Lawmakers assail Mexico, Obama administration over jailed U.S. Marine veteran

Full story: The Miami Herald

Florida's senior U.S. senator Tuesday exhorted Mexico to release an imprisoned Marine Corps veteran of campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan who is being held in a Matamoros prison, declaring that "enough is enough." Sen.
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Ohio Wrangler

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Dec 11, 2012
 
This is another case of injustice by Mexicans over a weapon or ammunition. The prosecution lied about hidden ammo in the truck even though others said it was not so. Then they kept the ammo that was a legal shipment gone awry. Now they have mistreated another American passing through their country.
These arrests should have been handled by Obama calling the President of Mexico and asking if he is our ally or enemy? But Obama does nothing as usual for Americans. He is too busy bringing the country down, and taking away our freedoms==ignoring our wishes on issues. He wants to be King Obama.
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Dec 12, 2012
 
Ohio Wrangler wrote:
This is another case of injustice by Mexicans over a weapon or ammunition. The prosecution lied about hidden ammo in the truck even though others said it was not so. Then they kept the ammo that was a legal shipment gone awry. Now they have mistreated another American passing through their country.
These arrests should have been handled by Obama calling the President of Mexico and asking if he is our ally or enemy? But Obama does nothing as usual for Americans. He is too busy bringing the country down, and taking away our freedoms==ignoring our wishes on issues. He wants to be King Obama.
The Mexico system for justice is very flawed. You are guilty and have to prove your innocence. Many things can get you in jail or prison in Mexico that you would never expect.

An instance. Alside's supply, one of the largest suppliers of building products and sold directly to contractor's only put on incentive trips to destinations around the world. I had been to many countries over the years as a co-owner of a good sized construction and remodel company. There would literally be at least 500 per year that went on these trips.

My partner went on the trip to I believe was either Cancun or Puerto Vallarta that year, and I stayed in the USA to work. A family went. A Mother, father and their 17 year old son. The father and son rented jet skies. While on the water the two crashed into each other and the father died. The son was taken to the hospital. The son was put under armed guard so he could not escape. They wanted to transfer him the the local prison to face charges for murder. The doctor talked to the Mother and Alside's representatives and said it was best to say the son had serious injuries. They still would not let him leave the hospital to be with his family and leave the country. Finally they said in a medical report if the young man did not get to the USA for medical treatment that he may loose his life. A lot of acting was done by the young man, his mother, the doctor and others. He finally got to make that flight.

I do not remember if the agreement was he was to return to Mexico and face the charges later, or what arrangement was made. But I an sure this person and his family will not set foot in Mexico again.

They paid big money also to get the body out and medical bills that were not needed for the son. Either it was a ploy between the doctor and hospital and others to get more money, or the doctor was really a great individual.

When traveling to Mexico, remember this. If you get thrown in prison you are not treated humanely like you would in a prison in the USA. The prison systems in Mexico are underfunded and not well managed and ran. The attorneys, to the prison guards and everyone are all on the take. Your misfortune in the eyes of many in Mexico may just be a way to extract more money when you really need help.

This family I am sure will have to pay to get him out of prison. I know other people who have gone to prison there and it was not about finding him guilty or not in the end. It was how much the family was willing to pay to get him out of jail.

As in the case of the ammo truck driver, and possibly in this case. Pressure from the USA and publicity can put pressure on Mexico to release them.

As in the case of this being a bird gun and a relic, and doing what he thought was correct, Mexican officials can manipulate anything to make an extra dollar. Make this look like it belongs in the category of a high powered assault weapon only available to the police or miltary. Try fighting the drug cartels with one of these, LOL.
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Dec 12, 2012
 
I entered this thread to say something "conciliatory" and sensible, but then I read this:
The State Department must do more in this case and work incessantly until Jon is reunited with his family in South Florida,”[B]Ros-Lehtinen[/B] said in a statement.
This is the Cuban-American right-wing representative that always claims for "thought meassures" against any purported "enemy of America"?

Tell her to wait seated.
Sirius

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Dec 12, 2012
 
Ohio Wrangler wrote:
These arrests should have been handled by Obama calling the President of Mexico and asking if he is our ally or enemy?
This is obviously a more serious case than that of the African-American trucker... this wacko has a face of "true American", even he resembles Jason Bourne, or something.
XD XD XD
Mexico is Mexico, has its own laws and we decide when he could go.
Got it?
Sirius

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Dec 12, 2012
 
Regarding of your question if "Mexico is enemy or ally" from a point of view it is neither.

We could be "partner", or even "friends", if you like it.
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Dec 12, 2012
 
Sirius wrote:
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This is obviously a more serious case than that of the African-American trucker... this wacko has a face of "true American", even he resembles Jason Bourne, or something.
XD XD XD
Mexico is Mexico, has its own laws and we decide when he could go.
Got it?
Did you read what kind of gun he had. He even brought papers for it. It was really not a threat to anyone. Even Jason Bourne could not fend off a bunch of military, federal police or Narcos with heavy weaponry. Well maybe in the movies. The thing is the punishment he is receiving is much to harsh for what has happened. If this is Mexico then it might be wise for people from anywhere to stay out of Mexico.

The prisons are run by the Narcos. My neighbor is a retired school teacher here in Mexico, and she was getting threatening calls to put money in a numbered account or there will be serious injuries or death that will befall her family. She is a retired school teacher here in Chihuahua. A Mexican citizen. She traced the number back and it is coming from a prison in Mexico. Many people are getting these calls here.

The types of things that are being done to him, and the threats to family or he will be killed, then putting him on the phone to beg them to pay for his life is the problem. That puts Mexico in the stone age when it comes to human rights. If this type of treatment was being afforded to Mexican prisoners in the USA Mexico would not hesitate to express their outrage. They get upset if a Mexican is in the USA illegally, commits a murder and does not reach their embassy immediately. But their life's are not in danger either. There is no money to be made under the table by US agents or government like in Mexico.

If the reverse happened in the USA what would your opinion be of the USA? Many of the criminals that are caught here are deported and serve short sentences before doing so. Mexican citizens express their outrage when a person has been deported after committing a crime, and then returns to be face being deported again.

With your attitude I would recommend that no persons go to Mexico for vacations. Because you know as well as I do that charges are trumped up to extort money.

To me he has the face of an all American clean cut young man. You are being as judgmental as the people that are being rude and racist. He has no tattoo's on his face. Does not look like a gang banger or a derelict, and obviously has the funds to go on a long vacation and stay awhile. Sounds like someone that has worked things out in spite of all the turmoils that war has thrown at him. Now Jason Bourne would not have post stress syndrome. This guy does because he had a heart and the war got to him. Did you read what everybody that knows him has said about hi
Sirius

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Dec 12, 2012
 
Did you read what kind of gun he had. He even brought papers for it. It was really not a threat to anyone.
Yes, I read what kind of weapon did he introduced to the country, and I agree that is a relic and sporting weapon.
I personally believe he will be released soon, if I cannot know exactly when.
The rest I will commment later.

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Surely you remember the case of a French women that was encarcerated because was associated with kidnappings here. Sarkozy put pressure. Came and went, and that woman still is not out.

This other case look very different, and as I say, my guess is that he will be realeased soon. But not for the preassure of a right-wing Cuban. Just that.

Regards.
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Dec 12, 2012
 
Sirius wrote:
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Yes, I read what kind of weapon did he introduced to the country, and I agree that is a relic and sporting weapon.
I personally believe he will be released soon, if I cannot know exactly when.
The rest I will commment later.
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Surely you remember the case of a French women that was incarcerated because was associated with kidnappings here. Sarkozy put pressure. Came and went, and that woman still is not out.
This other case look very different, and as I say, my guess is that he will be released soon. But not for the pressure of a right-wing Cuban. Just that.
Regards.
I agree the other is a very different case. She has not been able to prove innocence. It is a tricky one. This guy obviously did something wrong. But sticking him in a population of murderers, could almost be worse then putting a prisoner in with a pack of wild wolves. The wolves would not reach out of the prison and intimidate other people, taunt and put unnecessary stress on them while they are already depressed. The death might be quicker with wolves and less torture.

They should know better then to put him in with prisoners like that. Nobody in their right mind would do that, or anybody who cared.

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