Senate holds all-night talkathon over...

Senate holds all-night talkathon over Obama nominees

There are 44 comments on the Yahoo! story from Dec 12, 2013, titled Senate holds all-night talkathon over Obama nominees. In it, Yahoo! reports that:

The Senate began an around-the-clock talkathon Wednesday over some of President Barack Obama's nominees as embittered and outnumbered Republicans refused to let the Senate take a break given new, Democratic-driven curbs on the GOP's power.

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Petaluma, CA

#22 Dec 13, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
So the GOPasaurs will do ANYTHING to prevent a vote.
Hmmm, what happened to "let the people vote"? I guess that doesn't apply when you OPPOSE the issue being debated.Typical hypocrites.
We can only hope that the voters are paying attention as these children tantrum away time which could be used more productively and constructively.

Naaaaah, we can only ask whether it will be a rerun of Green Eggs and Ham or will they elevate the talkathon to Shakespeare?

Need to grow up folks.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#23 Dec 13, 2013
Gary wrote:
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When the minority can filibuster virtually
every bill they don't like, it's minority rule.
Piffle. At worst, a filibuster is merely a delay. The majority gets to rule.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#24 Dec 13, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Slavery & segregation worked for over 200 years in America as well.
How has the minority's voice been "silenced"?
Who is preventing the GOPasaurs from holding press conferences? Or sending out emails? Or doing ad buys?
Oh that's right, NO ONE.
Just another red herring from the Teabaggers.
If the GOPasuars hadn't abused the rule, the Dems wouldn't have been forced to change it.
So will the GOPasaurs reinstate the rule if they ever take majority control-(that would be 60 Senators by your logic) of the Senate?
The very existence of this thread is an attempt to silence the minority. A complaint about a talkathon, which is permitted under the rules, is an attempt to silence the minority.
You know as well as I do that laws are not passed, nor is policy formed, in press conferences or emails. Silencing the minority in Congress robs the people of their right to disagree. As I said before, this is a dangerous step for the survival of this free republic. It can only lead to the silencing of everyone except the ruling elite.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#25 Dec 13, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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The very existence of this thread is an attempt to silence the minority. A complaint about a talkathon, which is permitted under the rules, is an attempt to silence the minority.
You know as well as I do that laws are not passed, nor is policy formed, in press conferences or emails. Silencing the minority in Congress robs the people of their right to disagree. As I said before, this is a dangerous step for the survival of this free republic. It can only lead to the silencing of everyone except the ruling elite.
Hmmm, and yet you are allowed to post the same as anyone else.

So obviously any attempt to "silence the minority" has failed yet again.

But keep crying; it's certainly your right.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#26 Dec 13, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Hmmm, and yet you are allowed to post the same as anyone else.
So obviously any attempt to "silence the minority" has failed yet again.
But keep crying; it's certainly your right.
Nobody could be as dense as you. You must really agree and simply are grasping at straws.

One more time. Being able to post in topix is not the same thing as being able to voice an opinion in Congress. Silencing the people's reprsentatives, up to 49% of the people's representatives, robs people of their right to disagree. That is not democracy. That is tyranny.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#27 Dec 13, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Nobody could be as dense as you. You must really agree and simply are grasping at straws.
One more time. Being able to post in topix is not the same thing as being able to voice an opinion in Congress. Silencing the people's reprsentatives, up to 49% of the people's representatives, robs people of their right to disagree. That is not democracy. That is tyranny.
The Republicans in Congress haven't shut up about this rule change for even 5 minutes, so any claim they are being "silenced" is simply ridiculous.

In fact the Senate recently went into a rare around the clock session so the Republicans could speak against the judicial nominations being pushed by the Democratic majority.

Nope, just another ridiculous claim from the losing side.

Try again.....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#28 Dec 13, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Nobody could be as dense as you. You must really agree and simply are grasping at straws.
One more time. Being able to post in topix is not the same thing as being able to voice an opinion in Congress. Silencing the people's reprsentatives, up to 49% of the people's representatives, robs people of their right to disagree. That is not democracy. That is tyranny.
Pssst- look up there, at the headline of this topic.....(all-night talkathon)....

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#29 Dec 13, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Pssst- look up there, at the headline of this topic.....(all-night talkathon)....
Pasts.... This thread started with my post 8 which was a reply to a complaint about the talk-a-thon. If you have no problem with the talk-a-thon, why argue with me? We are in agreement on this point.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#30 Dec 13, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Pasts.... This thread started with my post 8 which was a reply to a complaint about the talk-a-thon. If you have no problem with the talk-a-thon, why argue with me? We are in agreement on this point.
You don't see it? Really??

You're complaining the minority is being silenced.......

Yet the topic of this thread is the TALK-A-THON in the Senate........

Where the MINORITY party is TALKING NON-STOP.......

Still not seeing it???

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#31 Dec 13, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You don't see it? Really??
You're complaining the minority is being silenced.......
Yet the topic of this thread is the TALK-A-THON in the Senate........
Where the MINORITY party is TALKING NON-STOP.......
Still not seeing it???
You are complaining about the talk-a-thon. That is, you are complaining that the minority has not been silenced. It is your complaint about the talk-a-thon I am arguing against.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#32 Dec 14, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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You are complaining about the talk-a-thon. That is, you are complaining that the minority has not been silenced. It is your complaint about the talk-a-thon I am arguing against.
And yet they ARE still talking, STILL expressing their minority opinion, in spite of your claim they are being silenced.

My only complaint is they are simply STALLING the inevitable vote.

They have no actual concerns about their views not being heard. There only concern is LOSING the vote when it happens, and THAT is the only reason they are talking.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#33 Dec 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And yet they ARE still talking, STILL expressing their minority opinion, in spite of your claim they are being silenced.
My only complaint is they are simply STALLING the inevitable vote.
They have no actual concerns about their views not being heard. There only concern is LOSING the vote when it happens, and THAT is the only reason they are talking.
You are calling for the minority to be silenced. Your stance would prevent any dissension for any reason. That stance is not wise. It is a call for tyranny.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#34 Dec 15, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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You are calling for the minority to be silenced. Your stance would prevent any dissension for any reason. That stance is not wise. It is a call for tyranny.
Where did I call for the minority to be silenced?

Oh that's right, I didn't.

They can speak all they want, they just can't indefinitely delay a vote just for the sake of delaying the vote.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#35 Dec 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Where did I call for the minority to be silenced?
Oh that's right, I didn't.
They can speak all they want, they just can't indefinitely delay a vote just for the sake of delaying the vote.
Setting conditions on what can be said or for what reason it is said, like "they just can't..." is silencing the minority.

You've been suggesting this from post #1 of this topic. It is not a wise position to take as it ultimately leads to rule by the elite as it stifles all dissent. Therefore, it is unAmerican in principle.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#36 Dec 15, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Setting conditions on what can be said or for what reason it is said, like "they just can't..." is silencing the minority.
You've been suggesting this from post #1 of this topic. It is not a wise position to take as it ultimately leads to rule by the elite as it stifles all dissent. Therefore, it is unAmerican in principle.
So the minority should be able to delay a vote forever, essentially killing every bill proposed?

That would be called minority rule.

We're actually MAJORITY rule.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#37 Dec 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So the minority should be able to delay a vote forever, essentially killing every bill proposed?
That would be called minority rule.
We're actually MAJORITY rule.
Nobody is talking about forever or killing every bill or minority rule except you.
Senate. Rules for filibuster had worked in the USA for over 200 years and in other societies for over 2000 years. Never had majority rule been threatened through the use of filibuster. To suggest that the Republican talk-a-thon conducted under the new rules imposed by the majority (over objections by the minority) is minority rule or even threatens majority rule is ludicrous.

Is it possible that the minority might delay a vote for longer than the majority can bear? Sure.
Is it possible that the majority could be wrong? Sure.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#38 Dec 15, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Nobody is talking about forever or killing every bill or minority rule except you.
Senate. Rules for filibuster had worked in the USA for over 200 years and in other societies for over 2000 years. Never had majority rule been threatened through the use of filibuster. To suggest that the Republican talk-a-thon conducted under the new rules imposed by the majority (over objections by the minority) is minority rule or even threatens majority rule is ludicrous.
Is it possible that the minority might delay a vote for longer than the majority can bear? Sure.
Is it possible that the majority could be wrong? Sure.
You're the one who said there can be no limit imposed on how long they talk, or that would be "silencing" the minority.

So that means they would HAVE to be allowed to talk indefinitely- which would effectively kill every bill- or they'd be accused by the crybabies of trying to "silence the minority".

And the voice of the minority won't be silenced by this minor tweak to the filibuster fule.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#39 Dec 15, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You're the one who said there can be no limit imposed on how long they talk, or that would be "silencing" the minority.
So that means they would HAVE to be allowed to talk indefinitely- which would effectively kill every bill- or they'd be accused by the crybabies of trying to "silence the minority".
And the voice of the minority won't be silenced by this minor tweak to the filibuster fule.
I acknowledge that the minority could talk longer than the majority can bear, thereby killing a bill. But, nobody is suggesting that this would occur on every bill. As I pointed out in my previous post, it is possible that the majority is wrong on a bill, but not likely wrong on every bill it proposes. Anything is possible, I guess, so the minority might talk all bills to death if the majority is wrong in all cases. What would happen in this instance? I suppose the voters would decide at the next election.(Unless either side actually did manage to talk them to death!)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#40 Dec 16, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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I acknowledge that the minority could talk longer than the majority can bear, thereby killing a bill. But, nobody is suggesting that this would occur on every bill. As I pointed out in my previous post, it is possible that the majority is wrong on a bill, but not likely wrong on every bill it proposes. Anything is possible, I guess, so the minority might talk all bills to death if the majority is wrong in all cases. What would happen in this instance? I suppose the voters would decide at the next election.(Unless either side actually did manage to talk them to death!)
My view is the voters ALREADY decided during the LAST 3 elections when they kept the Dems in the majority in the Senate. I take that as evidence they wanted Presidents Obama's judicial nominees confirmed by the Senate. Otherwise they'd have given the GOP the majority.
Dan Salazar

AOL

#41 Dec 16, 2013
California AB 1266....Google it and Weep.

Once you google this new Progressive Law you will understand why Reid had to invoke the Nuke Option to pack the Fed Courts with far leftwingers so they can freely decimate American family values and basic standards of accepted decency,.

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