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Optimism of whites in US lags blacks by big margin

There are 2745 comments on the Log Cabin Democrat story from Aug 1, 2013, titled Optimism of whites in US lags blacks by big margin. In it, Log Cabin Democrat reports that:

Americans' attitudes about their economic future are sharply divided by race, with whites significantly less likely than blacks or Hispanics to think they can improve their own standard of living.

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#1948 Aug 25, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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Oh my what a tirade and attack on me prompted by nothing.
I simply asked what the difference in meaning based on the spelling was. Rachel Jeantel tried explaining it on TV after the trial, but it was really confusing, so I thought I would ask you.
I have no interest in using it. It's a derogatory word, just like "cracka" and "whitey" is derogatory to whites, but I suspect you think they are not derogatory and probably use those two words all the time to describe white people. Should I make that assumption of you?
Oh my, you labeled my post as a tirade despite denouncing using any racial epithet to describe anyone. SMH I've noticed that most of you whites don't come on here to gain a better understanding, you simply come on here to antagonize and stir up trouble. Had you thoroughly read my post, you would not have typed the last two sentences.

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#1949 Aug 25, 2013
buckwheat wrote:
<quoted text>I've tried to make a point about this exact sort of thing. I can see the point about not calling each other derogatory names, and I don't do it either. I've tried to make this point earlier, but I guess I came up short.
Anyway. There is a difference in calling someone a name and using that word to make a point. NOBODY should have to be leery about saying ANY word if it is used in the right context.
If I'm called a "cracker" to my face, I will fight without speaking a word. That being said, I see no reason to dance around the word when making a poing. You said, "I don't wanna use words that are racial towards whites like the 'C' word..."
We are all adults. You could have said, "I don't wanna use words that are racial towards whites like "cracker..." And it would not have bothered me in the least, because you were not calling me that. You were making a valid point.
I will continue to use words to make a point, but I will not call anybody that word.
I understand you point. But I wanted to show people that I do not condone any racial words, and I felt had I actually spelled out the word while abbreviating the 'N' word, it would have come off as hypocrisy. You can scroll through all of my posts on this forum, and you will not see one post made by me using racial epithets towards any race of people.
AnswersRus

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#1950 Aug 25, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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Actually, there are not more whites on welfare than blacks. The liberals include or consider Hispanics to be whites.
The actual breakdown of Welfare recipients goes like this:
Blacks 39.8%
Whites 38.8%
Hispanics 15.7%
Asian 2.4%
Other 3.3%
Look at the total numbers of individual citizens in each demographic group, not the percentages of the populations in any given demographic group.
Since blacks are approx 15% of the total population, the total numbers of blacks on welfare is less than the total number of whites on welfare because there are far more whites percentage wise in the total population.
38% of the white population is a greater number than 39% of a smaller population that is only 15% of the total.

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#1951 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text>No, you're trying to turn this around and justify your right to use these words. I don't question women for using the word, because I'm not a woman, therefore it's none of my business. Your futile attempt at reverse psychology has failed miserably. Bottom line, descent human beings don't sit around and ponder why some use such words and others aren't allowed. It doesn't matter!!! You can call other whites every racial derogatory name in the book, it doesn't mean that I will want to join in and use such words. The usage of the 'N' word should be of no concern of yours. For blacks (those who use it), it is a term of endearment. But whites like you feel that only you have the right to dictate ones dialogue, because you are narcissistic. Unfortunately, many whites come off today as being such. Leave blacks alone about the usage of the 'N' word and simply tend to more important issues in life other than a word that a group of people refer to one another. This is such a childish debate to have. Hell, why can't a call a person George, even though he prefers to be called by his middle name of William. His mom calls him George, his siblings call him George, then I should be able to call him George also. Despite knowing if I call him George, it will cause him to become angry, I'm gonna insist on calling him George rather than the name he prefers. His 'FAMILY' can call him George because they are his kin and he has common understanding with them. Same with the 'N' word, blacks who decide to use the word see it as OK because it has become a part of our culture (right or wrong), and all others should simply respect it. RESPECT, now there's a theory that seems to be overlooked. I respect your wishes to refer to yourselves as you want, and I respect your wishes for me not to refer to you as you and your people refer to one another. Problem solved.
No! Please show where I have tried to justify using the N word! That's right, you can not!
If its none of your business if women use the bitch word, then its none of your business who uses the bitch word unless it is directed at you. Same for the N word.
Yes I can call other whites every derogatory name in the book. I can do the same with blacks, women, and gays. It is my first amendment right. I do not use derogatory names for anyone because it is my moral personal right. Provide proof to the contrary if you can! That's right, you can not!
Your comparison of a given name to a derogatory slang name is pathetic! It shows how low you must stoop to grasp at straws, deny reality, and continue your intentional ignorance.
Feel free to prove anything I've posted here wrong. Ooooooooooooh, that's right, you can not!
AnswersRus

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#1952 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Oh my, you labeled my post as a tirade despite denouncing using any racial epithet to describe anyone. SMH I've noticed that most of you whites don't come on here to gain a better understanding, you simply come on here to antagonize and stir up trouble. Had you thoroughly read my post, you would not have typed the last two sentences.
I see. So it is OK for you to be condescending to me and slam me by asking if I knew what "peer" means, and followed that up by making assumptions and accusations toward me, that were completely baseless, but I can not ask you a question to gain this "better understanding". I see that you fancy yourself as all knowing, and know more about what I know, understand, wish, and think, than I do.
Got it.
You got a lot of gall, and precious little understanding of where I am coming from. You do not want the truth and a better understanding. You want a "level playing field" that is tilted in your favor.
Have a nice day

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#1953 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh my, you labeled my post as a tirade despite denouncing using any racial epithet to describe anyone. SMH I've noticed that most of you whites don't come on here to gain a better understanding, you simply come on here to antagonize and stir up trouble. Had you thoroughly read my post, you would not have typed the last two sentences.
You didn't denounce using racial epithet! You claim blacks should be able to use the N word and women should be able to use the B word, despite their derogatory backing!

"I've noticed that most of you whites don't come on here to gain a better understanding, you simply come on here to antagonize and stir up trouble." Interesting perception on your part, considering the title of the thread.

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#1954 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text>I understand you point. But I wanted to show people that I do not condone any racial words, and I felt had I actually spelled out the word while abbreviating the 'N' word, it would have come off as hypocrisy. You can scroll through all of my posts on this forum, and you will not see one post made by me using racial epithets towards any race of people.
BS! You condoned blacks using the N word and women using the B word!
You need to keep your lies strait!

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#1955 Aug 25, 2013
Oh don't Dr-Sniper & AnswersRus make such a cute racist couple!

I'm so glad they found each other one here......

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#1956 Aug 25, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text>Look at the total numbers of individual citizens in each demographic group, not the percentages of the populations in any given demographic group.
Since blacks are approx 15% of the total population, the total numbers of blacks on welfare is less than the total number of whites on welfare because there are far more whites percentage wise in the total population.
38% of the white population is a greater number than 39% of a smaller population that is only 15% of the total.
No. I am not saying 39.8% of blacks are on Welfare and 38.8% of whites are on Welfare. I am saying 39.8% of those on Welfare are black and 38.8% of those on Welfare are white.
Btw, blacks are not 15% of the US population, they are less than 13%. Actually 12.6% of the US Population according to the 2010 census.
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#1958 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Oh don't Dr-Sniper & AnswersRus make such a cute racist couple!

I'm so glad they found each other one here......
My thoughts exactly, about you and ladonaruler1.

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#1959 Aug 25, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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BS! You condoned blacks using the N word and women using the B word!
You need to keep your lies strait!
Oh my god, do I have to hold your hand?!? I don't condone the usage of racial epithets from one group to another. People within their own group can call each other what they want. That is your problem, you hide behind the constitution to justify harassment from the majority over the minority. But I don't condone the usage of racial epithets by minorities towards the majority either. I feel that people belonging to a particular group who wishes to use these words amongst themselves is OK, and that should be that. You're the type of person who feel you have the right to do whatever you like even if it pisses certain people off. I'm not like you.

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#1960 Aug 25, 2013
@AnswerRus


Dude, I did not ask you anything about what 'peer' means. You must have me confused with someone else.

I haven't spoken much about a level playing field because I know that it will not happen, so again, you must have me confused with someone else. I just told you that your argument regarding the usage of the 'N' word seems to be extremely common these days with whites.

@Sniper
Dude, you are all over the place. We are talking about the usage of words by a majority towards a minority. I'm not talking bout other people use the word bytch or any other silly analogy you were trying to attempt. I'm talking bout men calling women bytches, whites calling blacks the 'N' word. Period. All that other crap is pointless. And I never said you didn't have a constitutional right, I said a person with good morals shouldn't want to use certain words, regardless of what's your right. And you have the right to say anything you want, but some words have severe consequences if spoken to the wrong person. That goes for ANYBODY. The constitution can only protect you in a court of law, not a court of popular opinion and human's with a violent nature. It's simply best to respect people and simply let this argument go.
AnswersRus

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#1961 Aug 25, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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No. I am not saying 39.8% of blacks are on Welfare and 38.8% of whites are on Welfare. I am saying 39.8% of those on Welfare are black and 38.8% of those on Welfare are white.
Btw, blacks are not 15% of the US population, they are less than 13%. Actually 12.6% of the US Population according to the 2010 census.
alrighty then.
AnswersRus

Lander, WY

#1962 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text> Oh my god, do I have to hold your hand?!? I don't condone the usage of racial epithets from one group to another. People within their own group can call each other what they want. That is your problem, you hide behind the constitution to justify harassment from the majority over the minority. But I don't condone the usage of racial epithets by minorities towards the majority either. I feel that people belonging to a particular group who wishes to use these words amongst themselves is OK, and that should be that. You're the type of person who feel you have the right to do whatever you like even if it pisses certain people off. I'm not like you.
You said the same thing he did, with the exception being that he said it should be OK in any group or place as long as a word that could be used in a derogatory way, is not used in that derogatory way or meaning. You say certain words should be used only within groups and never used outside of that group.
Both of you say it is inappropriate to use words to hurt others.

BTW, the word "bitch" is also used by males addressing each other, just as the word "dude" is used by females to address each other.

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#1963 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh my god, do I have to hold your hand?!? I don't condone the usage of racial epithets from one group to another. People within their own group can call each other what they want. That is your problem, you hide behind the constitution to justify harassment from the majority over the minority. But I don't condone the usage of racial epithets by minorities towards the majority either. I feel that people belonging to a particular group who wishes to use these words amongst themselves is OK, and that should be that. You're the type of person who feel you have the right to do whatever you like even if it pisses certain people off. I'm not like you.
How does that differ from what I posted? Yeah, it doesn't.
How does it differ from what you posted to the other poster? Yeah, it differs vastly!
AnswersRus

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#1964 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
@AnswerRus
Dude, I did not ask you anything about what 'peer' means. You must have me confused with someone else.
I haven't spoken much about a level playing field because I know that it will not happen, so again, you must have me confused with someone else. I just told you that your argument regarding the usage of the 'N' word seems to be extremely common these days with whites.
I apologize for confusing you with another poster concerning the "peer" thing.
I was NOT presenting an argument about using the word or not using the word. I simply asked you if there was a different meaning in black culture if the word was spelled and pronounced with an "a" at the end, as verses an "er" at the end.
You blew up.
I found that a little telling about your own tendencies in this racial discussion. Racheal Jeantel (the prosecution's "star" witness in the Zimmerman trial) had no problem trying to talk about it when asked on national TV, but she was rather confusing about it, so I tried to ask you, and then we got off track when you attempted to tell me what I meant and understood. It seems you insist on a one way street here. It is a two way street, or should be.

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#1965 Aug 25, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
<quoted text>alrighty then.
Lol, didn't mean to come off the way you apparently took it.
My point is, one must be careful about the statistics liberals post and the wording they use to push their agenda.
Just to be clear:
Whites are 72% of the US and 38.8% of Welfare recipients.
Blacks are 12.6% of the US and 39.8% of Welfare recipients.
The other misleading statistic liberals try to slip in, is including Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, which workers paid into and rightly deserve repayment, in with the government handout programs, so they can say whites collect more from government programs than blacks.
AnswersRus

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#1966 Aug 25, 2013
ladondaruler1 wrote:
@AnswerRus
Dude, I did not ask you anything about what 'peer' means. You must have me confused with someone else.
BTW, you told me that the word was "off limits to me no matter if it is spelled with an "a" or an "er" ".
Interesting, so I am not allowed, by you and yours, to talk about the word, it's orign, it's proper and improper use, or even utter it for any reason because it is not a "white" word.
You spoke about a "better understanding" and when I ask a question, you tell me I can not talk about that, and words are "off limits" to me.
I do not know about you - dude - but it appears it is >you< who do not wish a "better understanding". You like the way things are going right now apparently, and seem to enjoy telling me to pound sand.
Have it your way - dude.
AnswersRus

Lander, WY

#1967 Aug 25, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
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How does that differ from what I posted? Yeah, it doesn't.
How does it differ from what you posted to the other poster? Yeah, it differs vastly!
Exactly.

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#1968 Aug 25, 2013
AnswersRus wrote:
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I apologize for confusing you with another poster concerning the "peer" thing.
I was NOT presenting an argument about using the word or not using the word. I simply asked you if there was a different meaning in black culture if the word was spelled and pronounced with an "a" at the end, as verses an "er" at the end.
You blew up.
I found that a little telling about your own tendencies in this racial discussion. Racheal Jeantel (the prosecution's "star" witness in the Zimmerman trial) had no problem trying to talk about it when asked on national TV, but she was rather confusing about it, so I tried to ask you, and then we got off track when you attempted to tell me what I meant and understood. It seems you insist on a one way street here. It is a two way street, or should be.
First off let me be clear, the use of the 'N' word is bad, no matter who uses it. Whenever I go back home and hang with some of my old friends from back in the day, I find myself using that word because I'm in my comfort zone. But I have tried to break myself away from using that word because neither of my parents used it, and me and my brother were taught not to use it. I grew into it during my teens (rebellious years) and started using it more frequently. We used it as terms of endearment, brotherhood, an acknowledgement of a common ancestry. Now as I get older, I find myself shunning the word, regardless if it's used with an A or ER. Rachel Jeantel is from a total different age group from me, and most blacks her age are quite comfortable with whites using that word. So it was kinda surprising to hear her trying to explain the word or justify it for blacks only when this generation uses it regardless of race. So aside from it being racially bias, I think it also depends on your age. If you're an older white person, then I don't think society accepts you saying it. If you're a younger white person 25yrs. and younger, it seems to be more acceptable by blacks around my way. IDK. I just think we should all gradually move away from that word along with a few other words in our language.

I think all people regardless of race should denounce any racial epithet uttered by anyone towards another person. If you hear a black person call a white person a racial name, don't try to rationalize it with 'if I called you the 'n' word this would happen'. No, just flat out say it's wrong!!! Same way if you hear a white person call a black person a racial name, don't try to justify it by saying 'blacks call each other the 'n' word all the time, or 'blacks get away with being racist'. NO, simply denounce it and say it's wrong. Most of the problems are coming from ADULTS who are handling situations like children. I won't allow my children to use racial words against white kids, and whites need to do the same with their children. It's our responsibility to make improvements for the future generations, or else they're gonna inherit the same stupidity that our past generations left us with. Time to stop throwing stone for stone and wise up.

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