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Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

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The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#41529 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Marriage is a distinct human relationship.
ss couples are clearly not equal from the get-go.
Thanks, yet again, for sharing your personal opinion. Sad, that's all you have left.

Still married, in every sense of the word, just like you. Not partnered, not coupled, not "united, but married.

Troll on, Hunty.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#41530 Aug 4, 2013
Wondering wrote:
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That's why we have an overcrowded prison system. Too many people defining their own concept of existence.
Our prison population is a result of people failing to follow the golden rule.

The prison problem is not self actualization, but unwanted interference in the lives of others.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#41531 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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The Regenerus study is the latest, largest and most scientific study to date. It was exonerated of all gay charges by peers.
Bull.

The American Sociological Association's SCOTUS brief destroys claims made that same-sex households are inferior when it comes to raising children, which is a major argument for those pushing Prop 8 and DOMA. "The ASA especially calls out the Mark Regnerus study, which is the recent controversial study claiming children raised in same-sex households suffer adverse efffects. Supporters of Prop 8 made this study a huge part of their arguments in spite of fact that it has been discredited."

Since: Jun 11

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#41532 Aug 4, 2013
ASA said the following about the Regnerus study in its brief (pgs. 26-29):

"First, the Regnerus study does not specifically examine children born or adopted into same-sex parent families, but instead examines children who, from the time they were born until they were 18 or moved out, had a parent who at any time had “a same-sex romantic relationship.”. As Regnerus noted, the majority of the individuals characterized by him as children of “lesbian mothers” and “gay fathers” were the offspring of failed opposite- sex unions whose parent subsequently had a same-sex relationship. In other words, Regnerus did not study or analyze the children of two same-sex parents.

Second, when the Regnerus study compared the children of parents who at one point had a “same-sex romantic relationship,” most of whom had experienced a family dissolution or single motherhood, to children raised by two biological, married opposite-sex parents, the study stripped away all divorced, single, and stepparent families from the opposite-sex group, leaving only stable, married, opposite-sex families as the comparison... Thus, it was hardly surprising that the opposite-sex group had better outcomes given that stability is a key predictor of positive child wellbeing. By so doing, the Regnerus study makes inappropriate apples-to-oranges comparisons.

Third, Regnerus’s first published analysis of his research data failed to consider whether the children lived with, or were raised by, the parent who was, at some point, apparently involved in “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex” and that same-sex partner. Instead, Regnerus categorized children as raised by a parent in a same-sex romantic relationship regardless of whether they were in fact raised by the parent and the parent’s same-sex romantic partner and regardless of the amount of time that they spent under the parent’s care. As a result, so long as an adult child believed that he or she had had a parent who had a relationship with someone of the same sex, then he or she was counted by Regnerus as having been “raised by” a parent in a same-sex relationship.

Fourth, in contrast to every other study on same-sex parenting, Regnerus identified parents who had purportedly engaged in a same-sex romantic relationship based solely on the child’s own retrospective report of the parent’s romantic relationships, made once the child was an adult. This unusual measurement strategy ignored the fact that the child may have limited and inaccurate recollections of the parents’ distant romantic past.

Finally, the study fails to account for the fact that the negative outcomes may have been caused by other childhood events or events later in the individual’s adult life, particularly given that the vast majority (thirty-seven of forty) of the outcomes measured were adult and not childhood outcomes. Factors other than same-sex parenting are likely to explain these negative outcomes in the Regnerus study. Regnerus himself concludes that “I am thus not suggesting that growing up with a lesbian mother or gay father causes suboptimal outcomes because of the sexual orientation or sexual behavior of the parent.”

In sum, by conflating (1) children raised by same-sex parents with (2) individuals who reportedly had a parent who had “a romantic relationship with someone of the same sex,” and referring to such individuals as children of “lesbian mothers” or “gay fathers,” the Regnerus study obscures the fact that it did not specifically examine children raised by two same-sex parents. Accordingly, it cannot speak to the impact of same-sex parenting on child outcomes."

American Sociological Association

Since: Jun 11

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#41533 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Those churches are apostate.
However, based on science, ss marriage is an oxymoron.
Your personal prejudice. Not a statement of fact.
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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#41535 Aug 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Your personal prejudice. Not a statement of fact.
No, it is simply based on Matthew 19 and the historical consensus of Christianity.

As to Regnerus, we have been over this, I've posted Slate articles exposing the duplicity of lesbian studies, and the Dr. Marks comparison of those studies with legitimate survey methods.

What is highly ironic is a gay defending lesbian studies. Go get your own!

Since: Jun 11

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#41536 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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No, it is simply based on Matthew 19 and the historical consensus of Christianity.
As to Regnerus, we have been over this, I've posted Slate articles exposing the duplicity of lesbian studies, and the Dr. Marks comparison of those studies with legitimate survey methods.
What is highly ironic is a gay defending lesbian studies. Go get your own!
Lesbians are gay women.

Over 30 years of research has shown the deteriming variable is the relationship between the parent and child, not the gender of the parent.

Again, the American Sociological Associan rejects the Regnerus study and explains why it is bogus.

Your prejudice still fails to provide a legitimate excuse for denial of equal treatment of the marriages of same sex couples.
beers

Plano, IL

#41537 Aug 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>Illogical. Many are Christians. Many Christian congregations celebrate same sex marriage.

Are you forgetting that many of other faiths get married too? Marriage does not belong to any one religion. Each religion may have their own additional requirements and rituals, but marriage is a fundamental right of all persons.

Why do those like you so vehemently scream it must not be marriage?

You are free to determine what your marriage means to you. You are not free to impose your personal beliefs on everyone else. Marriage is a fundamental right, and each couple is free to determine what it means to them.

Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992):“These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
Nope. Bible clearly states one man one woman. It's a Christian belief. How one church or another choose to define it is regardless. The bible what all Christians believe in being the true word of god clearly states what marriage is. It is their choice to redefine gods words. Just as it is for them to reap what they sow.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41538 Aug 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Lesbians are gay women.
Over 30 years of research has shown the deteriming variable is the relationship between the parent and child, not the gender of the parent.
Again, the American Sociological Associan rejects the Regnerus study and explains why it is bogus.
Your prejudice still fails to provide a legitimate excuse for denial of equal treatment of the marriages of same sex couples.
Most often gay refers to male homosexuals.

Never the less, the studies are about lesbian couples.

Interesting huh?

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#41539 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Those churches are apostate.
However, based on science, ss marriage is an oxymoron.
Opinion, and opinion.

At any rate, my prostate is none of your damned business.

Troll on, Hunty

Since: Jun 11

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#41540 Aug 4, 2013
beers wrote:
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Nope. Bible clearly states one man one woman. It's a Christian belief. How one church or another choose to define it is regardless. The bible what all Christians believe in being the true word of god clearly states what marriage is. It is their choice to redefine gods words. Just as it is for them to reap what they sow.
The bible provides 8 types of marriage. Your ignoring the other 7 doesn't change that.

Nor does it provide an excuse for making all persons of all faiths as well as those of none at all, adhere to your religious beliefs. You are free to apply any additional restrictions on marriage you choose in your own church. You may not impose your religious restrictions on those of other religions or none at all.

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#41541 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Most often gay refers to male homosexuals.
Never the less, the studies are about lesbian couples.
Interesting huh?
For you perhaps, but to most gay women and men, as well as to social scientists, "gay woman" and "lesbian" are interchangeable. Some prefer one term while others prefer the other term.

Most same sex parent studies have looked at gay women because they have been able to be more open about living together and raising children. Yet some studies have looked at gay men as well as gay women, and found what we already know: the determining variable is the relationship between parent and child, not the gender of the parent.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41542 Aug 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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The bible provides 8 types of marriage. Your ignoring the other 7 doesn't change that.
Nor does it provide an excuse for making all persons of all faiths as well as those of none at all, adhere to your religious beliefs. You are free to apply any additional restrictions on marriage you choose in your own church. You may not impose your religious restrictions on those of other religions or none at all.
No, it is consistent. One man and one woman.

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#41543 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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No, it is consistent. One man and one woman.
Wrong. For someone who claims to have studied the bible, you should know there are 8 types found there.
Dusty Vagina

Paris, IL

#41544 Aug 4, 2013
My Prostate like my head is so far up my ass you couldn't get a tow truck to pull it out. Now as to lesbian couples I think about them when I have sex with MY WIFE a real woman.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#41545 Aug 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Wrong. For someone who claims to have studied the bible, you should know there are 8 types found there.
You have GOT to get off those gay twirl sites!

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#41546 Aug 4, 2013
Dusty Vagina wrote:
My Prostate like my head is so far up my ass you couldn't get a tow truck to pull it out. Now as to lesbian couples I think about them when I have sex with MY WIFE a real woman.
The inflatable sex doll that you ordered from Adamandeve.com is not a real woman. Why is your head up your ass? You must be very flexible.

Since: Jun 11

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#41547 Aug 4, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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You have GOT to get off those gay twirl sites!
Plenty of documentation, including the Bible.

Yet irrelevant, as the bible is not the source of our laws.

We have a constitution that requires equal treatment for all persons.(Of course, the same requirement of equal treatment can also be found in the bible as well as in all other major religious and even non-religious ethical belief systems.)

You may attach any meaning to your own marriage you choose, based on any religious text, tradition, or none at all. You may not use your religious beliefs to impose your personal requirements on all others. They are also free to attach their own personal meanings and restrictions on their own marriages.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#41548 Aug 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Plenty of documentation, including the Bible.
Yet irrelevant, as the bible is not the source of our laws.
We have a constitution that requires equal treatment for all persons.(Of course, the same requirement of equal treatment can also be found in the bible as well as in all other major religious and even non-religious ethical belief systems.)
You may attach any meaning to your own marriage you choose, based on any religious text, tradition, or none at all. You may not use your religious beliefs to impose your personal requirements on all others. They are also free to attach their own personal meanings and restrictions on their own marriages.
I don't use the Bible to expose the duplicity of a fake relationship being imposed on marriage.

The Bible gives ONE expression of God intended marriage. It is found at the very beginning, and confirmed by Jesus in Matthew 19.
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beers

United States

#41550 Aug 4, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>Plenty of documentation, including the Bible.

Yet irrelevant, as the bible is not the source of our laws.

We have a constitution that requires equal treatment for all persons.(Of course, the same requirement of equal treatment can also be found in the bible as well as in all other major religious and even non-religious ethical belief systems.)

You may attach any meaning to your own marriage you choose, based on any religious text, tradition, or none at all. You may not use your religious beliefs to impose your personal requirements on all others. They are also free to attach their own personal meanings and restrictions on their own marriages.
Actually the bible is the source of pretty much all our laws. You may choose to ignore that, but it doesn't change the original laws of this country.

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