba level compared to today, then the ingredients were there for unrest. Empires involve themselves in others business. Our last years as a "Republic" ended with World War 1. The process takes time and is uneven in political and personal lives. We completed the "Democracy" phase by the early 1970's. We then entered the "Tyranny" stage. Subtle slow increments at first. But speeding up to a soft tyranny and hard fines for offenses and a prison sentence for the most minor things with dehumanizing attacks against individuals. At some point we will be entering the "Totalitarian" stage. It will be very direct. Ask people in other parts of the world that have experienced it.
Inquirer

Bailey, CO

#183 Sep 5, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
Will Syria finally be the blunder that unites us? If so Washington is in deep doo.
"unites"?

Good question.

Now here is proof from wikileaks which shows this war campaign was planned for quite a while:

"Military Intervention In Syria", US Training "Rebels" Since 2011 And The Complete Grand Plan - The March 2012 Leak"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-25/mili...

Note how it says that the American population will largely ignore what's happening there UNTIL a massive terrorist attack is created. Thus, the sarin attack was planned beforehand in order to stir up pro war hysteria. And see earlier posts which show that al-Nusra terrorists (allies of al-Qaeda) had their hands on sarin and were arrested in Turkey last May 30.

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For those who think these terrorists are so innocent, here they are celebrating Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 attack:



If these devils are permitted to win in Syria they will carry on all sorts of horrendous depredations on the people there.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#184 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Don't believe we shall be alone, and we promoted that ban, we have the most stated commitment to the ban......We, as the best example and leader of the free world, are often expected to lead on the basic human rights....Perhap's you think, doing the right thing about oppression and the slaughter of innocents, is unnecessary simply because it's outta favor or unpopular? Is that how you see this country?
Three liberals opposed that ban and promoted Assad as a good guy some famous. They were joe Biden, Hagel and Pelosi.
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#185 Sep 5, 2013
Don't worry the french are on our side. (cough)

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.pixoto.com/quantumm

#186 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Don't believe we shall be alone, and we promoted that ban, we have the most stated commitment to the ban......We, as the best example and leader of the free world, are often expected to lead on the basic human rights....Perhap's you think, doing the right thing about oppression and the slaughter of innocents, is unnecessary simply because it's outta favor or unpopular? Is that how you see this country?
What If scenario...

France has a uprising and during the French governments quelling of the up rising a Chemical Weapon is released during a engagement... The People doing the uprising claim it was the French Government that used Chemical Weapons, The Russians gather intelligence and agree the French used Chemical Weapons... The Russian choose to punish the French by launching Cruise Missiles at select military sites in our Allies nation to force them to not use chemical weapons... What would be the Appropriate US response?

The Ban was a UN derived Ban and what you, and Our government is calling for is Unilateral Action not Authorized by the Very UN that holds authority over such action...

The whole idea the the Syrian Government after fighting and firing from artillery, aircraft & Tanks and killing over 100,000 while being under threat of US action if they used Chemical weapons then using Chemical Weapons on a small surrounded area to kill 1,400 makes Little to no sense....

The Al Quida opposition getting it's hand on some chemicals during assorted battles around the country, then finding themselves surrounded, detonating chemical weapons to draw the US to act as the Al Quita Air Force sound far more plausible....
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#188 Sep 5, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> What you wrote is true...In a "Republic". Unfortunately we were transitioning to a "Democracy" by then. Add the fact that we were at our peak as a nation economically and the wealth was at its max with respect to our families with national debt at the amoeba level compared to today, then the ingredients were there for unrest. Empires involve themselves in others business. Our last years as a "Republic" ended with World War 1. The process takes time and is uneven in political and personal lives. We completed the "Democracy" phase by the early 1970's. We then entered the "Tyranny" stage. Subtle slow increments at first. But speeding up to a soft tyranny and hard fines for offenses and a prison sentence for the most minor things with dehumanizing attacks against individuals. At some point we will be entering the "Totalitarian" stage. It will be very direct. Ask people in other parts of the world that have experienced it.
If i am not mistaken, our national debt has dropped a Trillion, since the last election? Nobody ever mentions it, though.....

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#189 Sep 5, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
What If scenario...
France has a uprising and during the French governments quelling of the up rising a Chemical Weapon is released during a engagement... The People doing the uprising claim it was the French Government that used Chemical Weapons, The Russians gather intelligence and agree the French used Chemical Weapons... The Russian choose to punish the French by launching Cruise Missiles at select military sites in our Allies nation to force them to not use chemical weapons... What would be the Appropriate US response?
The Ban was a UN derived Ban and what you, and Our government is calling for is Unilateral Action not Authorized by the Very UN that holds authority over such action...
The whole idea the the Syrian Government after fighting and firing from artillery, aircraft & Tanks and killing over 100,000 while being under threat of US action if they used Chemical weapons then using Chemical Weapons on a small surrounded area to kill 1,400 makes Little to no sense....
The Al Quida opposition getting it's hand on some chemicals during assorted battles around the country, then finding themselves surrounded, detonating chemical weapons to draw the US to act as the Al Quita Air Force sound far more plausible....
....Sorry, i have too many chores today, to play the "What If?" Game.....I believe the #1 goal here, will be to erase, Bashier Al Assad......
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#190 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>....Sorry, i have too many chores today, to play the "What If?" Game.....I believe the #1 goal here, will be to erase, Bashier Al Assad......
And put who in his place???
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#191 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> If i am not mistaken, our national debt has dropped a Trillion, since the last election? Nobody ever mentions it, though.....
'cause it ain't so...
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#192 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Don't believe we shall be alone, and we promoted that ban, we have the most stated commitment to the ban......We, as the best example and leader of the free world, are often expected to lead on the basic human rights....Perhap's you think, doing the right thing about oppression and the slaughter of innocents, is unnecessary simply because it's outta favor or unpopular? Is that how you see this country?
It's certainly the way Democrats seen this country when Bush decided to go into Iraq.

Maybe we should have the same standards for Syria that Democrats wanted during the Bush years. You know, live by the standard we shouldn't attack any country that is not a direct threat to us? Get the UN stamp of approval? Things like that.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#193 Sep 5, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> U.S. promoted and signed the, Chemical Weapons Ban Convention...It was ratified by our Congress....Occasionally, we are expected to fulfill our obligations.....our should we dishonor them?
Fair enough. So let me answer a question with a question:

If Iran was gassing their people, should we invade?

What if North Korea started to gas their people, should we send troops in?

What if China was nerve gassing their defectors? What about Russia? Should we send the Navy in to fire some missiles at these countries?

While Syria is a dot on the world map, it could easily end up into something much bigger. Are we willing to accept the results of our actions?

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