Obama holds meeting on Egypt

Obama holds meeting on Egypt

There are 54 comments on the Politico story from Jul 4, 2013, titled Obama holds meeting on Egypt. In it, Politico reports that:

President Barack Obama held a holiday meeting with members of his national security team Thursday to discuss the ouster of Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi, a White House spokeswoman said.

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Latrine Corpse Pat

Halsey, OR

#50 Jul 8, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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I can only speak as someone looking in from the outside. I have no experience of Obama from an American perspective, only a global one.
- Yes Al-qaeda did exist before Bush, but it was Bushís mishandling of the war on terror that actually put the world in more danger. He didnít protect the world, he made us all a target. You skilfully avoided the subject of the illegal occupation of Iraq which triggered a backlash on all allied nations.
- It may be routine for fundamental hard-line regimes to use torture, execution and illegal detention. But the USA makes it their business to interfere in regimes that do so. The USA therefore must follow Geneva conventions and Human Rights laws. Otherwise, the USA is no better than those regimes. And that became abundantly apparent during the Bush administration.
- Again, I can only speak for Obamaís global reputation, not domestic. He is considered 50x better than Bush in that he can deliver a coherent sentence without stumbling over his word and he has a clue about global politics and geography. I didnít compare him to other Americans, I only compared him to Bush. Obama is very much an intellectual and comes across as such. Well mannered, well-spoken and humble. All the character traits that should be expected of a good statesman. For you to criticise his diplomat skills in favour of Bush is laughable to say the least.
Bush made the world hate America, that is the crux of the matter. Obama has done much to reverse that trend. You should thank him. America has nothing if it canít command the respect of the world.
The fact the China rose to prominence during Bushís administration says a lot about how the world lost trust in the USA and chose to turn to the Chinese instead.


Good grief, you have spent all this time playing the "Its Bush's
fault" song Obama's supporters have used for 5 years. Please
tell us when we may begin to consider Obama on his own merits
because there is no traction under your tires.

You cannot name a single global situation that has improved under
Obama. Not one. His ineptitude is astounding when speaking of
Israel, Iran, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea,
Russia, China, Venezuela, Bolivia, or a dozen other countries.
Not one has improved relations with the U.S., but all now regard
Obama as a lightweight who cannot be taken seriously. And your
response is to blame Bush.

You overlook a host of scandals that now surround Obama despite
his desperate efforts to distract us with self-promotion events
now worldwide. "Fast and Furious," Benghazi, the IRS, the AP
snooping, NSA abuses, etc. Every day there is something new,
but Obama ... whom you defend as an "intellectual" ... always
claims he did not know, always pushing blame elsewhere. When
things get tough Obama is out fundraising or enjoying a rock
concert in the White House.

Incidentally, since you erroneously claim the Iraq war as
illegal, would you consider selling arms to Mexican drug
lords illegal? Would you admit that the biological weapons
used by Assad were those shipped from Iraq and that WMDs did
exist in Iraq. News reports here showed trucks moving from
Iraq to Syria as military actions unfolded. In fact, do you
admit Saddam tried to kill George Bush Sr.? Would you, as a
Brit, give a pass to N. Ireland if their head of state
attempted to kill the queen?
Womba

Stillwater, OK

#51 Jul 8, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
I can only speak as someone looking in from the outside. I have no experience of Obama from an American perspective, only a global one.Yes Al-qaeda did exist before Bush, but it was Bushís mishandling of the war on terror that actually put the world in more danger. He didnít protect the world, he made us all a target. You skilfully avoided the subject of the illegal occupation of Iraq which triggered a backlash on all allied nations.
- It may be routine for fundamental hard-line regimes to use torture, execution and illegal detention. But the USA makes it their business to interfere in regimes that do so. The USA therefore must follow Geneva conventions and Human Rights laws. Otherwise, the USA is no better than those regimes. And that became abundantly apparent during the Bush administration.
Again, I can only speak for Obamaís global reputation, not domestic. He is considered 50x better than Bush in that he can deliver a coherent sentence without stumbling over his word and he has a clue about global politics and geography. I didnít compare him to other Americans, I only compared him to Bush. Obama is very much an intellectual and comes across as such. Well mannered, well-spoken and humble. All the character traits that should be expected of a good statesman. For you to criticise his diplomat skills in favour of Bush is laughable to say the least.
Bush made the world hate America, that is the crux of the matter. Obama has done much to reverse that trend. You should thank him. America has nothing if it canít command the respect of the world.
The fact the China rose to prominence during Bushís administration says a lot about how the world lost trust in the USA and chose to turn to the Chinese instead.
Jay Carney, is that you again??
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CrimeaRiver

UK

#53 Jul 9, 2013
Latrine Corpse Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
Good grief, you have spent all this time playing the "Its Bush's
fault" song Obama's supporters have used for 5 years. Please
tell us when we may begin to consider Obama on his own merits
because there is no traction under your tires.
You cannot name a single global situation that has improved under
Obama. Not one. His ineptitude is astounding when speaking of
Israel, Iran, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea,
Russia, China, Venezuela, Bolivia, or a dozen other countries.
Not one has improved relations with the U.S., but all now regard
Obama as a lightweight who cannot be taken seriously. And your
response is to blame Bush.
You overlook a host of scandals that now surround Obama despite
his desperate efforts to distract us with self-promotion events
now worldwide. "Fast and Furious," Benghazi, the IRS, the AP
snooping, NSA abuses, etc. Every day there is something new,
but Obama ... whom you defend as an "intellectual" ... always
claims he did not know, always pushing blame elsewhere. When
things get tough Obama is out fundraising or enjoying a rock
concert in the White House.
Incidentally, since you erroneously claim the Iraq war as
illegal, would you consider selling arms to Mexican drug
lords illegal? Would you admit that the biological weapons
used by Assad were those shipped from Iraq and that WMDs did
exist in Iraq. News reports here showed trucks moving from
Iraq to Syria as military actions unfolded. In fact, do you
admit Saddam tried to kill George Bush Sr.? Would you, as a
Brit, give a pass to N. Ireland if their head of state
attempted to kill the queen?
I repeat. I'm not commenting on his success as a President. I'm British and am more concerned with my own inept govt.

I'm just commenting that int he international arena, Obama is considered a far better statesman than Bush.

And lets not talk about Bush's Axis of Evil speech where he basically declared war on a whole bunch of countries. And you wonder why Obama hasn't been able to mend relations with those countries

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#54 Jul 9, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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Who's Mr Stiltskin?
I would have thought you had read the classics.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#55 Jul 9, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>I would have thought you had read the classics.
I read Rumplestiltskin as a child, but couldn't understand why you referred to me as Mr Stiltskin.

I agree with you that it is a classic, many wouldn't.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#56 Jul 9, 2013
Womba wrote:
<quoted text>
Jay Carney, is that you again??
What's with all the random names .....lol

No I am not Jay Carney or Mr Stiltskin.
Hillary

Halsey, OR

#57 Jul 9, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
I repeat. I'm not commenting on his success as a President. I'm British and am more concerned with my own inept govt.
I'm just commenting that int he international arena, Obama is considered a far better statesman than Bush.
And lets not talk about Bush's Axis of Evil speech where he basically declared war on a whole bunch of countries. And you wonder why Obama hasn't been able to mend relations with those countries
You have made a whole bunch of statements that are not
substantiated by facts. For one, Obama is not regarded
as a statesman. There is no evidence that he has accomplished
a thing as a "statesman." He has been established as a liar
and abuser of the public trust. His administration has
used its power to seek out and punish anyone who opposes
him. He has, for example, used his power to force other
countries to obey his will in regard to Snowden.

As with most Obamaphiles, you confuse substance with a
deft use of public persona. There is no substance. Just
a veneer of statesmanship ... but nothing real.
Hillary McQueen

Franklin, IN

#58 Jul 9, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
What's with all the random names .....lol
No I am not Jay Carney or Mr Stiltskin.
UKer welcom 2da USforum fundo

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#59 Jul 9, 2013
CrimeaRiver wrote:
<quoted text>
I read Rumplestiltskin as a child, but couldn't understand why you referred to me as Mr Stiltskin.
I agree with you that it is a classic, many wouldn't.
By calling Bush a flop is a huge error. He did a lot of stupid things for sure. He spent money like a drunk sailor, but he didn't set out to destroy our economy like the liberals did here. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd both ran of and hid in retirement, when they both should be in jail.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#60 Jul 9, 2013
Hillary wrote:
<quoted text>
You have made a whole bunch of statements that are not
substantiated by facts. For one, Obama is not regarded
as a statesman. There is no evidence that he has accomplished
a thing as a "statesman." He has been established as a liar
and abuser of the public trust. His administration has
used its power to seek out and punish anyone who opposes
him. He has, for example, used his power to force other
countries to obey his will in regard to Snowden.
As with most Obamaphiles, you confuse substance with a
deft use of public persona. There is no substance. Just
a veneer of statesmanship ... but nothing real.
really? what countries obeyed his will on the Snowden issue?

facts are fun!
Hillary

Halsey, OR

#61 Jul 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>really? what countries obeyed his will on the Snowden issue?
facts are fun!
Facts ARE fun. Now do a little digging and discover
how Obama has pressured dozens of countries to keep
Snowden stuck in Moscow.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#62 Jul 10, 2013
Hillary wrote:
<quoted text>
Facts ARE fun. Now do a little digging and discover
how Obama has pressured dozens of countries to keep
Snowden stuck in Moscow.
Most of the European nations who were implicated in that debacle have denied any complicity. But I suppose they would wouldn't they.
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CrimeaRiver

UK

#64 Jul 10, 2013
Hillary wrote:
<quoted text>
You have made a whole bunch of statements that are not
substantiated by facts. For one, Obama is not regarded
as a statesman. There is no evidence that he has accomplished
a thing as a "statesman." He has been established as a liar
and abuser of the public trust. His administration has
used its power to seek out and punish anyone who opposes
him. He has, for example, used his power to force other
countries to obey his will in regard to Snowden.
As with most Obamaphiles, you confuse substance with a
deft use of public persona. There is no substance. Just
a veneer of statesmanship ... but nothing real.
Perhaps! I've no real experience of him as a politician. I know the Media in the UK and most of Europe loves him. Which was not the case for his predecessor.

With regard to Snowden, he's damned if he does and damned if he don't. If he doesn't put pressure on foreign govts to deny Snowden asylum then he'll be seen as weak by his own countrymen. If he does put pressure on these govts then he is seen as a bully using bullyboy tactics.

In terms of what he has achieved. On a global front he made the decision to approach new superpowers to foster new business relationships. He has to ensure future growth however undignified it might seem
CrimeaRiver

UK

#65 Jul 10, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>By calling Bush a flop is a huge error. He did a lot of stupid things for sure. He spent money like a drunk sailor, but he didn't set out to destroy our economy like the liberals did here. Barney Frank and Chris Dodd both ran of and hid in retirement, when they both should be in jail.
The financial crash of 2008 was heavily influenced by economic mismanagement in the US. Thats not a dig at the US, these things happen every few decades and are caused by many different nations and factors.

I don't know enough about US politics to know who was in charge of the economy during the Republican presidency. But i know that in the UK, the presiding Prime Minister is the one that cops all the flak for the crash. So in Britain, Bush would have been blamed for the current downturn.

What both Britain and the US failed to do was admit that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were a heavy burden on the taxpayer. The billions we spent on not acheiving very much could've been better diverted to ailing public services, especially in Britain

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