Americans Divided On Health Care Ruling

Americans Divided On Health Care Ruling

There are 63 comments on the TheDenverChannel story from Jun 29, 2012, titled Americans Divided On Health Care Ruling. In it, TheDenverChannel reports that:

Thursday's Supreme Court ruling upholding President Barack Obama's health care law has Americans divided, according to the first survey following the landmark decision.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at TheDenverChannel.

Since: Sep 08

Huntsville, AL

#21 Jun 30, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote: "
A new poll reveals that Americans are evenly split on the Supreme Court's health care decision -- and that, unsurprisingly, opinions are closely tied to political party.
The USA Today/Gallup poll found that 46 percent of respondents agree with the court's ruling that the law is Constitutional, while 46 percent disagree. Seventy-nine percent of Democrats back the high court's decision, while only 13 percent of Republicans do. Independents are divided, with 45 percent agreeing with the court and 42 percent disagreeing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-574640 ...
Wow, in a matter of hour, after the Supreme Court deemed the law that every unpatriotic right-wing nut screamed and shouted to be unconstitutional, CONSTITUTIONAL – the law went from being unpopular to popular among Independents, and evenly split among everyone else… WOW!"
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
"The USA TODAY/Gallup Poll of 1,012 adults has a margin of error of +/-4 percentage points."
So all your bluster about independents disappears in the margin of error.
LOL
How about this?.....
--By more than 2 to 1, those polled say politics played too great a role in the court's decision. That view is most frequently expressed by opponents of the decision — 80% of Republicans and 67% of independents say they feel that way, compared with 47% of Democrats.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/story...
So much fun poking holes in your self-proclaimed "perspicacity".
I fail to see any hole poking.

I heard the even though the poll was released on Friday, 1/2 the polling was done on 1/2 on Wednesday before the decision and 1/2 on Thursday night and a look at the Rep/Dem approval/disapproval of the court were damn near identical but flipped.
S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#22 Jun 30, 2012
PlacitasRoy wrote:
<quoted text>
Rasmussen is the polling arm of Fux-news and thypicaly give the Repukes about a 3% house advantage.
Even though the Fux-heads have been brainwashed by the $100 MILLION propaganda effort to demonize Obamacare....The FACT is REPUBLICANS SUPPORT OBAMA’S HEALTH REFORMS — AS LONG AS HIS NAME ISN’T ON THEM:
* Eighty percent of Republicans favor “creating an insurance pool where small businesses and uninsured have access to insurance exchanges to take advantage of large group pricing benefits.” That’s backed by 75 percent of independents.[...]
* Fifty two percent of Republicans favor “allowing children to stay on parents insurance until age 26.” That’s backed by 69 percent of independents.
* Seventy eight percent of Republicans support “banning insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions; 86 percent of Republicans favor “banning insurance companies from cancelling policies because a person becomes ill.” Those are backed by 82 percent of independents and 87 percent of independents.
* One provision that isn’t backed by a majority of Republicans: The one “expanding Medicaid to families with incomes less than $30,000 per year.”[They'd prefer the poor DIE!]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line ...
For your Info and edification.....

Rasmussen is an Independent Polling organization and has no affiliation with Fox, other than obtaining polling info -- as FNC does with Gallup, Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, Zogby, et al. Iffen you can prove otherwise, I await with bated breath...<wink>
S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#23 Jun 30, 2012
A short recap:

We elected a person from no where, with no experience in anything of consequence, let alone a modicum of understanding of economics 101 and how businesses work, and virtually everything about him sealed. The most unprepared and inexperienced president ever elected to he highest office in the world -- he has put a new meaning on the word -- Qualifications.

It's not the first time that a nation has jumped from the frying pan into the fire just for the sake of change.....

But I digress....

We now have Obamacare (ACA) on the horizon with the most unenlightened electorate that is completely devoid of understanding how this will effect each and every one of us, mostly made up of folks that never have been exposed or lived under socialised medicine. The elderly take the biggest hit with care being denied them by bureaucrats providing norms for the aged, rather than medical providers --- Rationing and lack of quality care is at the forefront, as it is in Canada and the UK. Brought about by the influx of the masses and qualified doctors that will not participate -- plus the horrendous cost and burden to the taxpayers to pay more and more taxes....Is it no wonder that congress and the president have EXEMPTED themselves from this wonderful blessing befalling the rest of us on the plantation...hmmm

http://truthontarget.blogspot.com/2012/06/hig ...

Not that our current system couldn't be improved -- first by allowing insurance companies to cross border states in competition, and of course, the lack of "tort reform," which accounts for the majority of escalating high medical costs in this country.

To equate the ACA with Canada or the UK's systems is not only blatantly naive, but worse. by allowing the govt. tentacles to reach into our personal freedoms and financial privacy that has nothing to do with actual health care.

A brief example of where we are now vs the later.....

"A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided veryinteresting statistics from a survey by the United Nations InternationalHealth Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:

U.S. 65%

England 46%

Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who receivedtreatment within six months:

U.S. 93%

England 15%

Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received itwithin six months:

U.S. 90%

England 15%

Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one withinone month:

U.S. 77%

England 40%

Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per millionpeople:

U.S. 71

England 14

Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they arein "excellent health":

U.S. 12%

England 2%

Canada 6%"

To believe that anything good can come from government mismanagement and control of our lives, is indeed a fool.15 TRILLION in dept and raising as we speak and nothing is being done by this administration to quell their thirst for other peoples money. Europe is on the financial brink because of unbrideled entitlements that can no longer be sustained...a ticking time bomb that will bring down socialism once again as it has in the past....Guaranteed!.

Stay tuned.....

++++Free anything is a classic oxymoron++++.

Virginia Patriot

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#24 Jun 30, 2012
Greedy21 wrote:
<quoted text>
This law has already been upheld by the supreme court. A repeal will never pass the senate. In other words the law stays in place.
Only until the next administration abolishes it.
Mothra

Mesa, AZ

#25 Jun 30, 2012
PlacitasRoy wrote:
Marine Corp Pat wrote: "
A new poll reveals that Americans are evenly split on the Supreme Court's health care decision -- and that, unsurprisingly, opinions are closely tied to political party.
The USA Today/Gallup poll found that 46 percent of respondents agree with the court's ruling that the law is Constitutional, while 46 percent disagree. Seventy-nine percent of Democrats back the high court's decision, while only 13 percent of Republicans do. Independents are divided, with 45 percent agreeing with the court and 42 percent disagreeing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-574640 ...
Wow, in a matter of hour, after the Supreme Court deemed the law that every unpatriotic right-wing nut screamed and shouted to be unconstitutional, CONSTITUTIONAL – the law went from being unpopular to popular among Independents, and evenly split among everyone else… WOW!"
<quoted text> I fail to see any hole poking.
I heard the even though the poll was released on Friday, 1/2 the polling was done on 1/2 on Wednesday before the decision and 1/2 on Thursday night and a look at the Rep/Dem approval/disapproval of the court were damn near identical but flipped.
No doubt you "hear" all kinds of things. Try reading...

"The poll, taken Thursday after the high court's 5-4 ruling..."

btw, my comment 'shot a hole' in MCP's lauding the attitude of independents. First, that their support is consumed by the margin of error, and second by showing that the majority of independents showing "politics played too great a role in the court's decision", while less than half the Democrats felt the same way.

Sorry I can't explain it any or simpler for you, but some concepts cannot be dumbed down to your level.
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#26 Jun 30, 2012
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
A short recap:
Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:
U.S. 65%
England 46%
Canada 42%
Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who receivedtreatment within six months:
U.S. 93%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received itwithin six months:
U.S. 90%
England 15%
Canada 43%
Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one withinone month:
U.S. 77%
England 40%
Canada 43%
Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per millionpeople:
U.S. 71
England 14
Canada 18
Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they arein "excellent health":
U.S. 12%
England 2%
Canada 6%"
Not only are we going to join the ranks of the medocre but it will cost us more to do it.
Xanadu

Austin, TX

#27 Jun 30, 2012
Would be cheaper not to buy insurance and just pay the tax at the end of the year. Get sick, go to the ER and get taxpayer paid healthcare, roughly 32 million illegal aliens do it all over America.
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#28 Jun 30, 2012
Xanadu wrote:
Would be cheaper not to buy insurance and just pay the tax at the end of the year. Get sick, go to the ER and get taxpayer paid healthcare, roughly 32 million illegal aliens do it all over America.
Yea, Obamacare is running the price up so much that you can take the money you would have to spend on health care use half the pay the fine and put the other half aside to pay cash for minor services then if you get really sick just sign up for health care they can not refuse you because of pre existing conditions.
Xanadu

Austin, TX

#29 Jun 30, 2012
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea, Obamacare is running the price up so much that you can take the money you would have to spend on health care use half the pay the fine and put the other half aside to pay cash for minor services then if you get really sick just sign up for health care they can not refuse you because of pre existing conditions.
They cannot decline you for pre existing condition or drop you if you get sick but they can charge whatever they want, no price controls. Basically, if you cannot afford the premiums then you do not have coverage and then are fined by the government.
My sister is self employed, makes decent money, is 35, and very healthy with no dependants. She pays $527.11 a month for health insurance, no dental or eyecare. Is not the cheapest and not the most expensive coverage she found but had the lowest deductables and copays. Annual deductable is $2,000 before insurance pays a single penny.$30.00 copay for general medical,$50.00 for a specialist. Major medical is 25% on her end for total cost. Prescription deductable is $500.00 before insurance pays a penny for a prescription.
Do the math, Before insurance pays anything on medical the insured has to cough up $8,325.32 a year and add in prescription then it is just under $9,000 a year.
Imagine some poor working stiff making min wage and even with the government stipend/subsidy the person is basically working to pay for their insurance.
What happens I wonder if one does not pay the tax/fine to the IRS? Do they rack up the interest and penalties and if you do nto pay they throw you in prison. Yay, America will have debtors prisons again.
billingrehab

Pottstown, PA

#30 Jun 30, 2012
Marine Corp Pat wrote:
A new poll reveals that Americans are evenly split on the Supreme Court's health care decision -- and that, unsurprisingly, opinions are closely tied to political party.
The USA Today/Gallup poll found that 46 percent of respondents agree with the court's ruling that the law is Constitutional, while 46 percent disagree. Seventy-nine percent of Democrats back the high court's decision, while only 13 percent of Republicans do. Independents are divided, with 45 percent agreeing with the court and 42 percent disagreeing.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-574640...
Wow, in a matter of hour, after the Supreme Court deemed the law that every unpatriotic right-wing nut screamed and shouted to be unconstitutional, CONSTITUTIONAL – the law went from being unpopular to popular among Independents, and evenly split among everyone else… WOW!
Another punch in the gut for these ignorant unpatriotic right-wing bastards, LOL.
It's called politics or business as usual. Or judicial activism if you wish.

Personally I think there was some horse trading amongst the justices. Back me here and I'll back you there. But in the end the justices are politicians. They have to campaign for the job. They need political recommendations and conformations and those equal favors & debts to be paid. Even if through third party intermediaries.
billingrehab

Pottstown, PA

#31 Jun 30, 2012
Since the issue got purposely convoluted in WHO will pay rather than dealing with the actual costs or the what, why and how much of health care this outcome shouldn't be a surprise.

Most people seem to forget that insurance has been an optional form of payment the health care industry, patients and insurance companies have exploited. In the mean time the actual costs literally get lost in the shuffle.
billingrehab

Pottstown, PA

#32 Jun 30, 2012
Xanadu wrote:
Would be cheaper not to buy insurance and just pay the tax at the end of the year. Get sick, go to the ER and get taxpayer paid healthcare, roughly 32 million illegal aliens do it all over America.
I agree any service to an ILLEGAL alien is a financial burden. But I have to wonder about the unpaid ER bills many seem to push. You have to remember that hospitals in particular will say they lost money as in they didn't get their normal corporate third party price gouging reimbursement. But did they ACTUALLY lose money or that much money. Does it really cost as much to sew a guy up from an accident as it does tp give antibotics to someone with the flu.
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#33 Jun 30, 2012
Re election 2012 the Obamageddon will begin.
1 post removed
billingrehab

Pottstown, PA

#35 Jun 30, 2012
Robert wrote:
Beginning in 2014, you will be required by law to have health insurance and to attach proof of insurance to your tax return.
If you fail to insure, you will be fined — with the penalty rising to $695 ($2,085 per family) in 2016 or 2.5% of your adjusted gross income, whichever is greater.
If your employer fails to offer you health insurance, your employer can be fined as much as $2,000 per employee per year.
Proof of insurance provides more intelligence & information that can be added to your government file.

And the ruling basically is another scoop in the entrenchment of the use of taxes as a wild card when all else fails.

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#36 Jun 30, 2012
Robert wrote:
Beginning in 2014, you will be required by law to have health insurance and to attach proof of insurance to your tax return.
If you fail to insure, you will be fined — with the penalty rising to $695 ($2,085 per family) in 2016 or 2.5% of your adjusted gross income, whichever is greater.
If your employer fails to offer you health insurance, your employer can be fined as much as $2,000 per employee per year.
Please quote the source of this information. Is it credible?

“It's Time to Defeat Terrorism ”

Since: May 11

NYC

#37 Jun 30, 2012
Most American states will stand up to the Obama communist dictator regime and will not cooperate in trashing the American constitution and denying the freedom and liberty of every American. Obama is assuming that the American people are so naive and ignorant that they will never realize that their constitution, freedom and liberty were trashed by the sold-out Roberts who caved in to Obama furious threats. However, very soon American will start to see that they lost their freedom to communist dictator liar named Obama who is pushing foreign agenda on the ruins of America. The same dictator Obama who lied and deceive the American people about his health scam claiming that it is not a tax continue his demagogueries that will bring to his defeat in November. Clearly, Roberts betrayed the American people and the American constitution claiming that even Obama health law mandate is not constitutional according to Commerce Clause he will re-write it to make it acceptable. However, in order to appease Obama who called him” activist judge” Roberts re-wrote the Obama law as if it was a ‘tax’ in a way that Congress never intended to write or approve because “Congress has the right to levy taxes as it wishes without limit”. The Supreme Court caved to the pressure from Obama who was furious if his law would be stricken down unconstitutional as the four judges claimed. Why should Roberts be allowed to subject the American people with unlimited taxes to comply with Obama regime rule when the Boston tea party was about unjust taxes by the British government? Who gave Roberts the right to re-write the Obama health care as tax?
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#38 Jun 30, 2012
Greedy21 wrote:
<quoted text>
Please quote the source of this information. Is it credible?
It is all in the Obamacare bill that nobody read before they passed it.

Beginning in 2014, you will be required by law to have health insurance and to attach proof of insurance to your tax return. If you fail to insure, you will be fined — with the penalty rising to $695 ($2,085 per family) in 2016 or 2.5% of your adjusted gross income, whichever is greater.

But to answer your question you can check here, The following is from the New York Times on question and answer on what it means.( http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/30/us/health-c... )

Q. I’ve heard that I’m required to have insurance. When does that go into effect? And what sort of penalties will I face if I don’t comply?

A. Starting in 2014, most Americans will be required to have health insurance and could face federal penalties if they do not. Taxpayers will be required to indicate on their tax returns whether they have health insurance that meets minimal benefits standards, according to the Commonwealth Fund. If consumers do not have insurance by 2014, they would owe $95, or 1 percent of taxable income, whichever is greater. The penalty rises to $325, or 2 percent of taxable income in 2015, and then $695, or 2.5 percent of taxable income in 2016, up to a maximum of $2,085 per family.

If your employer fails to offer you health insurance, your employer can be fined as much as $2,000 per employee per year. Once again this is found in the bill, it is not mentioned in that same article but it is in the bill. This thing is going to be a job killer.

“KONA, baby!”

Since: Jul 08

Jacksonville, FL

#39 Jun 30, 2012
Greedy21 wrote:
<quoted text>
This law has already been upheld by the supreme court. A repeal will never pass the senate. In other words the law stays in place.
As it is a tax, it only takes a simple majority (51 votes) to repeal it. This will definitely be a big issue come November.
1 post removed
Robert

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#41 Jul 1, 2012
Pappa wrote:
<quoted text>
As it is a tax, it only takes a simple majority (51 votes) to repeal it. This will definitely be a big issue come November.
That all depends on the election, Obama won't vote to repeal it no matter what, I can see the agreement in the senate, they will be saying it is not a tax.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#42 Jul 1, 2012
The plan calls for everyone to pay their own way. How could anyone who means right oppose that?

Only folks really effected by any penalty are those who can afford healthcare but refuse to get it. Everyone else will be nicely covered.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

US Politics Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 5 min Grey Ghost 1,374,655
Time to go? (Jun '15) 6 min southern at heart 10,370
News Violence follows California Trump rally, about ... 7 min Soon Forgotten 353
News In America, atheists are still in the closet (Apr '12) 9 min Patrick 50,945
News Walnut Ridge, Others See Development Boost from... 11 min Ghost town 1
Election 'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate (Oct '10) 12 min Limbertwig 222,810
News North Carolina's rush to bigotry 21 min Liberte 2,216
News The President has failed us (Jun '12) 31 min Sharrp Shooter 381,360
News Republicans downplay Trump rally unrest in Cali... 6 hr PauldenZangpo0521 284
More from around the web