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Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes

There are 17552 comments on the NBC Chicago story from Jan 7, 2013, titled Church Leaders Vow Political Backlash if Gay Marriage Passes. In it, NBC Chicago reports that:

Leaders of several Chicago-area African American churches on Monday urged state lawmakers to vote against pending legislation that would allow same-sex marriage in Illinois.

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Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#14264 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>And we all agree, no copy of same sex marriage law exists in writing before Y2K, right? Same sex relationships have always existed, their are historic examples in art and law. But same sex marriage law is a new thing, less than 14 years old.
If I'm wrong, just cite the law. The Theodosian Code refers to same sex marriage to make it illegal punishable with death by torture. That's no legal argument for same sex marriage and if you're gay or in a long term same sex relationship, a good reason to keep marriage one man and one woman.
Very good, Theodosius.

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Since: Nov 07

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#14265 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>And we all agree, no copy of same sex marriage law exists in writing before Y2K, right? Same sex relationships have always existed, their are historic examples in art and law. But same sex marriage law is a new thing, less than 14 years old.
If I'm wrong, just cite the law. The Theodosian Code refers to same sex marriage to make it illegal punishable with death by torture. That's no legal argument for same sex marriage and if you're gay or in a long term same sex relationship, a good reason to keep marriage one man and one woman.
You mean this state of the art in thinking from 392 CE?

Theodosian Code 9.8.3: "When a man marries and is about to offer himself to men in womanly fashion (quum vir nubit in feminam viris porrecturam), what does he wish, when sex has lost all its significance; when the crime is one which it is not profitable to know; when Venus is changed to another form; when love is sought and not found? We order the statutes to arise, the laws to be armed with an avenging sword, that those infamous persons who are now, or who hereafter may be, guilty may be subjected to exquisite punishment."

It was actually the first law passed to prohibit same sex legally recognized marriages anywhere and in 1600+ years you haven't gotten all that much better at it. It was around the same time when same sex sex was declared a sin and prohibited under the same codes. The Church/State did however continued to benefit from the continued practice. Male prostitutes were taxed for another century.

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Since: Dec 08

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#14266 Dec 6, 2013
If you believe "exquisite punishment" might be interesting, this same sex marriage was a capital offense, they were serious.

#3 Reason for keeping marriage one man and one woman: Survival

Don't let history repeat itself, think first.

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Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#14267 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
If you believe "exquisite punishment" might be interesting, this same sex marriage was a capital offense, they were serious.
#3 Reason for keeping marriage one man and one woman: Survival
Don't let history repeat itself, think first.
Brian, just when I think you can't make yourself look any dumber, you come up with a post like this.

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Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#14268 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
If you believe "exquisite punishment" might be interesting, this same sex marriage was a capital offense, they were serious.
#3 Reason for keeping marriage one man and one woman: Survival
Don't let history repeat itself, think first.
It seems that if we decide not to kill people for being gay, or for marrying someone of their same gender, then survival won't be an issue.

Don't let history repeat itself, think first. Don't make consensual acts between adults into capital offenses.

“It's Time. . .”

Since: Jun 13

New Holland

#14269 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
If you believe "exquisite punishment" might be interesting, this same sex marriage was a capital offense, they were serious.
#3 Reason for keeping marriage one man and one woman: Survival
Don't let history repeat itself, think first.
You advocate burning people @ the stake, that was your "exquisite punishment". It's also the origin of the expression f****t, originally the wood used.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burning_of_...

You should be proud.

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Since: Dec 08

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#14270 Dec 6, 2013
I've never advocated capital punishment or criminalizing same sex marriage. Consensual acts between adults isn't the same as state sanctioned sex segregated marriage. Two men or two women were never legally recognized as married in written law, anywhere in the world, before Y2K.

All I'm saying, let's go slow because survival is at stake. See the Theodosian Code for proof.

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Since: Dec 08

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#14271 Dec 6, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
You advocate burning people @ the stake, that was your "exquisite punishment". It's also the origin of the expression f****t, originally the wood used.[URL deleted] You should be proud.
^^^This is untrue, I've never advocated the use of violence except in self defense. R.W. misunderstands the argument, I argue for life, keeping marriage law as is, male/female.

I oppose acts of barbarism and I recognize life for what it is. Some places on Earth are barbaric. We should fight that battle first, for life not marriage; for our common survival.

Reason number three for keeping marriage one man and one woman, survival.

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Since: Nov 07

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#14272 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Don't let history repeat itself, think first.
You mean like when the Christian Church required sex before marriage and blessed the unions of same sex couples?

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Since: Dec 08

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#14273 Dec 6, 2013
No, keeping marriage one man and one woman means a society considers sex and marriage a natural union. I bless the union of same sex couples too, I just don't want to rewrite marriage law, it has nothing to do with how I feel about the individuals, just best for the civilization.

One man and one woman marriage is perfect affirmative action, integration and diversity; considering two men or two women as if married licenses sex segregation in marriage. That's never been seen in written law before Y2K.

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Since: Dec 08

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#14274 Dec 6, 2013
Same sex marriage licenses sterile marriages. I don't think that's a good thing for population growth.

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#14275 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
If you believe "exquisite punishment" might be interesting, this same sex marriage was a capital offense, they were serious.
#3 Reason for keeping marriage one man and one woman: Survival
Don't let history repeat itself, think first.
So the world will come to an end soon huh?

Really? What nonsense.

Since: Aug 11

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#14276 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, keeping marriage one man and one woman means a society considers sex and marriage a natural union. I bless the union of same sex couples too, I just don't want to rewrite marriage law, it has nothing to do with how I feel about the individuals, just best for the civilization.
One man and one woman marriage is perfect affirmative action, integration and diversity; considering two men or two women as if married licenses sex segregation in marriage. That's never been seen in written law before Y2K.
How's this going for you Brian? Seems like more and more countries and states are accepting legal same sex marriage. Do feel threatened by this trend?

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#14277 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, keeping marriage one man and one woman means a society considers sex and marriage a natural union. I bless the union of same sex couples too, I just don't want to rewrite marriage law, it has nothing to do with how I feel about the individuals, just best for the civilization.
One man and one woman marriage is perfect affirmative action, integration and diversity; considering two men or two women as if married licenses sex segregation in marriage. That's never been seen in written law before Y2K.
Sorry Brian, but my wife and I are married like any other opposite-sex couple......and moving forward, eventually all 50 states will be granting the right to marry to Same-Sex couples:-)

One man one woman marriage is NOT perfect Affirmative action, nor is integration solely about opposite genders......and no one cares if marriage has only recently been granted to Same-Sex Couples of they have existed over time.......the fact is that they are here now and they are here to stay!!!

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#14278 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage licenses sterile marriages. I don't think that's a good thing for population growth.
But you do think it's okay for infertile/sterile and women past the childbearing years to marry as long as it is with the opposite-sex, right? This makes you a HYPOCRITE!!!

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Since: Nov 07

this one

#14279 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
No, keeping marriage one man and one woman means a society considers sex and marriage a natural union. I bless the union of same sex couples too, I just don't want to rewrite marriage law, it has nothing to do with how I feel about the individuals, just best for the civilization.
One man and one woman marriage is perfect affirmative action, integration and diversity; considering two men or two women as if married licenses sex segregation in marriage. That's never been seen in written law before Y2K.
Actually, one man/one woman marriage isn't a Christian tradition, but one brought to it by the Gentiles. Christianity was born of a polygamous culture that stayed with its Jewish converts until the Gentiles won out. Marriage laws have been written and rewritten countless times over the centuries. Remember, God not only used to bless sex before marriage(for procreative purposes only, so you'd better not enjoy it, God will be watching), His Church required it. Folk used to civilly marry first, because the Church wouldn't even consider blessing your marriage until you proved you and your intended and your recently arrived little b/*tard were in need of one.

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Since: Nov 07

this one

#14280 Dec 6, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Same sex marriage licenses sterile marriages. I don't think that's a good thing for population growth.
Fun Fact: Arizona's law on first cousin marriages requires the union to be sterile and if I remember right, a couple of states that allow it have age restrictions attached that make reproduction seriously less likely.
You were saying?

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#14281 Dec 6, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true......Gays and Lesbians have been around since the beginning of time!!!
History is not your strong suit. "Gays", as an exclusive reference to those who engage in same sex behavior, and/or profess a same sex attraction, is relatively new. It also referenced individuals who engaged in a variety of opposite sex behaviors. A "gay man" was actually a womanizer! Ironic.

Lesbians, the Greek residents of the island of Lesbos, they've been around a long....long...long time, far longer than women who are attracted to other women.
The labels are what have ONLY existed since the 19th century!!!
Rather odd, it took until the late 19th century/early 20th century, for the words "homosexual", and "heterosexual" to be coined. Why is that Ms Researcher....thoughts?

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Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#14282 Dec 6, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
History is not your strong suit. "Gays", as an exclusive reference to those who engage in same sex behavior, and/or profess a same sex attraction, is relatively new. It also referenced individuals who engaged in a variety of opposite sex behaviors. A "gay man" was actually a womanizer! Ironic.
Lesbians, the Greek residents of the island of Lesbos, they've been around a long....long...long time, far longer than women who are attracted to other women.
<quoted text>
Rather odd, it took until the late 19th century/early 20th century, for the words "homosexual", and "heterosexual" to be coined. Why is that Ms Researcher....thoughts?
Actually, I don't believe that a Gay man was EVER a womanizer......I think that is what you'd like to believe is true or what was perceived as being true!!!

Again, it's NOT rather odd that the word was coined in the late 1890's.......which is NOT the 20th century.....sorry you haven't figured that out yet!!!

Once you find something that you think shows your point of view.....you stick with it even if it's WRONG!!!

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Since: Nov 07

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#14283 Dec 6, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
History is not your strong suit.
Not one of your stronger suits either, sorry.

When in doubt, always consult a really good etymology dictionary.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php...

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