Rick Santorum booed for suggesting gay marriage 'harms' children

Jan 6, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Daily Mail

Santorum booed for suggesting gay marriage 'harms' children as he defends 2003 interview linking homosexuality to 'man on dog' sex But Newt Gingrich said he is willing to go before the NAACP and urge blacks to demand paychecks, not food stamps Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum engaged in a hostile exchange over gay marriage on ... (more)

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Forcing affirmation of deviant behavior.
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Every claim? lol That is a lie and you know it. Gender relevancy is not based on a religion. Responsible procreation is not based on a religion. Others have shown there is a compelling state interest not to allow same sex marriage.
No they haven't. What is compelling to YOU is bullshit to the Court.

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Forcing affirmation of deviant behavior.
You present two fallacies in just 5 words.

Being gay is not deviant behavior as it consistently occurs in statistically significant numbers across time, place, and even species.

No one is forcing you to affirm anything. Equal treatment under the law does not require you to overcome your prejudice.

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So-called homosexual behavior deviates from the norm. The requirements for marriage are not based on religion and they apply equally to all American citizens in every state. You have never demonstrated how those who identify themselves as homosexual don't have equal rights.
Gay people can be fired from their jobs in some states but not others, yet no one can be fired based on their choice of religion.

Adoption is denied to gay people in some places, while such denial is prohibited based on choice of religion.

Gay people cannot marry the otherwise qualified person of their choice in several states.

The legal marriages of gay people in the several states that recognize marriage equality, are not treated equally to the marriages of straight people in those states by the federal government.

All states recognize the legal marriages of straight people from other states, while only some recognize the legal marriages of straight people. A straight couple can travel to every state and have their marriage and child custody rights remain if full force and effect, while the same rights of gay people change or disappear when they cross state lines.

When one legal marriage is recognized yet another is not, this is clearly discrimination under the law. As the trial courts have shown on 5 occasions so far, this violates the equal protection requirements of the constitution. If the courts can recognize this as discrimination, why can't you?

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Every claim? lol That is a lie and you know it. Gender relevancy is not based on a religion. Responsible procreation is not based on a religion. Others have shown there is a compelling state interest not to allow same sex marriage.
No one has demonstrated a compelling governmental interest in denial of marriage equality. Attempts to do so, only demonstrate such denial is based on prejudice and animus alone.

The Court: "I'm asking you to tell me how it would harm opposite sex marriages."

Mr. Cooper: "Your Honor, my answer is: I don't know. I don't know."

(Perry v., p. 24, Motion for Summary Judgement)

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More illogical knee-jerk reaction:
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Animals don't build homes?
Ever heard of a bird's nest?
Animals don't build families?
http://www.wonderquest.com/animal-mate-for-li...
Gibbon apes, wolves, termites, coyotes, barn owls, beavers, bald eagles, golden eagles, condors, swans, brolga cranes, French angel fish, sandhill cranes, pigeons, prions (a seabird), red-tailed hawks, anglerfish, ospreys, prairie voles (a rodent), and black vultures — are a few that mate for life
Since you were so wrong about that, I didn't even bother to read the rest of your ranting.
Don't be obtuse. Is your house made of a pile of twigs in a tree? Are you incapable of understanding how far humans are beyond this?

This is what passes for intellectualism in the conservative camp?

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They boo because they do not like thinking.

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You present two fallacies in just 5 words.
Being gay is not deviant behavior as it consistently occurs in statistically significant numbers across time, place, and even species.
No one is forcing you to affirm anything. Equal treatment under the law does not require you to overcome your prejudice.
By demanding the special privilege of same sex marriage, and all the other "equalities" gays demand, they most certainly are trying to force normal people to "affirm" their sexual perversion.

Also, homosexuality deviates from the norm. That fact doesn't change just because you claim it occurs in "increasing" numbers.
So does murder, and bankruptcy.

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Don't be obtuse. Is your house made of a pile of twigs in a tree? Are you incapable of understanding how far humans are beyond this?
This is what passes for intellectualism in the conservative camp?
"Don't be obtuse"?
Don't be a hypocrite.
Did you specify the building material when you falsely claimed animals don't build homes? They most certainly DO build hio\omes, and families, as you also falsely claimed they don't. You're just angry because your bullsht got shot down by the truth.

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No they haven't. What is compelling to YOU is bullshit to the Court.
Sure they have. The majority of states do not allow same sex marriage.

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You present two fallacies in just 5 words.
Being gay is not deviant behavior as it consistently occurs in statistically significant numbers across time, place, and even species.
No one is forcing you to affirm anything. Equal treatment under the law does not require you to overcome your prejudice.
Looking through a homoerotic lens does not make so-called homosexuality less deviant.

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Pro lifes gays want adoption rights, not marriage.

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Wow, so now ONLY heterosexuals who are married and have natural children of that marriage should be granted PRIVILEGED STATUS.......how wonderful of this man who is against abortion for EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE except his wife, who slept with his wife and their deceased fetus and who then took that fetus home for his children to hold, so that they would know that their brother was a real person........how frucking sick is that?
The more this man speaks.......the more he kills his own chances!!!
Ya, heard about that on Inside Edition one night. Could not beleive it!! Talk about GROSS!
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By demanding the special privilege of same sex marriage, and all the other "equalities" gays demand, they most certainly are trying to force normal people to "affirm" their sexual perversion.
Also, homosexuality deviates from the norm. That fact doesn't change just because you claim it occurs in "increasing" numbers.
So does murder, and bankruptcy.
Equal rights are not special rights. They only become special rights when they are guaranteed to one group, but denied to another group.

I never said anything about "increasing numbers", though as the population grows, so does the gay subpopulation.

What I said is; the gay population consistently occurs in statistically significant numbers across time, place, and even species. Therefore, it is not an aberration, but a natural and normal expression of the human condition for a minority of the population.

And again, no one is forcing you to affirm anything. No law tells you how you must feel.

Equal treatment under the law does not require you to overcome your prejudice. Just as removing the laws that stigmatized and marginalized black people did not force anyone to overcome their irrational prejudice, removing laws that stigmatize and marginalize gay people will not end anti-gay prejudice. It only removes the official stamp of second class citizenship, and the scientifically unsupportable excuse for prejudice that label infers.

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Pro lifes gays want adoption rights, not marriage.
Most gay people want and understand the importance of full equal rights. That includes adoption as well as marriage. Gay couples who want to raise a family, whether through adoption or assisted procreation, want all of the legal protections for their children and their families guaranteed to straight people.

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Looking through a homoerotic lens does not make so-called homosexuality less deviant.
Looking through the lens of clarity and scientifically demonstrated reality however, reveals homosexuality is a normal expression of the human condition for a minority of the population, while looking through the lens of irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice and bigotry leads to needless suffering and death.

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"Don't be obtuse"?
Don't be a hypocrite.
Did you specify the building material when you falsely claimed animals don't build homes? They most certainly DO build hio\omes, and families, as you also falsely claimed they don't. You're just angry because your bullsht got shot down by the truth.
It's my own fault, I suppose, for letting you carry on all weekend with that nonsense. I should've replied more promptly on Friday.

You are the wrong person to have this conversation with, if you can't separate the primitive lives that animals lead from the complex and sophisticated social levels of humanity.

Obviously, animals are capable of throwing together a pile of sticks, or digging a hole in the mud, and that is good enough for them to call a "home". But that is completely un-related to the highly-developed interactions that take place within a human home. And it's nothing but a distraction and conversation-derailer for you to assume that someone doesn't know what a bird's nest is. I mean, is that really the best that you've got?

Animals don't live like we do. They don't love like we do. They don't think or communicate or inter-relate anything like we do. They don't sign contracts like we do. They don't get married like we do. They are similar to us in only the most superficially biological ways. In social and cultural development, they are nothing like us.

Your constant need to demean people by comparing them to animals will lose you this argument every time. If homosexuality isn't for YOU, I doubt that anyone is trying to force you to try it out. But you need to recognize that this variance DOES EXIST in humans, and saavy humans know how to make room in the world for everyone, no matter how different. We recognize that people who are suited for that type of relationship should have the freedom to pursue it. We don't muck up the world with hatred and division and shallow, petty judgments about sexuality.
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Pro lifes gays want adoption rights, not marriage.
Ninth Circuit Court Of Appeals Rules Prop 8 Unconstitutional

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Looking through the lens of clarity and scientifically demonstrated reality however, reveals homosexuality is a normal expression of the human condition for a minority of the population, while looking through the lens of irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice and bigotry leads to needless suffering and death.
So-called homosexuality can only exist as a disorder, which science has not proved otherwise. The suffering and death is what so-called homosexuals inflict on themselves and each other.

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So-called homosexuality can only exist as a disorder, which science has not proved otherwise. The suffering and death is what so-called homosexuals inflict on themselves and each other.
Where have you been for the last 40 years? Science proved decades ago that homosexuality was not a disorder, as Freud and others knew even before that.

Now, after decades of research and clinical experience, every mainstream medical and mental health organization in the US agrees being gay is not a disorder, but rather a natural expression of the human condition for a minority of the population.

“Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding.”(American Psychological Association )

The needless suffering and death is a result of the irrational, scientifically unsupportable prejudice you promote.

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