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Optimism of whites in US lags blacks by big margin

There are 2745 comments on the Log Cabin Democrat story from Aug 1, 2013, titled Optimism of whites in US lags blacks by big margin. In it, Log Cabin Democrat reports that:

Americans' attitudes about their economic future are sharply divided by race, with whites significantly less likely than blacks or Hispanics to think they can improve their own standard of living.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#149 Aug 3, 2013
looseygoosey wrote:
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I see you have trouble with basic logic as well as facts. Blacks are killed, mostly by other blacks, at an astronomical rate that far surpasses the rate of whites being murdered, no matter by whom. But instead of addressing the black-on-black violence, we waste time on George Zimmerman, who is basically an anomaly. Blacks are more likely to be hit by lightning than killed by a "white Latino".
Liberals do this little dance to distract from the black crime rate, which far surpasses all other races. It has NOTHING to do with their race, but EVERYTHING to do with liberal paternalism, which has rotted their community to the core. Blacks, who are only 13% of the population, commit nearly half of all murders. Their victims are nearly 90% other blacks. Those are the FACTS. But I still maintain it has NOTHING to do with races.
Blacks have been singled out by liberals as a society they can experiment on at will. The liberals are responsible for this disaster, nobody else. You'd get the same result no matter who you tried this with. By the way: it's racist to say otherwise.
So you admit crime has "nothing to do with their race", yet you insist on quoting stats and making statements of "facts" based on nothing more than their race.

Yes Virginia, that's called racism.

Since: Feb 09

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#150 Aug 3, 2013
I hate to get involved in these race debate but some one has to bring in some facts.
From the FBI
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...
And for those who dont want to click on links
Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.4 percent were black, 47.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 152 victims.(Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)
And
Of the offenders for whom race was known, 53.1 percent were black, 44.6 percent were white, and 2.3 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,224 offenders.(Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)
Might mention for the most part Hispanic(Like George Zimmerman) are considered white, unless they are victims of a hate crime.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#151 Aug 3, 2013
californio wrote:
I hate to get involved in these race debate but some one has to bring in some facts.
From the FBI
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in...
And for those who dont want to click on links
Concerning murder victims for whom race was known, 50.4 percent were black, 47.0 percent were white, and 2.6 percent were of other races. Race was unknown for 152 victims.(Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 2.)
And
Of the offenders for whom race was known, 53.1 percent were black, 44.6 percent were white, and 2.3 percent were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,224 offenders.(Based on Expanded Homicide Data Table 3.)
Might mention for the most part Hispanic(Like George Zimmerman) are considered white, unless they are victims of a hate crime.
All of which is irrelevant unless you're trying to make some racist statement linking either the offense or the victimization to their skin color.

Did race make any of these people kill?

Did race make any of these people the victims?

If not, then what difference does it matter what their race was, except to attempt to race bait.
Casey Jones

Charleston, SC

#152 Aug 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it has to do with poverty more than skin color.
There is a higher percentage of murders and all crimes within the black community because they have a much higher poverty level than the white community.
Skin color doesn't make anyone a criminal; poverty however DOES make many resort to crime. And concentrated areas of poverty such as inner cities lead to rampant crime statistics.
Focus on the poverty level, not the skin color.
We are not focusing on skin color. You people are. We are focusing on you as an ethnic group it does not matter what color. You glamorize gang banging and being a social rebel. That's why so many Blacks kill each other. It is so moronic. Any other group of people would be scandalized about it. But we notice that you are content to overlook it, and let young Blacks who are piratically children kill each other. Then yo go crazy when a Black dies at the hand of a non Black. Many people who see this begin to believe Black people ain't wrapped too tight.
KIP

San Francisco, CA

#153 Aug 3, 2013
There's not an hour of a day that goes by without some deranged, delusional, and depressed, right leaning, white man crackpot predicting, hoping for, and foaming at the mouth over doom and gloom.

It's becoming something of a cottage industry really, "Whitey's Day's of Death and other Apocalyptic Doom." The past 5 years have been nothing but visions of horror, mayhem, destruction, death, hate, hell, and brimstone from white people on the right. They're NUTS!! According to statistics, white people account for 93% of all suicides. For white males that's 72%. Yes, they LEAD in all areas for mental illness, depression, fear, and are known for asbergers, Tourette's syndromes, obsessive/compulsive disorders, drug use, alcoholism, and any wide range of mental illnesses. It's as if some of them can't be trusted anymore, because of their reputation for emotional and mental instability. Yes, Topix is fine example of this for them too.

Now they go buying up all the guns, because for ONCE in American History we have a President who is part white. He's still Christian, but he's half white. Now all black people are responsible for the half that is black, so these silly, goofy, paranoid, white people go buying up guns and scaring themselves shytless over conspiracies only THEY believe. They exaggerate and make up the wildest stories all because they're afraid of blacks, Mexicans, Jews, women, gays, liberals and just about everyone else. It's really very sick. Not even people in Europe are this crazy.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if optimism of white people in the U.S. lagged. It always lags during a time of PERCEIVED doom. Yet, the day after 9/11 they told us to go shopping, because America is open for business.

One of the problems we face in America is fear and NOBODY perpetuates it more so than crazy white people. It's part of American culture. There is ALWAYS something to be scared of, the devil, Rosemary's baby, Godzilla, the chupacabara, gargoyles, bed bugs, Travon Martin, Al Sharpton, rap music, and cellphone radiation. Name something, ANYTHING! They can derive some kind of fear out of it.

Crazy!

Since: Dec 12

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#154 Aug 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>All of which is irrelevant unless you're trying to make some racist statement linking either the offense or the victimization to their skin color.

Did race make any of these people kill?

Did race make any of these people the victims?

If not, then what difference does it matter what their race was, except to attempt to race bait.
I think when you consider 13% of this country is black as opposed to 72% being white, yet statistically blacks commit more violent crime and murder, it does mean something.
Out of every 10 people in this country, 7.2 are white and 1.3 are black, yet out of every 10 murders in this country, 4.4 are by whites and 5.3 are by blacks.
Only those determined to avoid the truth would deny race plays a role.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#155 Aug 3, 2013
KIP wrote:
There's not an hour of a day that goes by without some deranged, delusional, and depressed, right leaning, white man crackpot predicting, hoping for, and foaming at the mouth over doom and gloom.

It's becoming something of a cottage industry really, "Whitey's Day's of Death and other Apocalyptic Doom." The past 5 years have been nothing but visions of horror, mayhem, destruction, death, hate, hell, and brimstone from white people on the right. They're NUTS!! According to statistics, white people account for 93% of all suicides. For white males that's 72%. Yes, they LEAD in all areas for mental illness, depression, fear, and are known for asbergers, Tourette's syndromes, obsessive/compulsive disorders, drug use, alcoholism, and any wide range of mental illnesses. It's as if some of them can't be trusted anymore, because of their reputation for emotional and mental instability. Yes, Topix is fine example of this for them too.

Now they go buying up all the guns, because for ONCE in American History we have a President who is part white. He's still Christian, but he's half white. Now all black people are responsible for the half that is black, so these silly, goofy, paranoid, white people go buying up guns and scaring themselves shytless over conspiracies only THEY believe. They exaggerate and make up the wildest stories all because they're afraid of blacks, Mexicans, Jews, women, gays, liberals and just about everyone else. It's really very sick. Not even people in Europe are this crazy.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if optimism of white people in the U.S. lagged. It always lags during a time of PERCEIVED doom. Yet, the day after 9/11 they told us to go shopping, because America is open for business.

One of the problems we face in America is fear and NOBODY perpetuates it more so than crazy white people. It's part of American culture. There is ALWAYS something to be scared of, the devil, Rosemary's baby, Godzilla, the chupacabara, gargoyles, bed bugs, Travon Martin, Al Sharpton, rap music, and cellphone radiation. Name something, ANYTHING! They can derive some kind of fear out of it.

Crazy!
Whites are 72% of the population. It makes sense that they would dominate most statistical categories.
Blacks make up 13% of the population. There are over 5.5 whites for every black.
Compare your numbers with that in mind.
Casey Jones

Charleston, SC

#156 Aug 3, 2013
KIP wrote:
There's not an hour of a day that goes by without some deranged, delusional, and depressed, right leaning, white man crackpot predicting, hoping for, and foaming at the mouth over doom and gloom.
It's becoming something of a cottage industry really, "Whitey's Day's of Death and other Apocalyptic Doom." The past 5 years have been nothing but visions of horror, mayhem, destruction, death, hate, hell, and brimstone from white people on the right. They're NUTS!! According to statistics, white people account for 93% of all suicides. For white males that's 72%. Yes, they LEAD in all areas for mental illness, depression, fear, and are known for asbergers, Tourette's syndromes, obsessive/compulsive disorders, drug use, alcoholism, and any wide range of mental illnesses. It's as if some of them can't be trusted anymore, because of their reputation for emotional and mental instability. Yes, Topix is fine example of this for them too.
Now they go buying up all the guns, because for ONCE in American History we have a President who is part white. He's still Christian, but he's half white. Now all black people are responsible for the half that is black, so these silly, goofy, paranoid, white people go buying up guns and scaring themselves shytless over conspiracies only THEY believe. They exaggerate and make up the wildest stories all because they're afraid of blacks, Mexicans, Jews, women, gays, liberals and just about everyone else. It's really very sick. Not even people in Europe are this crazy.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if optimism of white people in the U.S. lagged. It always lags during a time of PERCEIVED doom. Yet, the day after 9/11 they told us to go shopping, because America is open for business.
One of the problems we face in America is fear and NOBODY perpetuates it more so than crazy white people. It's part of American culture. There is ALWAYS something to be scared of, the devil, Rosemary's baby, Godzilla, the chupacabara, gargoyles, bed bugs, Travon Martin, Al Sharpton, rap music, and cellphone radiation. Name something, ANYTHING! They can derive some kind of fear out of it.
Crazy!
What about the countless dopey conspiracies that Blacks believe?
Try not to be so one sided, k?
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#157 Aug 3, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
I think when you consider 13% of this country is black as opposed to 72% being white, yet statistically blacks commit more violent crime and murder, it does mean something.
Out of every 10 people in this country, 7.2 are white and 1.3 are black, yet out of every 10 murders in this country, 4.4 are by whites and 5.3 are by blacks.
Only those determined to avoid the truth would deny race plays a role.
but the government and police let it happen

they can stop it if they wanted to or the very least drastically reduce the murders

where there is poverty crime follows
KIP

San Francisco, CA

#158 Aug 3, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
Whites are 72% of the population. It makes sense that they would dominate most statistical categories.
Blacks make up 13% of the population. There are over 5.5 whites for every black.
Compare your numbers with that in mind.
Oh brother!

White people dominate in Europe too, but they are no where NEAR as deranged and fear-ridden as white people in America make themselves out to be. All of this obsession and focus you do on blacks, but when blacks do the same, you make up lies, rationalize the observations, and do whatever it is to feel better about yourselves. Yes, when a black man commits a crime you pass blame on ALL blacks for crime. When white people murder their families, do mass killings, and shoot up schools we get to blame depression, home foreclosure, job loss, or ANYTHING other then person who did the killing. It's kind of funny -- the insanity behind all of it. It's just strange like that --- in AMERICA of course.

Fear drives white people to anger,
anger drives them to hate,
and hate drives them to a dark side.

They can deny it all they want, but the reality is as plain as day.
Yes, there are more white people in America, yet more people in America consume more drugs than in ANY other country in the world. This includes EUROPE!! These drugs are for depression, compulsive disorders, and other mental illnesses resulting from that dark side they've created for themselves. It's amazing how a man can create his own living hell, yet, complain that others are responsible for it.
KIP

San Francisco, CA

#159 Aug 3, 2013
Casey Jones wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the countless dopey conspiracies that Blacks believe?
Try not to be so one sided, k?
That's a good point.

We recognize the crazy black people out there, however only white people can make a living off their own fear that they can impose onto others. They hire Mexicans to come to American and work for cheap labor, yet are frightened that Mexicans are taking over as illegals. Only white people come to this forum and others ranting over how they are going to stock up on guns and weapons so they can fend off the U.N. and any fearful blacks they run into --- REALLY?!!!

The lunacy is beyond reason.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#160 Aug 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
All of which is irrelevant unless you're trying to make some racist statement linking either the offense or the victimization to their skin color.
Did race make any of these people kill?
Did race make any of these people the victims?
If not, then what difference does it matter what their race was, except to attempt to race bait.
To solve a problem you first have to recognize you have a problem.
The fact is Afro American males are killing and getting killed at a rate far higher then any other group.
And before you blame poverty and access to guns , go check out Montana . Montana and the Northern Rocky Mountian area is one of the poorest areas of the country has, lax gun laws and a low murder rate.
So why are young men killing each other in Washington DC and not Montana?
I dont think race has anything to do with it, but I do think culture does, and until we get serious and admit there are things that are dysfunctional in the inner city Afro American culture, you are not going to do a damn thing about the violence and poverty rate there.
pn2cladelover

Netherlands

#161 Aug 3, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> To solve a problem you first have to recognize you have a problem.
The fact is Afro American males are killing and getting killed at a rate far higher then any other group.
And before you blame poverty and access to guns , go check out Montana . Montana and the Northern Rocky Mountian area is one of the poorest areas of the country has, lax gun laws and a low murder rate.
So why are young men killing each other in Washington DC and not Montana?
I dont think race has anything to do with it, but I do think culture does, and until we get serious and admit there are things that are dysfunctional in the inner city Afro American culture, you are not going to do a damn thing about the violence and poverty rate there.
yeah, but it wouldn't be half as violent if the government and police really wanted to reduce it

I mean, blacks in big gangs roaming the streets with guns, how can that really happen in a so called civilized country
ALICIA BANKS

Little Rock, AR

#162 Aug 3, 2013
we are all doomed in all races!

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Hunter of GOR

Moyock, NC

#163 Aug 3, 2013
When you have NO drive or ambition and expect hand-outs, it is easy to be optimistic. Actually! some races just don't care. Get some pride people.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#164 Aug 3, 2013
pn2cladelover wrote:
<quoted text>but the government and police let it happen

they can stop it if they wanted to or the very least drastically reduce the murders

where there is poverty crime follows
Police have always been reactive in nature. The government could reduce crime in general by actually enforcing the laws we have and actually prosecuting those who break them, then actually sentencing them to hard time rather than a country club stay.

It is true where there is poverty, crime follows. However, the government does not cause the poverty in the black community. The lack of fathers hanging around to raise their children does. 72 percent of black children are born to single mothers. There is no father around to work and support the family.
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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#166 Aug 3, 2013
Casey Jones wrote:
<quoted text>
We are not focusing on skin color. You people are. We are focusing on you as an ethnic group it does not matter what color. You glamorize gang banging and being a social rebel. That's why so many Blacks kill each other. It is so moronic. Any other group of people would be scandalized about it. But we notice that you are content to overlook it, and let young Blacks who are piratically children kill each other. Then yo go crazy when a Black dies at the hand of a non Black. Many people who see this begin to believe Black people ain't wrapped too tight.
Oh no, you're not focusing on skin color with those statements at all (....eyes rolling....).

So why do so many whites kill each other?

Please enlighten us.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#167 Aug 3, 2013
KIP wrote:
<quoted text>Oh brother!

White people dominate in Europe too, but they are no where NEAR as deranged and fear-ridden as white people in America make themselves out to be. All of this obsession and focus you do on blacks, but when blacks do the same, you make up lies, rationalize the observations, and do whatever it is to feel better about yourselves. Yes, when a black man commits a crime you pass blame on ALL blacks for crime. When white people murder their families, do mass killings, and shoot up schools we get to blame depression, home foreclosure, job loss, or ANYTHING other then person who did the killing. It's kind of funny -- the insanity behind all of it. It's just strange like that --- in AMERICA of course.

Fear drives white people to anger,
anger drives them to hate,
and hate drives them to a dark side.

They can deny it all they want, but the reality is as plain as day.
Yes, there are more white people in America, yet more people in America consume more drugs than in ANY other country in the world. This includes EUROPE!! These drugs are for depression, compulsive disorders, and other mental illnesses resulting from that dark side they've created for themselves. It's amazing how a man can create his own living hell, yet, complain that others are responsible for it.
Please tell me what lies I made up.
Statistics are facts, no argument there. But statistics do not always explain every aspect of an issue. It's like looking at gun statistics without considering the people who use them.

Since you are all about the statistics, provide statistics showing the whites in Europe are not as "deranged and fear-ridden" as whites in the US.

Now you say because statistically blacks commit more crime, that I am blaming all blacks for crime. Please point out the sentence I posted that states that!

Typical liberal! Twist, alter, and put words in the mouth of a poster to deflect from the truth!

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#168 Aug 3, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text>To solve a problem you first have to recognize you have a problem.
The fact is Afro American males are killing and getting killed at a rate far higher then any other group.
And before you blame poverty and access to guns , go check out Montana . Montana and the Northern Rocky Mountian area is one of the poorest areas of the country has, lax gun laws and a low murder rate.
So why are young men killing each other in Washington DC and not Montana?
I dont think race has anything to do with it, but I do think culture does, and until we get serious and admit there are things that are dysfunctional in the inner city Afro American culture, you are not going to do a damn thing about the violence and poverty rate there.
Precisely.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#169 Aug 3, 2013
Casey Jones wrote:
<quoted text>
We are not focusing on skin color. You people are. We are focusing on you as an ethnic group it does not matter what color. You glamorize gang banging and being a social rebel. That's why so many Blacks kill each other. It is so moronic. Any other group of people would be scandalized about it. But we notice that you are content to overlook it, and let young Blacks who are piratically children kill each other. Then yo go crazy when a Black dies at the hand of a non Black. Many people who see this begin to believe Black people ain't wrapped too tight.
Btw, I'm white. See what moronic assumptions racists make.

In addition, blacks come from many different ethnic groups, but you combine them all under one because they share the same skin color.

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