McCain Says GOP Hurt By Immigration Fight

[Monorprise]

TORCHWOOD wrote:

<quoted text> Interesting concept.

Un-fortunately it’s in fixing the wrong problem. The problem is not how to practically fix the immigration mess, but fix the political mess that is preventing and discouraging the immigration mess from being fixed.

[TORCHWOOD]

Monorprise wrote:

<quoted text>Un-fortunately it’s in fixing the wrong problem. The problem is not how to practically fix the immigration mess, but fix the political mess that is preventing and discouraging the immigration mess from being fixed.

Like what do you suggest? And please don't throw in amnesty.

[Monorprise]

TORCHWOOD wrote:

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Like what do you suggest? And please don't throw in amnesty.

haha I would never subject or support Amnesty as part of the practical solution.
The problem is politically we cant get to any practical solution, because its getting killed at the ballot box.

We have to figure out why, and deal with it, I have some idea, as to why, and some possible ways to help deal with it, but there just my ideas, and I don’t pretend to know everything.

As for my ideas: I think the illegal’s are voting, as such the only way to actually get at this, is to target voting specifically and demand enforcement of existing laws with in our own states to be absolute sure there is no way they could possibly vote if their not a Citizen of their your state and the United States.
In targeting voting specifically we would have to implement a adversary tactic as to keep theses same groups from matching and countering our efforts.

Anther possibility is that this is in fact a result of our own anger, causing many of us to just sit out, and effetely sending the wrong message:
The Solution to that possibility is quite simple, DON’T SIT OUT!

The 3rd possibility is that we don’t in fact understand the American electorate and most Americans don’t want border enforcement:
Our only recourse here is to campaign for it, informing them of the necessity for a security border for the existents of a govern nation.

The fact is I don’t know for sure what is causing this electoral phenomenon, theses 3 possibilities are just that possibilities. We have to figure that out what it is and implement the solution, otherwise this is all academic.

I’ve been trying to work problem out my self, and from what I’ve been able to come up with so far, in support of the first possibility, is that many States have same day registration, this could easly be frauded by an illegal alien, to effectively vote in an election, and its still possible that the checking process State voter registrations uses isn’t actually ruling them out.
This means that it’s possible that we have large numbers of illegal’s voting swaying the electorate, but it doesn’t prove in it self that this is the problem.

[TORCHWOOD]

Monorprise wrote:

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haha I would never subject or support Amnesty as part of the practical solution.
The problem is politically we cant get to any practical solution, because its getting killed at the ballot box.
We have to figure out why, and deal with it, I have some idea, as to why, and some possible ways to help deal with it, but there just my ideas, and I don’t pretend to know everything.
As for my ideas: I think the illegal’s are voting, as such the only way to actually get at this, is to target voting specifically and demand enforcement of existing laws with in our own states to be absolute sure there is no way they could possibly vote if their not a Citizen of their your state and the United States.
In targeting voting specifically we would have to implement a adversary tactic as to keep theses same groups from matching and countering our efforts.
Anther possibility is that this is in fact a result of our own anger, causing many of us to just sit out, and effetely sending the wrong message:
The Solution to that possibility is quite simple, DON’T SIT OUT!
The 3rd possibility is that we don’t in fact understand the American electorate and most Americans don’t want border enforcement:
Our only recourse here is to campaign for it, informing them of the necessity for a security border for the existents of a govern nation.
The fact is I don’t know for sure what is causing this electoral phenomenon, theses 3 possibilities are just that possibilities. We have to figure that out what it is and implement the solution, otherwise this is all academic.
I’ve been trying to work problem out my self, and from what I’ve been able to come up with so far, in support of the first possibility, is that many States have same day registration, this could easly be frauded by an illegal alien, to effectively vote in an election, and its still possible that the checking process State voter registrations uses isn’t actually ruling them out.
This means that it’s possible that we have large numbers of illegal’s voting swaying the electorate, but it doesn’t prove in it self that this is the problem.

Agreed voter ID is absolutely necessary as there has been proof positive that illegal aliens vote like Santa Ana. It is easy to show your ID and then vote. I heard of a story where a voter registrar stepped out to smoke and saw a van load of illegal aliens dropped off and they came in and then went down to the next polling station and did the same thing. Because that registrar called her friend to verify if that had happened to her friend and it had happened. Sort of sounds like Chicago with all the dead people voting.

[Val]

Let's send all the candidates to Mexico. We are fighting the fire ants moving north, why can't we fight the aliens moving north? I was a lifelong republican. I am now an independent. Neither party represents ME. When will they put "None of the above" on the ballot?

[TORCHWOOD]

Val wrote:

Let's send all the candidates to Mexico. We are fighting the fire ants moving north, why can't we fight the aliens moving north? I was a lifelong republican. I am now an independent. Neither party represents ME. When will they put "None of the above" on the ballot?

So true! I understand!

[Monorprise]

Val wrote:

Let's send all the candidates to Mexico. We are fighting the fire ants moving north, why can't we fight the aliens moving north? I was a lifelong republican. I am now an independent. Neither party represents ME. When will they put "None of the above" on the ballot?

Honestly I’d like My State to:
1: Remove the Party ticket from the ballot all together.
2: In each office insert a "I don't know" option.

The reason I would like to have this done is people should not vote for people they know nonthing about, in elections they know nonthing about and should be given the clear choice to obtain from voting, with out marking down nonthing.


To that end, No one should be able to simply vote a party ticket, simply because that supports the institution of the political party as a policy making instrument which the political party never should have been anything more than a loses ideological alliance.

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TORCHWOOD wrote:

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Agreed voter ID is absolutely necessary as there has been proof positive that illegal aliens vote like Santa Ana. It is easy to show your ID and then vote. I heard of a story where a voter registrar stepped out to smoke and saw a van load of illegal aliens dropped off and they came in and then went down to the next polling station and did the same thing. Because that registrar called her friend to verify if that had happened
to her friend and it had happened. Sort of sounds like Chicago with all the dead people voting.

There was a time when you had to PROVE you had the right to register to vote before you could. ID to vote is a good start, better yet is proving you have that Right to registor to begin with. Before the next election every citizen should have to reregistor suppling proof you have the Right. Then have to show ID at the polls. There should also be a very good reason for an mailing in your ballot. That's another way to weed out fraud. We have to show a good reason to be released from jury duty why not going to the polls.
What's wrong with having to proof you have the Right to registor to vote before you actually do vote? By the time you get to the polls it's alittle late to worry about if you have the Right to be there.

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