Tea Partiers Are Entirely Ignorant About the Federal Taxes They Oppose: Bruce Bartlett

Mar 19, 2010 | Posted by: SeminoleJack | Full story: www.newser.com

In a recent survey of anti-tax activists in Washington Tuesday, tea partiers thought, on average, that 42% of GDP goes to federal taxes.

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“Conservative not Republican”

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Bruce Bartlett is not fair in his writing of this piece.

First point; Tea party is a grass roots group of regular Americans, working people for the most part that are fed up with how our political system has evolved and how our politicians use the system to control the citizenry. Tea Partiers read and hear speeches when they can and retain the facts as best they can but are by no means professional in nature. Political writers and politicians have an advantage, in that, they make their living chasing tax dollars, therefore it is something they study and info that they manipulate daily. Tea Partiers, being a working class group, every member cannot be expected to be precise in giving answers regarding tax matters.

Point two; That being said, 42% is not that far off base. Our employers match deductions that are taken from our pay and are forced to pay that matching tax amount to the Fed. If you make $1000 per week and $175 is withheld as Fed withholding, your employer is matching with another $175 not to mention SS, MC and State Tax. When an employer decides to create a new job, if he is intending to cut a gross check of $1000 for that position each week, he knows that to be able to cover the matching "contributions" (Now there is a silly word, He is forced at gunpoint to send the "contribution") and benefits, He will need $1500 to create that new position, so therefore your actual compensation for that position is $1500. OK now the employee has his (+-)$700 net from the $1500 gross, Now he is faced with property tax, Ad velorum Tax, Sales tax, Sin Tax (cigarettes, Alcohol) motel tax, Fuel tax, Excise tax, etc. get the point? I know not all of these are federal taxes, but still it is easy to make a case that 42% of GDP does indeed go to taxes, even for a grass root, everyday working, tea party supporting American such as myself. Regardless of the perfection or imperfection that the answer to a question posed to a TP'er may be, the fact remains that we are fed up with being Taxed to death and our "freedom" controlled by Washington policies. I predict a revolution if our leaders don't begin to listen and restore our freedom. We have reached a boiling point.

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Well, you had to go and spoil your "purdy" speech with this link. Any support of a homicidal mental case makes anything you say irrelevant.
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Mar 20, 2010
 
It is fast approaching the point where I don't want to elect anyone stupid enough to want the job.

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He was not a mental case. He was an ordinary individual that had all he could take. Similar to the original tea party at Boston. Or the Rebels that succeeded from the union. I have read what Joe Stack had to say. We are all being pushed to the brink just like he was. Boiling point of water is 212 degrees, what is your? Have you ever reached it? Joe Stack did. I don't support his actions but I didn't walk in his shoes either.
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An oppressive government is more to be feared than a tiger.

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Mar 20, 2010
 
My original comment was to give a differing point of view that the writer Bruce Bartlett about the ignorance of Tea Partiers. If you want to read the manifesto of Joe Stack (not a Tea Partier) Here is the link:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/02/18/raw-data...
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Mar 20, 2010
 
The people shouldn't be afraid of their government, The government should be afraid of its people.
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Mar 20, 2010
 
space monkey wrote:
The people shouldn't be afraid of their government, The government should be afraid of its people.
Has anyone else had just about enough of this Charlie Chan shit?
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Dammit Boy wrote:
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Has anyone else had just about enough of this Charlie Chan shit?
Yep.
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Mar 20, 2010
 
Keep it up, Space Monkey, if that's the way you like to express yourself. Will you add the author of the quote, too, please.:)
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Grinning wrote:
Keep it up, Space Monkey, if that's the way you like to express yourself. Will you add the author of the quote, too, please.:)
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Do we have to be published to create quotes? I have one - Can an old dog learn new tricks? "Perhaps" - if it is willing to take lessons from a Cat.

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If you can't run with the big dogs and you don't want to stay on the porch, can't you run with something else?
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Turk Myrtle Beach wrote:
If you can't run with the big dogs and you don't want to stay on the porch, can't you run with something else?
Yep. I can fly with the Eagles & watch your dog fights from another perpesctive.
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The difference between a mountain and a molehill is your perspective.(Al Neuharth)

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Half of American's don't pay any income tax. Sure they have it deducted from their pay but when they file, they get it all back. AND if they qualify for the earned income tax credit then they get thousands back more than they paid in. It's no where near 42%. I make a good income and don't qualify for any low income tax breaks, etc but I don't pay anywhere near 42%. I say its about half that. By the way, Social Security is not a tax. It is an disability insurance/retirement supplemental program. You will get back what you paid in unless of course you die before you can collect. But then that's how insurance works. Main problem with SSA solvency has been failure to adjust the retirement age appropriatly (upward)in relation to longevity.
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ZIAflintstoner wrote:
Half of American's don't pay any income tax. Sure they have it deducted from their pay but when they file, they get it all back. AND if they qualify for the earned income tax credit then they get thousands back more than they paid in. It's no where near 42%. I make a good income and don't qualify for any low income tax breaks, etc but I don't pay anywhere near 42%. I say its about half that. By the way, Social Security is not a tax. It is an disability insurance/retirement supplemental program. You will get back what you paid in unless of course you die before you can collect. But then that's how insurance works. Main problem with SSA solvency has been failure to adjust the retirement age appropriatly (upward)in relation to longevity.
when you add in sin taxes and fuel taxes, we're all getting soaked pretty good. also, as fars as ssa is concerned, hasn't congress 'boorowed' from the fund and not paid it back?

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I pay very little "sin" taxes but fuel taxes are used for highways so its really a use tax.

SS has been nothing more than a cheap source of debt, which has gone unnoticed for years. You probably saw those IOUs are now being called. I personally believe most Americans believe their tax rates are really much higher than reality. Our tax rates do need to return to the 1993 rates imposed by Clinton/Dem Congress. Those rates led to a few years of annual budget surpluses before Bush cut them and we went back to annual deficits again.

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ZIAflintstoner wrote:
I pay very little "sin" taxes but fuel taxes are used for highways so its really a use tax.
SS has been nothing more than a cheap source of debt, which has gone unnoticed for years. You probably saw those IOUs are now being called. I personally believe most Americans believe their tax rates are really much higher than reality. Our tax rates do need to return to the 1993 rates imposed by Clinton/Dem Congress. Those rates led to a few years of annual budget surpluses before Bush cut them and we went back to annual deficits again.
The total taxes that are paid by each working and spending person is much greater than most people realize. I have read "The Fair Tax" book. It paints a clear picture. Even those that are collecting other peoples money through the EIC are giving it all back plus. "The Fair Tax" book explains how embedded taxes work. Corporations pay no taxes, they pass them along to the working class, they are "embedded in the cost of every thing that has a price. Over 23% of the cost of everything that is bought taxes and that is before the salesperson adds the sales tax.

http://www.fairtax.org
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Turk Myrtle Beach wrote:
He was not a mental case. He was an ordinary individual that had all he could take. Similar to the original tea party at Boston. Or the Rebels that succeeded from the union. I have read what Joe Stack had to say. We are all being pushed to the brink just like he was. Boiling point of water is 212 degrees, what is your? Have you ever reached it? Joe Stack did. I don't support his actions but I didn't walk in his shoes either.
Yeah umm ... Al Qaeda believes their actions were justified too. I'm astonished that less than 10 years after 9/11, there is a faction that thinks "Hey, that was a mighty fine idea, right there, that mass murder via airplane. That was really an effective strategy, I think we should try that."

If you believe you are being pushed to the brink like Joe Stack was ... please stay away from the incendiary messages that make you feel that way. The Becks and the Limbaughs are America's extremist Imams. Just take a break from them for a while, take deep healing breaths, and remember everything that is great about this country.

Don't let America turn into the kind of place that glorifies terrorists as martyrs, please.
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Mar 21, 2010
 
What would the framers do? The Tree of Liberty must needs be watered with the blood of patriots from time to time. Were our founding fathers terrorists? I think tea was pitched in the harbor for a lot less taxation. The government has forgotten who its master is. The government is the servant of the people, not the people that slaves of her government. When our government stood by when Watts, Detroit, Liberty City etc burned, she turned our county into something far worse than that little plane. Look at the murder of WW1 veterans who demanded their pensions in Washington. This is the government that you support? At what point do freedom loving people cast off the yoke of tyranny and be justified? Just because there are great things about this country doesn't mean we should accept the unacceptable.

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