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Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches

There are 9647 comments on the The Skanner story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches. In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

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#9941 Jan 14, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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So, according to your formula, everybody must marry someone of a different race and ethnicity in order to assure diversity.
It makes far more sense to allow individuals to choose whether to marry someone outside their race, ethnicity, or gender if that's what they want to do. Nobody suggests that we should FORCE people to marry outside their race or ethncity.
This silly argument seems to rely on the false belief everyone would be required to marry a person of the same sex. But marriage equality would actually expand the choice from one gender to two, giving bisexual people a choice, and thereby expanding diversity rather than restricting it.

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#9942 Jan 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>That's true; homosexuals have always married under the same laws as everyone else.
Who cares what Gays and Lesbians did in the past? The fact remains that they DON'T have to live a lie anymore and should be able to marry the person of their choosing, NOT based on what's between their legs!!!!

If you are happy with things in France......then maybe you should go live there, but this protest doesn't mean the end of the fight......it's just a protest!!!

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#9943 Jan 14, 2013
I've made no arguments about race or ethnicity in marriage; I'm just pointing out the fact:

Same sex marriage creates a new standard of gender apartheid in marriage. Where traditional marriage has always been gender diverse; same sex marriage introduces gender segregation in marriage.

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#9944 Jan 14, 2013
Some homosexuals choose to marry their child's other parent; I commend that wisdom.

Here's an example of another bit of wisdom from a gay man:

Xavier Bongibault, a member of a group called Plus Gay Sans Mariage -- More Gay Without Marriage -- said the demonstration is not for the homophobic.

He said many people who are gay or support gay rights believe marriage should be reserved for heterosexuals.

"In France marriage is not a contract about love: it is a contract that creates the framework for the protection of children. I believe a child must have a mother and father," he said. "Everyone has the right to get married. I am homosexual but if I wanted to get married I could find a woman. Marriage has certain conditions, the main one of which is that it has to be between a man and woman."

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/0...

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#9945 Jan 14, 2013
DIDN'T Lincoln set the Blacks FREE?? Are we NOT FREE CITIZENS living in the good ole USA?? So, WHY THE FREAK should Maryland bar worried THAT the Blacks SHOULD vote this down?? If you are GAY..You could be of any race, culture and social class... WE in America are going backwards NOT forward.. FOR Equal Rights for One and All..sometimes, I truly am ashamed to be an American. Like when the President and their competitor are vying for the Presidential seat for the next four year term..THEY single out a certain group of citizens.. such as the Hispanics, Asians or Geographical states.. the North , Central or Southern states.
WHY?? Are we NOT As One Country.. WHY are some STILL being Segorated??

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#9946 Jan 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I've made no arguments about race or ethnicity in marriage; I'm just pointing out the fact:
Same sex marriage creates a new standard of gender apartheid in marriage. Where traditional marriage has always been gender diverse; same sex marriage introduces gender segregation in marriage.
Brian, if you don't even understand what you write. I'm not sure why you write at all. You said:
Brian_G wrote:
Ssme seex marriage = gender segregation marriage
Same race marriage = racial segregation
Same ethnic group marriage = ethnic segregation
Obviously, you are implying some sort of parallel. Of course, this is an argument we have ourselves been making, but you have previously tried to pretend doesn't exist.

If these idea are parallel, what can we conclude?

People should be free to marry someone of the same or different ethnicity.

People should be free to marry someone of the same or different race.

Therefore, people should be free to marry someone of the same or different gender.

If you ever get a clue how logic works, you could become dangerous.

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#9947 Jan 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
I've made no arguments about race or ethnicity in marriage; I'm just pointing out the fact:
Same sex marriage creates a new standard of gender apartheid in marriage. Where traditional marriage has always been gender diverse; same sex marriage introduces gender segregation in marriage.
Again Brian, you have NO facts!!!

Sorry, but if you deny one to marry based on gender, than you really don't understand DIVERSITY at all!!!

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#9948 Jan 14, 2013
Colorado Chick wrote:
DIDN'T Lincoln set the Blacks FREE?? Are we NOT FREE CITIZENS living in the good ole USA?? So, WHY THE FREAK should Maryland bar worried THAT the Blacks SHOULD vote this down?? If you are GAY..You could be of any race, culture and social class... WE in America are going backwards NOT forward.. FOR Equal Rights for One and All..sometimes, I truly am ashamed to be an American. Like when the President and their competitor are vying for the Presidential seat for the next four year term..THEY single out a certain group of citizens.. such as the Hispanics, Asians or Geographical states.. the North , Central or Southern states.
WHY?? Are we NOT As One Country.. WHY are some STILL being Segorated??
Happily, the election is over and a majority of blacks, along with a majority of all Marylanders, voted for equality. We are moving forward.

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#9949 Jan 14, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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Happily, the election is over and a majority of blacks, along with a majority of all Marylanders, voted for equality. We are moving forward.
AND..this is WHY America WILL remain STRONG with her Values..For We Are One Nation GOD..
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#9950 Jan 14, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Please tell us what you think is untrue in this statement:
Ssme seex marriage = gender segregation marriage
Same race marriage = racial segregation
Same ethnic group marriage = ethnic segregation
[]Before the 21st century, all written law defined marriage as gender integrated, between male and female. In the West we had a perfect affirmative action of 1:1, man and woman. That gender integrated institution had gender diversity harmony.
Now, same sex marriage supporters want a new standard of gender apartheid marriage; that's why I support marriage as one man and one woman.
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<quoted text>I stand by what I wrote before:
[]You can see from the [quote] above; many same sex marriage supporters don't use reason; this is an example of the ad hominem fallacy. They base their opinions on how it makes them feel instead of considering the consequences. From the question above; they find it difficult to think about the things they support.[ That's why they defame their political opponents and post hate speech!]
If you love rationality; keep marriage one man and one woman.
You dont ecver post 1 single fact or truth..YOU ONLY POST YOUR NAZI FASCIST KKK LIES......

Now sit down and wait for your rapture ..........WE THE PEOPLE WILL MOVE FOWARD AND INTO THE MODERN AND FUTURE TIMES....Your kind is dying off.....GOOD..........
Most people under 40 support same sex marriage..WHEN YOU OLD BIGOTED NAZI PIGS DIE OFF ALL THE BETTER FOR THE WORLD.....HOPE YOU GET CANCER AND DIE IN PAIN YOU TRASH...

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#9951 Jan 14, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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Who cares what Gays and Lesbians did in the past? The fact remains that they DON'T have to live a lie anymore and should be able to marry the person of their choosing, NOT based on what's between their legs!!!!
If you are happy with things in France......then maybe you should go live there, but this protest doesn't mean the end of the fight......it's just a protest!!!
By qualifying his statement using the word "laws" he hopes to discount the documentation demonstrating gay people have been forming committed relationships at various times and places throughout history.

But I agree that a history of irrational prejudice and discrimination is not a valid justification for continuing that prejudice and discrimination, no matter how popular.

"At times throughout history, same-sex relationships have enjoyed relative freedom within their respective places.

Evidence exists that same-sex marriages were tolerated in parts of Mesopotamia and ancient Egypt. Artifacts from Egypt, for example, show that same-sex relationships not only existed, but the discovery of a pharaonic tomb for such a couple shows their union was recognized by the kingdom. Meanwhile, accounts of the Israelites' departure for Canaan include their condemnation of Egyptian acceptance of same-sex practice. In actuality, same-sex marital practices and rituals are less known in Egypt compared to Mesopotamia, where documents exist for a variety of marital practices, including male lovers of kings and polyandry. None of the recorded laws of Mesopotamia, including the Code of Hammurabi, contain restrictions against same-sex unions despite the fact that marriages are otherwise well regulated. "
http://www.randomhistory.com/history-of-gay-m...

A book by the Dominican missionary and Prior, Jacques Goar (1601-1653), includes same sex ceremonies in a printed collection of Greek Orthodox prayer books,“Euchologion Sive Rituale Graecorum Complectens Ritus Et Ordines Divinae Liturgiae”(Paris, 1667).

Another book by Gerald of Wales (‘Geraldus Cambrensis’) recorded same gender Christian sanctified unions also took place in Ireland in the late 12th and early 13th centuries.

"Historical evidence, including legal documents and gravesites, can be interpreted as supporting the prevalence of homosexual relationships hundreds of years ago, said Allan Tulchin of Shippensburg University in Pennsylvania.

Gay Marriage Is As Old As History www.gaychristian101.com/Gay-Marriage.html

There is more on this site and others, including Asian and other cultures, but space does not allow...

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#9952 Jan 14, 2013
This is fantasy. There has never been gay marriage anytime in history, even in cultures which allowed homosexuality like Greece and Rome. You gays are trying your damndest to make homoasspumpuality normal and it never will be. Now, you are trying to retroactively say that gay marriage is part of history? LIES. Just because Obama is now for gay marriage does not mean that black people or Latino people are for it. We are not, for the most part.

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#9953 Jan 14, 2013
_Reality Speaks_ wrote:
This is fantasy. There has never been gay marriage anytime in history, even in cultures which allowed homosexuality like Greece and Rome. You gays are trying your damndest to make homoasspumpuality normal and it never will be. Now, you are trying to retroactively say that gay marriage is part of history? LIES. Just because Obama is now for gay marriage does not mean that black people or Latino people are for it. We are not, for the most part.
Documentation can be found in many places around the world. Your refusal to even consider it does not mean it does not exist.

Additionally: "In 2009, Julian Bond wrote, "Black people, of all people, should not oppose equality. And that is what gay marriage represents.... No people of good will should oppose marriage equality. And they should not think that civil unions are a substitute. At best, civil unions are separate but equal. And we all know separate is never equal."

John Lewis, testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Defense of Marriage Act, remarked, "I am very happy to see the Judiciary Committee holding hearings to address the issue of marriage equality. But at the same time, I must admit I find it unbelievable that in the year 2011 there is still a need to hold hearings and debate whether or not a human being should be able to marry the one they love."

Standing at a podium in front of the State Legislative Building for HKonJ last month, the Rev. Dr. William Barber II, North Carolina NAACP chairman, declared, "They're trying to give people, based on their sexuality, a kind of second- or third-class citizenship. We know what that looks like in the NAACP, and we're calling it what it is."

The Rev. Al Sharpton, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, South African President Nelson Mandela, the Rev. Dr. James Lawson, National NAACP President Benjamin Todd Jealous - a veritable Who's Who of civil rights - all support marriage equality.

Julian Bond, who testified, "When I'm asked if gay rights are civil rights, my answer is always:'Of course they are.' Civil rights are positive legal prerogatives, the right to equal treatment before the law.... There's no one in the United States who does not, or should not, share in enjoying these rights."

http://www.thepilot.com/news/2012/mar/18/yes-...
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#9955 Jan 14, 2013
NOM's plan to cultivate a "wedge" between minority communities was revealed earlier this week when the Human Rights Campaign circulated a previously confidential document after a federal judge in Maine ordered it to be unsealed. The December 2009 internal NOM document states, "We aim to find, equip, energize and connect African-American spokespeople for marriage; to develop a media campaign around their objections to marriage as a civil right."

In a written statement released Wednesday, NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous said, "This memo only reveals the limits of a cynical agenda. The truth is that no group, no matter how well-funded, can drive an artificial wedge between our communities. People of color understand what it is like to be the target of discrimination. No public relations strategy will make us forget that.”

The National Black Justice Coalition also denounced NOM on Wednesday. The non-profit's Executive Director and CEO Sharon Letteman-Hicks (above, left) said in a written statement, "These documents expose NOM for what it really is—a hate group determined to use African American faith leaders as pawns to push their damaging agenda and as mouthpieces to amplify that hatred. With these memos made public, the black faith community must refuse to be exploited and refuse to deny their fellow brothers and sisters equal protections under the law." http://www.gay.net/news/2012/03/29/black-civi...

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#9954 Jan 14, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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We will see soon enough and you can move to Texas, but eventually Marriage Equality will happen there as well.
Texas will secede from the union before gay marriage will be accepted.
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#9956 Jan 14, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
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One more thing, the ruling from SCOTUS if on the merits will be about the argument that is present to them.......Charles Cooper has already lost on that argument twice now........I don't believe a third time will be a charm for him or the proponents of Prop 8!!!!
Denying the right to marry for Gays and Lesbians WILL NOT make heterosexuals more procreative responsible......and that is basically Cooper's WHOLE argument in a nut shell!!!
Perhaps...but I believe SCOTUS tends to be a bit more political.

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#9957 Jan 14, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Your justification for refusing to treat gay people as fully human is supported by your fear they will be seen as fully human by your kids.
That helps explain your aversion to the E word. It also reveals why the only hope for gay people to realize the desire to be treated as fully human under the law, relies on convincing those who share your belief they are not fully human, that they actually are human, or at least are human enough to be treated as you would treat yourself, under the law.
You are fully human and equal and few wish to treat you otherwise. Don't be so dramatic.

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#9958 Jan 14, 2013
Jul 5 2005 "One prominent supporter of the resolution was Reverend Andrew Young, former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and mayor of Atlanta, and a lifelong member of the UCC. Just days before the vote was scheduled to take place, Young issued a statement saying he hoped the General Synod would approve the resolution affirming same-sex marriage equality.

"I'd be disappointed if we did not approve this resolution," he said on Friday. "I think it would be consistent with our historic spirit of fairness and justice, but it also would be consistent with the spirit of grace and mercy as the path to peace and that you judge not that you not be judged."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1505195/main...

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#9959 Jan 14, 2013
Forget it. You writing this crap does not change the reality of the situation. You cannot retroactively put gay marriage into history when it was never there. You posting anecdotal references or FALSELY claiming that certain blacks are for gay marriage is not going to change the reality: Blacks generally do not support gay marriage. We have proven it time and time again. If put to a vote, it always loses and blacks always vote overwhelmingly against it. That is why you have to force it upon us.

Al Sharpton and the others you mentioned are not leaders of some non-existent "black community". There is simply no such thing. You have a handful of individuals you mentioned who might like gay marriage. You named 5 people. They do not speak for anyone but themselves. They will not convince people to support perversion.

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#9960 Jan 14, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
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When you advocate that children cannot be taught facts, yes that does lead to ignorance.
Your views on sexuality are not facts and your desire to teach them to our very youngest of children speaks volumes as to your agenda.

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