Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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Before any other issue can be put on the table, the basic question of whether a relationship qualifies as marriage must be answered.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
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It has been answered by a multitude of other countries and a variety of states in this country.

The results are already in.

I know you think you are clever with your "definition", but it has no bearing on marriage at all, since no marriage is required in order to have sex, and marriage only places such constraints on sex as each couple and individual chooses.

What types and sorts of "mating behaviors" each couple might engage in are intentionally absent from marriage law, as long as all parties are able to legally consent.
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Gay couples are a defective, desolate contradiction of the very basic goal of evolution.
Hence, the very term 'gay marriage' is an oxymoron. Literally 'unmarriage'.
That reality can't be legislated or legalized.
Sorry.
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That's only your opinion, and one not based in logic or reality.

It may be YOUR "truth", but it doesn't apply to anyone else.
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Your "If - Thens" aren't based on logic, and your conclusions are not based in fact.
Why keep posting this, when you know it isn't truth-based?
I'm sorry, your unspecific opinion does nothing to validate your claim. In fact it makes you look stupid.

Which begs the question, why does it annoy you then...

Why a specific one and see who has the facts and logic?

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Before any other issue can be put on the table, the basic question of whether a relationship qualifies as marriage must be answered.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Gay couples are a defective, desolate contradiction of the very basic goal of evolution.
Hence, the very term 'gay marriage' is an oxymoron. Literally 'unmarriage'.
That reality can't be legislated or legalized.
Sorry.
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It was two of you heteros that ate the forbidden fruit and received the curse of childbirth as your reward
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Genesis 3:16> Unto the woman HE said, "I will greatly multiply thy sorowe and thy conception. In sorow thou shalt bring forth children: and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and hee shall rule ouer thee."
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Gays are exempt from the curse of childbirth; but we do have biblical marriage instructions in this example from the Authorized King James Bible:
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1 Samuel 18 :1> And it came to passe when hee made an ende of speaking vnto Saul, that the soule of Ionathan was knit with the soule of Dauid, and Ionathan loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:3> Then Ionathan and Dauid made a couenant, because he loued him as his owne soule.
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1 Samuel 18:4> And Ionathan stript himselfe of the robe that was vpon him, and gaue it to Dauid, and his garments, euen to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
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1 Samuel 20:41> And assoone as the ladde was gone, Dauid arose out of a place toward the South, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himselfe three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, vntill Dauid exceeded.
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1 Samuel 20:42> And Ionathan said to Dauid, Goe in peace, forasmuch as wee haue sworne both of vs in the Name of the Lord, saying; The Lord be betweene me and thee, and betweene my seede and thy seede for euer. And hee arose, and departed: and Ionathan went into the citie.
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mightie fallen in the midst of the battell! O Ionathan, thou wast slaine in thine high places.
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2 Samuel 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Ionathan, very pleasant hast thou beene vnto mee: thy loue to mee was wonderfull, passing the loue of women.
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Excuse me. This debate is not about the Bible. If you have a counter for the basic scientific essence of marriage, then please present it. If not, I'll take your lack of direct response and change of subject as a concession.

If you want to have a separate discussion about marriage and the Bible, I'm game. As a first shot, please explain why David would be judged for adultery with Bathsheba, and not with Jonathon if they had a sexual relationship?

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It has been answered by a multitude of other countries and a variety of states in this country.
The results are already in.
I know you think you are clever with your "definition", but it has no bearing on marriage at all, since no marriage is required in order to have sex, and marriage only places such constraints on sex as each couple and individual chooses.
What types and sorts of "mating behaviors" each couple might engage in are intentionally absent from marriage law, as long as all parties are able to legally consent.
The basic essence of marriage has been ignored, it can't be 'answered' because it is a fact.

Moreover, you are dishonest about the basis of government interest in marriage;

"We are dealing here with legislation which involves one of the basic civil rights of man. Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race."- Skinner v Oklahoma

"Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival."- Loving v Virginia

"Our Court has not recognized a fundamental right to marry that departs in any respect from the right defined by the US Supreme Court in cases like Skinner which acknowledged that marriage is "fundamental to the very existence and survival of the [human] race" because it is the primary institution supporting procreation and child-rearing (316 US at 541; see also Zablocki, 434 US 374; Griswold, 381 US 479). The binary nature of marriage—its inclusion of one woman and one man—reflects the biological fact that human procreation cannot be accomplished without the genetic contribution of both a male and a female. Marriage creates a supportive environment for procreation to occur and the resulting offspring to be nurtured. Although plaintiffs suggest that the connection between procreation and marriage has become anachronistic because of scientific advances in assisted reproduction technology, the fact remains that the vast majority of children are conceived naturally through sexual contact between a woman and a man."- Hernandez v Robels

"It is an institution in the maintenance of which in its purity the public is deeply interested, for it is the foundation of the family and of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress. "- Maynard v Hill

Moreover, you are simply equating a selective friendship with marriage. Not only a radical dumbing down of marriage, but prejudicial in every aspect of it's claim. Additionally, the government has no prevailing interest in protecting a friendship.

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'Marriage equity'?
Two people. Anything else?
All I see is an imposter relationship masquerading as a marriage when it is nothing more than a friendship.
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Nothing more than a friendship...because we all have sex, make out, romance, cohabitate, have children with, and etc with friends am I right?

You must have some very interesting friendships.

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My bad.
The sad thing is, I know better, and usually resist.
My fear is that someone who doesn't know better might drop by and think there is merit to the excuses. So every now and then, I feel the need to respond.
I'll also claim the excuse others are feeding it as well, but I know that is a poor one. Even abuse is reinforcement, though I promise my motives were pure. I'll try to do better.
Personally I like seeing him get spanked page after page. It may be feeding a troll but I've actually learned a lot of good arguments from reading peoples responses to idiots on this site. I see them as a sort of target practic.
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Truth is irrational and prejudicial?
You have yet to give a rational rebuttal to my points. Look at your post. Ad homoan attacks without a single specific rebuttal!
Moreover, you give partial quotes that distort the truth of SCOTUS rulings, and refuse to correct them when asked. It is another response that destroys the moral integrity of your position.
The government does have a legitimate interest in protecting the sole and best birthplace of every other human relationship. It has NO legitimate interest in extending those protections selectively to a friendship while discriminating against numerous other types of friendships.
That is the simple truth.
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Ad homoan troll attack.
Still waiting for a rational rebuttle...
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It fully deserved the castigation and mocking delivered.

I sink the knife of reality to the hilt into the belly of denial and twist it with a smirk. I kick at darkness until it bleeds light!

Did you say 'ouch'?

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Don't forget, it's only ad hominem troll attacks when it's someone else doing it.

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Nothing more than a friendship...because we all have sex, make out, romance, cohabitate, have children with, and etc with friends am I right?

You must have some very interesting friendships.

Personally I like seeing him get spanked page after page. It may be feeding a troll but I've actually learned a lot of good arguments from reading peoples responses to idiots on this site. I see them as a sort of target practic.
Am I surprised a gay likes to see me spanked???

I simply was relating it to the recent TV series 'Friends'.

As to gays having kids together, really?

With one side of your mouth you remove kids from the equation so you can claim marriage, now you want to make sex a requirement. Selective bigotry, isn't it?

I would suggest your definition of spanking is as accurate as your claim of marriage.

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Am I surprised a gay likes to see me spanked???
I simply was relating it to the recent TV series 'Friends'.
As to gays having kids together, really?
With one side of your mouth you remove kids from the equation so you can claim marriage, now you want to make sex a requirement. Selective bigotry, isn't it?
I would suggest your definition of spanking is as accurate as your claim of marriage.
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I'm a lesbian, sorry to burst your fantasy.

I didn't say they were requirements. I just find it funny that you would reduce a relationship in which all these things exist to nothing more than a friendship.

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I'm a lesbian, sorry to burst your fantasy.
I didn't say they were requirements. I just find it funny that you would reduce a relationship in which all these things exist to nothing more than a friendship.
Oh, I reduced nothing. I simply noted a distinction between friendships and marriage.

You forget that David and Jonathan had a phenomenal friendship, distinct from their marriages, but still an amazing friendship.

As much as you like seeing me spanked, maybe you are not the lesbian you thought you were?

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Oh, I reduced nothing. I simply noted a distinction between friendships and marriage.
You forget that David and Jonathan had a phenomenal friendship, distinct from their marriages, but still an amazing friendship.
As much as you like seeing me spanked, maybe you are not the lesbian you thought you were?
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Once again you have a strange definition of friendship. What would you call the relationship between two people of any gender who have sex and romance out of curiousity? Not my definition of marriage btw, just wondering what you would call them.

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Once again you have a strange definition of friendship. What would you call the relationship between two people of any gender who have sex and romance out of curiousity? Not my definition of marriage btw, just wondering what you would call them.
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Immoral.
Oh you silly snake you. I expected you to try to piss me off instead of actually answering, I have not been disappointed.

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Oh you silly snake you. I expected you to try to piss me off instead of actually answering, I have not been disappointed.
LOL!
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Live and let live. WHY is it ANYONE else's business who someone LOVES?
WHY is their FAMILY any of YOUR business?
WHAT HARM ARE THEY DOING TO YOU?
WHY do you HATE them for who they LOVE?`
If I am to believe the "christians", and their "god" whom they claim creates EVERY thing in this world, WHY would YOUR "god" create "some of his children" to be HATED, ridiculed & to be murdered by YOU? That's insane! YOU ARE INSANE!
WHAT HARM ARE THEY DOING TO YOU?
WHY do you HATE them for who they LOVE?`
WHAT HARM ARE THEY DOING TO YOU?
WHY do you HATE them for who they LOVE?

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To them the harm is to society. They have this absurd notion that the country as a whole somehow has a set of morals that should be maintained. They like to impose their morals on everybody else. They don't believe in live and let live. That you are free to be whoever you want and do whatever you want as long as there is no harm to anyone else. They don't believe in freedom.

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To them the harm is to society. They have this absurd notion that the country as a whole somehow has a set of morals that should be maintained. They like to impose their morals on everybody else. They don't believe in live and let live. That you are free to be whoever you want and do whatever you want as long as there is no harm to anyone else. They don't believe in freedom.
Ain't it the truth! But Illinois will soon be added to the states of Maine,Maryland and lets not forget Washington state! And the good thing is they can't do anything to stop the march of equality!Isn't the Constitution great,gotta especially love that 14th amendment!
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Wow, this Kimare dude is getting his ass handed to him on a platter.

I notice he copies and pastes the same stuff on multiple threads. What a sad tool he must be.
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Yes, Kimare is one sick puppy. He's got some mental issues, but he refuses to seek help for them. He seriously thinks that his opinions represent national norms.

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