Moms make case for gun control

Moms make case for gun control

There are 9248 comments on the usatoday.com story from Mar 16, 2013, titled Moms make case for gun control. In it, usatoday.com reports that:

Peg Paulson had never beaten a path through the halls of Congress before or met a U.S. senator's staffer or advocated for a controversial issue.

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#5183 Jul 30, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Correction, the government considers Hispanics to be white, when its convenient.
Mostly because Hispanics are mostly white.

Just like white people are mostly white.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#5184 Jul 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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By the way, SYG is nothing more than an expanded version of vigilantism.
Florida's SYG law has been expanded to allow drug pushers and other felons to use firearms to protect their turf.
I look forward to the next shoot out with two SYG'ers trying to kill each other, perhaps with some degree of success.
Of course, what will happen will stray bullets will kill a kid or two and the gun gnutters will come up with more excuses.
Greg, is that why a drug dealing gun nutter shot you because he was afraid?
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“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#5187 Jul 31, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You are full of cr@p.
The Castle doctrine has been around a long time.
SYG was created because white crackers were chasing after people they thought were burglars and killing them on the neighbor's front yards and then be forced to suffer the inconvenience of questioning and sometimes even trials.
Drug pushers and other felons love SYG because it allows them to defend themselves using the same excuse as "home owners"- I was scared and needed to kill him because I thought he might have a weapon!
And you are still a RACIST POS, I see.

SYG is nothing more than a modification to the Castle Doctrine by allowing people to defend themselves OUTSIDE the home.

And in the case you are eluding to, a homeowner went outside to confront several BURGLARS who were stealing stuff from his neighbor's house (not a bright idea, but also NOT illegal). When he approached the thieves, he was forced to defend himself when THEY PULLED A GUN ON HIM!

Your ignorance is especially tuned up today isn't it?

huntcoyotes

“gun control takes two hands”

Since: Mar 13

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#5188 Jul 31, 2013
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
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Correction, the government considers Hispanics to be white, when its convenient.
I'll go along with that...also,according to the GAO, 74% of illegals are unemployed, whaddoya think they're living on, greggy's taxes? lolololoolllololoololoooolol.. .<whew>...

“Antisocialistic”

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#5189 Jul 31, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>I'll go along with that...also,according to the GAO, 74% of illegals are unemployed, whaddoya think they're living on, greggy's taxes? lolololoolllololoololoooolol.. .<whew>...
Exactly! It amazes me the hoops liberals must jump through and the blinders they must wear to avoid such facts. You would think as lazy as they are, always wanting someone to take care of them, they would avoid that much effort to be blind. I guess they exhaust themselves with willful ignorance, so they don't have the energy to work and make a living.
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#5191 Jul 31, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
SYG is nothing more than a modification to the Castle Doctrine by allowing people to defend themselves OUTSIDE the home.
SYG has nothing to do with Castle.

SYG allows for pedophile and felons and drug dealers to have legal recourse when they pull the trigger anywhere in (for example) the state of Florida.

It allows someone to chase a person he thinks is a burglar (or pretends to be a burglar) and shoot them dead if they turn around and face them.

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#5192 Jul 31, 2013
huntcoyotes wrote:
<quoted text>I'll go along with that...also,according to the GAO, 74% of illegals are unemployed.
Made up numbers are lies.

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#5193 Jul 31, 2013
[QUOTE who="Armed Veteran"
And in the case you are eluding to, a homeowner went outside to confront several BURGLARS who were stealing stuff from his neighbor's house [/QUOTE]

They weren't armed, you m/f c/s lying limp-wristed fairy.

But we knew that already.

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#5194 Jul 31, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
And in the case you are eluding to, a homeowner went outside to confront several BURGLARS
TWO.

Two aren't several.

Unless you want to say you told several lies in one sentence?

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#5195 Jul 31, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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SYG has nothing to do with Castle.
SYG allows for pedophile and felons and drug dealers to have legal recourse when they pull the trigger anywhere in (for example) the state of Florida.
It allows someone to chase a person he thinks is a burglar (or pretends to be a burglar) and shoot them dead if they turn around and face them.
FL SYG statute:

776.012&#8195;Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:
(1)&#8195;He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2)&#8195;Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1188, ch. 97-102; s. 2, ch. 2005-27.

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#5196 Jul 31, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
And in the case you are eluding to, a homeowner went outside to confront several BURGLARS who were stealing stuff from his neighbor's house
The case I was referring tow was when a gun gnutter called the police, told him TWO burglars were leaving a neighbor's house, and he was going out to stop them with a shotgun and he wasn't going to wait for the cops.

Joe Horn:“I’ve got a shotgun; do you want me to stop them?”

The Pasadena emergency operator responded:“Nope. Don’t do that. Ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?”

Mr. Horn said:“But hurry up, man. Catch these guys will you? Cause, I ain’t going to let them go.”

Mr. Horn then said he would get his shotgun.

The operator said,“No, no.” But Mr. Horn said:“I can’t take a chance of getting killed over this, O.K.? I’m going to shoot.”

The operator told him not to go out with a gun because officers would be arriving.

“O.K.,” Mr. Horn said.“But I have a right to protect myself too, sir,” adding,“The laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it.”

The operator said,“You’re going to get yourself shot.” But Mr. Horn replied,“You want to make a bet? I’m going to kill them.”

Moments later he said,“Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.”

Then he said:“Move, you’re dead.”

There were two quick gunshots, then a third.

“I had no choice,” Mr. Horn said when he got back on the line with the dispatcher.“They came in the front yard with me, man.”

The 9-1-1 call ended about 80 seconds after the shots were fired, when officers arrived on the scene.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#5197 Jul 31, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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SYG has nothing to do with Castle.
SYG allows for pedophile and felons and drug dealers to have legal recourse when they pull the trigger anywhere in (for example) the state of Florida.
It allows someone to chase a person he thinks is a burglar (or pretends to be a burglar) and shoot them dead if they turn around and face them.
FL Castle Doctrine statute:

776.013&#8195;Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1)&#8195;A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a)&#8195;The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b)&#8195;The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2)&#8195;The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does NOT apply if:
(a)&#8195;The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b)&#8195;The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c)&#8195;The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d)&#8195;The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3)&#8195;A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4)&#8195;A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.
(5)&#8195;As used in this section, the term:
(a)&#8195;“Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b)&#8195;“Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c)&#8195;“Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.
History.—s. 1, ch. 2005-27.

Please point out the section where it allows pedophiles or felons to do anything in either of these two statutes.
Salty dog

Ogden, UT

#5198 Jul 31, 2013
Mom will change her silly mind real fast if she is ever confronted by a 6-foot, 200 lb thug. God made us unequal, with some strong and some quite weak. ThenSamuel Colt invented the six-shooter and corrected God's error. Guns are for the helpless to avoid being forcibly dominated by the strong.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#5199 Jul 31, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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TWO.
Two aren't several.
Unless you want to say you told several lies in one sentence?
Several meaning "more than one".

And I have yet to find an article saying these TWO were unarmed. If they weren't......my bad. However, every article I have found states where Horn claimed that the TWO came into his yard toward him after he had told them to stop.

And let's look at our two burglars here shall we. They were BOTH illegal immigrants from Columbia with rap sheets a mile f-ing long. One whom was deported back in 1999. Yeah....they needed dead.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#5200 Jul 31, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The case I was referring tow was when a gun gnutter called the police, told him TWO burglars were leaving a neighbor's house, and he was going out to stop them with a shotgun and he wasn't going to wait for the cops.
Joe Horn:“I’ve got a shotgun; do you want me to stop them?”
The Pasadena emergency operator responded:“Nope. Don’t do that. Ain’t no property worth shooting somebody over, O.K.?”
Mr. Horn said:“But hurry up, man. Catch these guys will you? Cause, I ain’t going to let them go.”
Mr. Horn then said he would get his shotgun.
The operator said,“No, no.” But Mr. Horn said:“I can’t take a chance of getting killed over this, O.K.? I’m going to shoot.”
The operator told him not to go out with a gun because officers would be arriving.
“O.K.,” Mr. Horn said.“But I have a right to protect myself too, sir,” adding,“The laws have been changed in this country since September the first, and you know it.”
The operator said,“You’re going to get yourself shot.” But Mr. Horn replied,“You want to make a bet? I’m going to kill them.”
Moments later he said,“Well here it goes, buddy. You hear the shotgun clicking and I’m going.”
Then he said:“Move, you’re dead.”
There were two quick gunshots, then a third.
“I had no choice,” Mr. Horn said when he got back on the line with the dispatcher.“They came in the front yard with me, man.”
The 9-1-1 call ended about 80 seconds after the shots were fired, when officers arrived on the scene.
So in a nutshell:
1. Two bad guys are robbing good guy's neighbor.
2. Good guy confronts robbers outside.
3. Good guy tells bad guys to stop.
4. Bad guys advance on good guy holding shotgun.
5. Bad guys suddenly suffer a real bad case of lead poisoning.

I just LOVE happy endings.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum !!”

Since: Dec 07

Southeast Virginia

#5201 Jul 31, 2013
Correction: burglarizing the good guy's neighbor's house......Good guy confronts BURGLARS outside.
xxxrayted

Brook Park, OH

#5202 Jul 31, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>Wait until the 50% of Americans who are obese and UNINSURED start going to the Dr. or the ER because they are having heart attacks, strokes, diabetic comas, limbs amputated....all on the backs of tax paying, insurance card carrying Americans. The cost will not be in the billions but in the trillions and that's straight from doctors in the AMA.
You should be grateful for the Affordable Care Act but your hatred of the black man who created it won't allow you to use your common sense. That seems to be a common flaw in republicans.
How many stories would you like me to post about how ObamaCare is draining everybody dry? Not only that, but causing employers to cut full-time workers to part-time?

It has nothing to do with being black, it has to do with the socialist plan being a complete failure. Even DumBama knows it. Why do you think he held off the Employer Mandate until after the next election? Because it's such a good idea?

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#5203 Jul 31, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
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How many stories would you like me to post about how ObamaCare is draining everybody dry? Not only that, but causing employers to cut full-time workers to part-time?
It has nothing to do with being black, it has to do with the socialist plan being a complete failure. Even DumBama knows it. Why do you think he held off the Employer Mandate until after the next election? Because it's such a good idea?
just like Social Security.

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#5204 Jul 31, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
Correction: burglarizing the good guy's neighbor's house......Good guy confronts BURGLARS outside.
You forgot you told us that they were armed?

Did you forget you told us they were SEVERAL guys?

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#5205 Jul 31, 2013
Armed Veteran wrote:
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FL Castle Doctrine statute:
776.013&#8195;Home protection;
Castle has nothing to do with SYG.

Florida SYG allows FELONS a defense in killings just as everyone else.

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