Optimism of whites in US lags blacks by big margin

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Americans' attitudes about their economic future are sharply divided by race, with whites significantly less likely than blacks or Hispanics to think they can improve their own standard of living.

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“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#2595 Sep 5, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> There are estimates that if we did not play the political correctness quota games and we were actually based on freedom we would be up to twice as rich as a nation. All the quota are good as to NOT DENY. But what it really does is up the percentages of groups no matter if their abilities are not as good as the competition. There is still competency and good. Just not the great ones in the numbers needed to keep the prices lower and the advances moving without higher revenues needed.
Excellent post.
One reason I love the book Atlas Shrugged. The movie is very close to the novel. Lefties/libbies just don't get it and yet think they are "progressive". Ha!

Since: Dec 12

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#2596 Sep 5, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>There are estimates that if we did not play the political correctness quota games and we were actually based on freedom we would be up to twice as rich as a nation. All the quota are good as to NOT DENY. But what it really does is up the percentages of groups no matter if their abilities are not as good as the competition. There is still competency and good. Just not the great ones in the numbers needed to keep the prices lower and the advances moving without higher revenues needed.
Precisely.
Add to that the push to increase minimum wage. It only serves to make the useful idiots happy. In reality it increases the cost of living and devalues the dollar.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2597 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet I did hold that position, and did such a good job I was offered another hospital to fix- along with a significant raise.......
The only one who believes your blatant lies is you. Seek help because your life in your head is interfering with reality. I hardly think an ignorant radical racist like yourself would EVER get hired in HR.....EVER! You are not working now which supports my contention that you ran out of career options.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#2598 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, really.

Your presumption that women doctors would be part time doctors taking lengthy breaks to have children, or get married and take a break to have children.

Most professional women delay having children into their 40's now just so they AREN'T considered "part time" employees.

Either way, it's their choice, and certainly is no reflection of their professional capabilities.

Even a "part time doctor" is STILL more of a doctor than you'll ever be.
This is what you posted Poindexter: WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>I was referring to "Dr"-Sniper's comments about women (not part-time workers), which is the conversation you jumped into in his defense.

I did not say ALL women do so. You just can't help yourself with the all or none implications can you? I do see it all the time. It is a reality. You use your experiences repeatedly on here, yet you do not want to accept mine. Pathetic Hypocrite.

Prove most professional women wait into their 40s to have children! I find that highly unlikely, considering fertility declines after age 35, and significantly by 40 something. Men's sperm quality decreases by age 40 and after. So I certainly hope the cougars have a younger baby daddy. And then there is the risk of Down's syndrome and other birth defects, which increase with pregnancies in women at or over 40, and/or with men at or over 40.

Sure it is their choice. And it is our's to go to a full time doctor. Doctors that are not in the clinic, do not hear about new studies on new products. No one really thinks about the new information that is disseminated by sales reps. It gives a basis for further investigation. There is no way to stay on top of all new information. Continuing Education requirements certainly are not enough. One must be in the loop, rather than child rearing, to stay competitive in knowledge base.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2599 Sep 5, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! You really are going to try and push this lie? I swa many women that got pregnant to avoid deployment myself. And while we're at it; my son just graduated from the firefighter academy. He had one female that was in his class and she was graduated inspite of not being able to complete the rigorous physical qualifications. She was despised by the other firefighters because they cannot rely on her to help them if she cannot drag them to safety if need be. She may not be able to carry a smoke inhalation victim to safety either. She was passed due to "policy". Even the leadership mumbled about this issue. She scored the highest on the academic portion and that was the "qualifier". Book smarts don't save lives, sometimes physical ability saves lives.
As for women being paid different than men, it's because ment have always been bold to ask for raises where women are not as bold. I personally have known several women that complained about what they where paid. Once I told them to go and ASK for a raise, they got them every time.
I fear that your bragging about your experiences are nothing but fabricated lies or your world is so little that Disney would create a new "It's a really, really, small, tiny, minscual World" just for you.
I agree with everything you said except your generalization of women not being bold enough. That depends entirely on the person as there are men who may have the same problem being assertive. As a woman, I appreciate having access to choose whatever career I can pursue based upon my competency...as it should be. On the other hand, I do not believe a woman should receive preferential treatment. The high scoring fire fighter should not have been given the spot because she was not able to perform in all areas. This presents a hazard and hardship on her peers. Book knowledge is a valuable asset but as you said, it will not pull a person to safety. This is very wrong and I hope changes are forthcoming.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2600 Sep 5, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what you posted Poindexter: WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>I was referring to "Dr"-Sniper's comments about women (not part-time workers), which is the conversation you jumped into in his defense.
I did not say ALL women do so. You just can't help yourself with the all or none implications can you? I do see it all the time. It is a reality. You use your experiences repeatedly on here, yet you do not want to accept mine. Pathetic Hypocrite.
Prove most professional women wait into their 40s to have children! I find that highly unlikely, considering fertility declines after age 35, and significantly by 40 something. Men's sperm quality decreases by age 40 and after. So I certainly hope the cougars have a younger baby daddy. And then there is the risk of Down's syndrome and other birth defects, which increase with pregnancies in women at or over 40, and/or with men at or over 40.
Sure it is their choice. And it is our's to go to a full time doctor. Doctors that are not in the clinic, do not hear about new studies on new products. No one really thinks about the new information that is disseminated by sales reps. It gives a basis for further investigation. There is no way to stay on top of all new information. Continuing Education requirements certainly are not enough. One must be in the loop, rather than child rearing, to stay competitive in knowledge base.
Sheeple is obviously clueless which is further proof he was never involved in HR. Professional women begin late 20's and early 30's having children.....some may end up in married housing in undergrad school with kids but that is not the norm. Women usually stop having kids at 40 for those reasons although there are a small percentage that may end up having their last child in their early 40's. Even then, it is usually not planned for reasons of the risk of fetal abnormalities. You're right, it's all about choice. A woman may choose to have kids and not be fully committed to her profession or abstain from children and be as fully committed as a man. Anyone who has hired men and women finds women as a general rule tend to take off work more than men for all kinds of reasons. Unfortunately, the political correctness machine does not allow people to speak frankly about this issue.

I wouldn't feel comfortable with a part-time physician, dentist, vet because how could they ever gain the experience the full timer has? This is critical for most professions. It takes time to keep current as you said, it takes experience to perform surgeries, it takes experience to know how to diagnose early and accurately, it takes experience to know how drugs interact beyond the PDR, etc. A part time physican will more than likely NOT be available when you need them. Schedules will be booked out too far in advance and emergencies may be pushed off to someone else less familiar with your case. This presents a problem especially in obstetrics because the patient will be rotated around since the part timer will more than likely not be able to follow his/her patients like a full time obgyn.

I'm not saying female physicans are not as qualified as men because many are. I have had numerous female physicians over the years. I've also known too many women who choose to be part time as soon as they graduate medical or dental school. Some never end up in practice which wasted a spot in that class. Others only end up working a couple days a week after they graduate and THAT is not best interest of their patients.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2601 Sep 5, 2013
Sheeple is obviously clueless which is further proof he was never involved in HR. Professional women begin late 20's and early 30's having children.....some may end up in married housing in undergrad school with kids but that is not the norm. Women usually stop having kids at 40 for those reasons although there are a small percentage that may end up having their last child in their early 40's. Even then, it is usually not planned for reasons of the risk of fetal abnormalities. You're right, it's all about choice. A woman may choose to have kids and not be fully committed to her profession or abstain from children and be as fully committed as a man. Anyone who has hired men and women finds women as a general rule tend to take off work more than men for all kinds of reasons. Unfortunately, the political correctness machine does not allow people to speak frankly about this issue.

I wouldn't feel comfortable with a part-time physician, dentist, vet because how could they ever gain the experience the full timer has? This is critical for most professions. It takes time to keep current as you said, it takes experience to perform surgeries, it takes experience to know how to diagnose early and accurately, it takes experience to know how drugs interact beyond the PDR, etc. A part time physican will more than likely NOT be available when you need them. Schedules will be booked out too far in advance and emergencies may be pushed off to someone else less familiar with your case. This presents a problem especially in obstetrics because the patient will be rotated around since the part timer will more than likely not be able to follow his/her patients like a full time obgyn.

I'm not saying female physicans are not as qualified as men because many are. I have had numerous female physicians over the years. I've also known too many women who choose to be part time as soon as they graduate medical or dental school. Some never end up in practice which wasted a spot in that class. Others only end up working a couple days a week after they graduate and THAT is not best interest of their patients.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2602 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, really.
Your presumption that women doctors would be part time doctors taking lengthy breaks to have children, or get married and take a break to have children.
Most professional women delay having children into their 40's now just so they AREN'T considered "part time" employees.
Either way, it's their choice, and certainly is no reflection of their professional capabilities.
Even a "part time doctor" is STILL more of a doctor than you'll ever be.
Wow, I didn't realize anyone could be so obtuse. If you were in the HR business, you of all people should know about these lengthy breaks .......6-8 weeks minimum but more often than not it is much longer particularly if there are complications. Then there are the issues of infancy and early childhood which also impacts attendance.

How does having children in your forties lessen the impact on professional capabilities? Maternal and fetal risks increase with age which leads to more time off from work. There is less time to gain experience, technique and keeping current during the optimum time in your career when you are part time. There is more of a disconnect with your patients when you are part time. There is less time to publish, lecture and engage in other activivites related to that profession.

It is a choice and YES it absolutely is a reflection of their professional capabilities....unless you can't put two and two together. Less time on the job will yield a less capable employee/professional.
Don Joe

Minneapolis, MN

#2603 Sep 5, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not racist or homophobic in the least. Some our best neighbors have been gay...... make my stomach turn....
I guess I don't need to add anything.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2604 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe because I'm a conservative libertarian.....
I never knew of a single female service member who got pregnant on purpose just to avoid deployments; and I worked medical for those 20+ years. That's as ignorant as saying men broke their legs on purpose just to avoid deployments and got "preferential treatment" because of their medical condition.
Most women planned their pregnancies to coincide with their shore rotation, because they knew being deployed was a must if they hoped to get advanced to the next rank. Of course unintended pregnancies did occur, but only the ignorant sexists would claim they did it just to get out of deployments.
You're not very bright because getting pregnant to avoid deployments is fairly common. She may not care about advancement when she gets paid to do little to nothing in order to maintain a hefty benefits package. You emptied bed pans and nothing more.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2605 Sep 5, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure they would confide in you that they purposely got pregnant. Lmao!
Who is ignorant? Did they not know what causes pregnancy?
With no proof to the contrary, a non-sexist would give the woman the benefit of the doubt.

Do you automatically assume the guy broke his leg on purpose to get out of a deployment?

How typical that you would of course assume the worst.

Btw, if you had a clue about the military, you'd know a pregnant woman- or a man with a broken leg- doesn't get out of their obligation to deploy; it is simply delayed until after the medical condition has resolved and they are fit for full duty again.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2606 Sep 5, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Wow! You really are going to try and push this lie? I swa many women that got pregnant to avoid deployment myself. And while we're at it; my son just graduated from the firefighter academy. He had one female that was in his class and she was graduated inspite of not being able to complete the rigorous physical qualifications. She was despised by the other firefighters because they cannot rely on her to help them if she cannot drag them to safety if need be. She may not be able to carry a smoke inhalation victim to safety either. She was passed due to "policy". Even the leadership mumbled about this issue. She scored the highest on the academic portion and that was the "qualifier". Book smarts don't save lives, sometimes physical ability saves lives.
As for women being paid different than men, it's because ment have always been bold to ask for raises where women are not as bold. I personally have known several women that complained about what they where paid. Once I told them to go and ASK for a raise, they got them every time.
I fear that your bragging about your experiences are nothing but fabricated lies or your world is so little that Disney would create a new "It's a really, really, small, tiny, minscual World" just for you.
So they told you they got pregnant to avoid deployment? Or was that just your sexist assumption?

I agree firefighter & police & EMTs & of course military members should all have to meet the same physical standards regardless of their gender.

I support opening all military positions to women as long as they have to meet the same physical requirements as the men. I also support them having to register for the draft as well.

That said, I've seen numerous obese male firefighters and other emergency personnel who certainly weren't fit enough to carry or even drag an injured person out of danger; in the military and in the civilian world alike. Ditto for a few scrawny men who didn't have the strength either. I've also seen women pick up 200lb men and carry them out of danger.

So if women were passed but not physically qualified, blame the men who passed them.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2607 Sep 5, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> There are estimates that if we did not play the political correctness quota games and we were actually based on freedom we would be up to twice as rich as a nation. All the quota are good as to NOT DENY. But what it really does is up the percentages of groups no matter if their abilities are not as good as the competition. There is still competency and good. Just not the great ones in the numbers needed to keep the prices lower and the advances moving without higher revenues needed.
And there are estimates that if the moon were made of cheese we wouldn't need foodstamps.

Yeah, that's about how much value your estimates have too....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2608 Sep 5, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>The only one who believes your blatant lies is you. Seek help because your life in your head is interfering with reality. I hardly think an ignorant radical racist like yourself would EVER get hired in HR.....EVER! You are not working now which supports my contention that you ran out of career options.
That's because I retired from the military, and after my 1 year stint running a Veterinary hospital I was financially able to retire for good. Of course having hubby retire from the military as well certainly helped our financial situation.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2609 Sep 5, 2013
Dr-Sniper wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what you posted Poindexter: WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>I was referring to "Dr"-Sniper's comments about women (not part-time workers), which is the conversation you jumped into in his defense.
I did not say ALL women do so. You just can't help yourself with the all or none implications can you? I do see it all the time. It is a reality. You use your experiences repeatedly on here, yet you do not want to accept mine. Pathetic Hypocrite.
Prove most professional women wait into their 40s to have children! I find that highly unlikely, considering fertility declines after age 35, and significantly by 40 something. Men's sperm quality decreases by age 40 and after. So I certainly hope the cougars have a younger baby daddy. And then there is the risk of Down's syndrome and other birth defects, which increase with pregnancies in women at or over 40, and/or with men at or over 40.
Sure it is their choice. And it is our's to go to a full time doctor. Doctors that are not in the clinic, do not hear about new studies on new products. No one really thinks about the new information that is disseminated by sales reps. It gives a basis for further investigation. There is no way to stay on top of all new information. Continuing Education requirements certainly are not enough. One must be in the loop, rather than child rearing, to stay competitive in knowledge base.
Right, because one can't rear a child and still be in the loop.....

Hmmm, does that apply to all working fathers as well, or only to those many women you supposedly know?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2610 Sep 5, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>You're not very bright because getting pregnant to avoid deployments is fairly common. She may not care about advancement when she gets paid to do little to nothing in order to maintain a hefty benefits package. You emptied bed pans and nothing more.
Then you should have no trouble offering proof of all those women who got pregnant to avoid deployments.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2611 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
With no proof to the contrary, a non-sexist would give the woman the benefit of the doubt.
Do you automatically assume the guy broke his leg on purpose to get out of a deployment?
How typical that you would of course assume the worst.
Btw, if you had a clue about the military, you'd know a pregnant woman- or a man with a broken leg- doesn't get out of their obligation to deploy; it is simply delayed until after the medical condition has resolved and they are fit for full duty again.
Getting pregnant as a way to opt out of a deployment in a less than favorable place is most certainly done. You need to be more aware. No one says ALL women do this but many do. A guy who breaks his leg could still be deployed but a pregnant woman will not because of the exposure to teratogens.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2612 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you should have no trouble offering proof of all those women who got pregnant to avoid deployments.
I don't need to submit proof to you because those who are familiar with this know I am right. There are women who actually say....whew I got pregnant! The timing of these 'accidents' is more than coincidental especially when you listen to the women who will admit their secret to you. It's very hush hush but if you have an inside track to this behavior, it's not a shock. BC rarely fails, if you do it right and with the right back up methods. The fact it would fail coincidently around the time of deployment goes beyond the odds. I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely. Military women should be required to use Plan B and fulfill their obligation or get out of the military.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2613 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Right, because one can't rear a child and still be in the loop.....
Hmmm, does that apply to all working fathers as well, or only to those many women you supposedly know?
You are putting words in his mouth. The primary caregiver puts their career in the backseat more so than the person who works fulltime...regardless of gender. Something is sacrificed when you do both...either the kid or the job.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#2614 Sep 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
That's because I retired from the military, and after my 1 year stint running a Veterinary hospital I was financially able to retire for good. Of course having hubby retire from the military as well certainly helped our financial situation.
You're a stitch although it would not be unlike the govt. to hire someone like yourself.......unqualified and a token. I still think you are lying about just about everything because your ignorance is too much for any employer to absorb. Maybe you sorted letters in a post office and imagined all these places you lived.

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