Dems: We are better off than four years ago

[Smart Liberal]

Go Blue wrote:

<quoted text>Democrats aren't into the war on poor people, as much as republicans.....

You are right as rain there Blue.

Republicans hate the poor people. They want everyone to be rich. They want everyone to succeed and achieve to their highest potential.

Democrats - on the other hand - love the poor people because they can control them by controlling their food, housing, medical, transportation, and jobs opportunities. The more poor there are, the happier the Democrats are. That just means more government bureaucrats and government union members to control those poor people and rule over them.

So, if you want to stay poor, support your local Democrat.

[TonyT1961]

McGruff wrote:

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yes and you take billions more in welfare payment. Over 2 million in both CA and NY are on welfare. In KY about 600k. So what cost more? 2 million or 600k? Which one gets the higher benefit?
So thanks for telling us you make double but your housing cost more than double. Did you forget to mention your taxes are much much much higher as well. So here in KY I can buy a lot more house than you can. I have seen some of those 800 sq ft houses in CA that sell for $1 million or $800k. Here they are about $50k. It isn't what you make nitwit. It is what you can buy and get to keep. So go back to your 800 sq ft shack and figure up how much tax you owe.

Just to let you knw - the type of houseI could buy outright cash you could never even afford with the wages in your state - and I'm a firm believer you get what you pay for - I have a beautiful home on the shore line of Long Island - you have trailer parks and mountains used for coal mining. Keep what you have - I'm very good where I am!

And I can afford it - and save!

Sucks 2 B U!

[anneutral]

xxxrayted wrote:

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You asked what lies I was referring to, and I provided an answer. Simple as that.

so you're saying that you trust a website with no verifiable facts?
wow.
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how sad for you.

[Smart Liberal]

TonyT1961 wrote:

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Just to let you knw - the type of houseI could buy outright cash you could never even afford with the wages in your state - and I'm a firm believer you get what you pay for - I have a beautiful home on the shore line of Long Island - you have trailer parks and mountains used for coal mining. Keep what you have - I'm very good where I am!
And I can afford it - and save!
Sucks 2 B U!

No, your double wide in Wyandanch just got repossesed and your credit at the Super 8 is all used up. Good luck to you sonny.

[McGruff]

TonyT1961 wrote:

<quoted text>You're entirely correct. The so called "liberal" states pay more to the federal government than they get - the opposite is true of red states, especially Mississippi and Kentucky;

http://taxfoundation.org :81/article/federal-spending-r eceived-dollar-taxes-paid-stat e-2005

As you and McPuff can clearly see, the 6 of 10 southern states mentioned before, including Kentucky, receive more back in federal funding than they pay / meanwhile, California gets $.79 for every dollar, New York gets $.78 for every dollar.

The red states are the parasites of this country. PERIOD!

then you should be happy. You shouldn't get back what you put in. That is called wealth re-distribution and obammy is your man. So enjoy.

[cantmakeitup]

This bears repeating:

Banks are still closing, foreclosures are still rampant, jobs are vanishing daily or being exported to Asia, retirement funds are stagnant or worse, small business loans are almost impossible to obtain, illegal aliens are still flooding across the southern border, thugs and gang bangers are taking over the inner cities and bleeding in to the suburbs, our civil rights are being picked away at daily, we are still dependent on oil from despots and savage dictators, Guantanamo is still in business, we are still at war in the middle east. And as usual, we are still faced with a choice between Beelzebub and Lucifer in November. Yeah, things are just ducky.

[McGruff]

TonyT1961 wrote:

<quoted text>Do you even understand how welfare is ditributed? Obviously not - fcuking trailer trash.

The feds only reeinburse 30% of welfare in my state - the other 70% WE PAY! INCLUDING ADDING ENOUGH IN TAX DIOLLARS TO CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR LITTLE SHITTY STATE!

You say 600,000 i your state are on welfare? You have just over 4,369,000 residents in your state - of that number, 20.8% are on welfare or some type of federal assistance;

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000...

How many people live in New York? 19,465,000 dip shyt - and only 1.4 million are on some type of assistance;

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000...

Real BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE McPuff!

We only move down south AFTER we've retired, made our money, and spend it WISELY! And the south may not like us Yankee, but you sure do depend - DEPEND on our hard earned money!

So we support your funky azzes when we work - and we support you when we retire!

You southerners would be in deep shyt without us!

months ones moving her are ghetto welfare bums from Chicago. Their check takes the further here.

And yes there is a big difference in that NY has over 2 million getting welfare from the federal gov and KY has 600k. New York thus spends almost 3 tomes more of US taxpayers dollars on welfare. Just like I said.

You have never supported me. But I thought liberals liked paying for welfar bums? Are you saying you don't? Then you need to contact the obammy campaign and tell them you are against that or you may want to vote for Romney.

[McGruff]

TonyT1961 wrote:

<quoted text>Do you even understand how welfare is ditributed? Obviously not - fcuking trailer trash.

The feds only reeinburse 30% of welfare in my state - the other 70% WE PAY! INCLUDING ADDING ENOUGH IN TAX DIOLLARS TO CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR LITTLE SHITTY STATE!

You say 600,000 i your state are on welfare? You have just over 4,369,000 residents in your state - of that number, 20.8% are on welfare or some type of federal assistance;

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000...

How many people live in New York? 19,465,000 dip shyt - and only 1.4 million are on some type of assistance;

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000...

Real BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE McPuff!

We only move down south AFTER we've retired, made our money, and spend it WISELY! And the south may not like us Yankee, but you sure do depend - DEPEND on our hard earned money!

So we support your funky azzes when we work - and we support you when we retire!

You southerners would be in deep shyt without us!

I do now our crime rates were a lot less before the Chicago people came. Now our jails are filled with them.

[McGruff]

Smart Liberal wrote:

<quoted text>You are right as rain there Blue.

Republicans hate the poor people. They want everyone to be rich. They want everyone to succeed and achieve to their highest potential.

Democrats - on the other hand - love the poor people because they can control them by controlling their food, housing, medical, transportation, and jobs opportunities. The more poor there are, the happier the Democrats are. That just means more government bureaucrats and government union members to control those poor people and rule over them.

So, if you want to stay poor, support your local Democrat.

really? Listen to Tony. He hates poor people and he is liberal.

[McGruff]

TonyT1961 wrote:

<quoted text>Just to let you knw - the type of houseI could buy outright cash you could never even afford with the wages in your state - and I'm a firm believer you get what you pay for - I have a beautiful home on the shore line of Long Island - you have trailer parks and mountains used for coal mining. Keep what you have - I'm very good where I am!

And I can afford it - and save!

Sucks 2 B U!

yea right. I have how much housing there cost. I see what rent is there. It eats your higher wages up.

[McGruff]

TonyT1961 wrote:

<quoted text>Just to let you knw - the type of houseI could buy outright cash you could never even afford with the wages in your state - and I'm a firm believer you get what you pay for - I have a beautiful home on the shore line of Long Island - you have trailer parks and mountains used for coal mining. Keep what you have - I'm very good where I am!

And I can afford it - and save!

Sucks 2 B U!

I am great where I am. I doing great and I bought a much larger home here than I could have in NY even if I made double up there.

[Go Blue]

..........Grama and Grampa saw on their television, that they weren't an acceptable part of Mitt Romney's America....he said he was'nt concerned with them, they did'nt pay some tax or something, and they were a 47%....They just could'nt understand....They had survived the Great Depression and WW II....worked hard and raised their two sons....They had endured through Grama's arthritis and Grampa's bad ticker....All they wanted, was to live out their dwindling years, surviving on their meager life's savings and their social security......but, now they felt left out of the country they loved so much.....no place in Mitt Romney's America, for them.....

[McGruff]

Go Blue wrote:

..........Grama and Grampa saw on their television, that they weren't an acceptable part of Mitt Romney's America....he said he was'nt concerned with them, they did'nt pay some tax or something, and they were a 47%....They just could'nt understand....They had survived the Great Depression and WW II....worked hard and raised their two sons....They had endured through Grama's arthritis and Grampa's bad ticker....All they wanted, was to live out their dwindling years, surviving on their meager life's savings and their social security......but, now they felt left out of the country they loved so much.....no place in Mitt Romney's America, for them.....

that's not what he said nitwit.

[Slew]

Danny Westneat


Its interesting looking at the breakdown of the 46% who don't pay income taxes. 28%...(September 18, 2012, by mathematicallycorrect) MORE


So Mitt Romney thinks if you don't pay income taxes, then you're a handout-addicted moocher who can't take responsibility for bettering yourself.

Harsh. That's mean to say such a thing about Boeing.

Wait ... Boeing? That wasn't who Romney was talking about in his closed-door riff about how the freeloading 47 percent are dragging down this otherwise hardworking, Republican nation.

Yet it remains peskily true that in any accounting of who pays zilch to the federal enterprise, our aerospace superstar is at the top of a long list. In 2011, Boeing had no net income-tax liability for the fourth year in a row, despite $5.1 billion in profits.

I bring this up because Romney, in his foolish slighting of nearly half a nation he's trying to woo, blundered into one of my own hobbyhorses. Namely, that not enough people in this country pay income taxes.

And by "people," I graciously include our newest citizens, the corporations.

Last year, I did a series of columns about who doesn't pay income taxes, and why this hurts both democracy and the federal balance sheet. The zero club included Boeing all the way down to a Seattle ship worker making five figures who revealed his income taxes somehow went below zero — meaning the government was paying him to live here.

"How on earth can a country operate this way?" the ship worker wondered, sensibly.

What's so off-putting about Romney's take on this is whom he blames: You. Well, about half of you. The 47 percent who pay no income taxes "believe they are victims," he said, and so have become wards of the state.

"I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives," he said.

Now clearly he's talking about a lot more than taxes here. His comments were a grab bag of right-wing gripes about how the other half is soft and on the dole.

But the sharp dividing line between who is a maker and who is a taker appears to be if you paid income taxes (that's where the 47 percent figure comes from — it's the count of how many Americans have no net income-tax liability.)

One conservative movement last year took up this cry by saying, "We are the 53 percent." Meaning, we are the producers in this land of slackers.

But these formulations are bogus. Obviously, Boeing is no deadbeat — the company is a jobs factory right now and pumps $1 billion a week into the economy. That ship worker was no layabout either. The reason he had less than zero tax liability is because he supported two kids, as well his wife who was in college — both of which made him eligible for big tax credits.

The point being: It's not really our fault we no longer pay, Mitt. It's your party's fault. And a reckless Congress. They are the ones that keep slashing taxes, and larding up the tax code with so many special-interest loopholes, that tens of millions of people, and thousands of corporations, have fallen off the income-tax rolls in the past decade.

Most people pay plenty of other taxes, including payroll taxes. But this debate is about the general income tax, which is crucial to whether the nation can pay its bills.

It makes no sense that a candidate who wants to cut income taxes even further would be aggrieved by people not paying. Wasn't that the goal?

On the flip side, if the point is that most everyone should have some skin in the game, then there's only one thing to be done about that: Raise taxes! On Boeing and the ship worker and many in between.




Amazing that such a fringe view now has become the platform, unofficially and behind closed doors anyway, of one of our two major political parties.

[Slew]

McGruff wrote:

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that's not what he said nitwit.

According to your party, it's poetic license....

[redeemer]

McGruff wrote:

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really? Listen to Tony. He hates poor people and he is liberal.

You know that Tony is right,you redstater's are sucking
our country dry,you southern trash must be born and raise to love and serve the rich masters,you as-hole's parrott all of your masters talking points,you gotta hate unions,welfare,food stamps,washington,regulations that's even helping you to live longer,you think that a public school education and all of learning is indocrination(socialism) critical thinking is marxist.

[McGruff]

Slew wrote:

<quoted text>According to your party, it's poetic license....

according to the truth

[McGruff]

redeemer wrote:

<quoted text>You know that Tony is right,you redstater's are sucking
our country dry,you southern trash must be born and raise to love and serve the rich masters,you as-hole's parrott all of your masters talking points,you gotta hate unions,welfare,food stamps,washington,regulations that's even helping you to live longer,you think that a public school education and all of learning is indocrination(socialism) critical thinking is marxist.

well we are not but if we are then you should be happy or vote for Romney. Which will you do? Obammy plans am increase of the same. Romney plans less and more jobs. So you voting for Romney? Welcome aboard but I have to tell you that here amount republicans we operate differently than democrats. First we require you tell the truth. We don't allow class or identity politics. We don't care what your race is. You don't get extra credit for being a minority, or less. You are treated like everyone else. We don't distribute wealth. We don't attack on a personal level. We attack issues. And when we are stumped we don't call others a racist. We republicans love America and think it is great and has been for over two hundred years. We believe in freedom of the press and we don't try to influence the media or intimidate them. We believe that the constitution applies to every American regardless if you are poor, rich or in between. That the gov should treat all Americans exactly the same. That no group should ever get an advantage because of their skin color, the size of their bank account, or what party you belong to. These are just of the differences between us and liberals. So welcome aboard.

[Slew]

According to the truth ??? HAVE YOU READ IRISH LIAR'S POSTS ??? LMAOROtfu~!

Teacher's pay lie, Hmong village lie, Shanker made up quote, FBI New security staff lie, Sanduski party lie, Crystal sugar lie, Obama socialist lie, and a host of others... LMAOROTFu~!

[xxxrayted]

TonyT1961 wrote:

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Do you even understand how welfare is ditributed? Obviously not - fcuking trailer trash.
The feds only reeinburse 30% of welfare in my state - the other 70% WE PAY! INCLUDING ADDING ENOUGH IN TAX DIOLLARS TO CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR LITTLE SHITTY STATE!
You say 600,000 i your state are on welfare? You have just over 4,369,000 residents in your state - of that number, 20.8% are on welfare or some type of federal assistance;
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000...
How many people live in New York? 19,465,000 dip shyt - and only 1.4 million are on some type of assistance;
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/21000...
Real BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE McPuff!
We only move down south AFTER we've retired, made our money, and spend it WISELY! And the south may not like us Yankee, but you sure do depend - DEPEND on our hard earned money!
So we support your funky azzes when we work - and we support you when we retire!
You southerners would be in deep shyt without us!

Red state-blue state, what's the difference? I would find the political affiliations of those receiving welfare more interesting than if the entire state votes a certain way. To say there are no liberals or Democrats in Kentucky is like saying there are no conservatives or Republicans in Vermont. Ridiculous.