China sends fighter jets into air def...

China sends fighter jets into air defense...

There are 80 comments on the The Washington Post story from Nov 28, 2013, titled China sends fighter jets into air defense.... In it, The Washington Post reports that:

In this Sept. 2, 2012 file photo, the survey ship Koyo Maru, left, chartered by Tokyo city officials, sails around Minamikojima, foreground, Kitakojima, middle right, and Uotsuri, background, the tiny islands in the East China Sea, called Senkaku in Japanese and Diaoyu in Chinese.

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Shinichiro Takizawa

Sendai, Japan

#45 Nov 30, 2013
We Americans NEVER forget this!

November 01, 2007
Japanese DM orders withdrawal of MSDF from Indian Ocean
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/6295...
Japanese Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba issued a command Thursday afternoon to withdraw the Maritime Self-Defense Force (MSDF), which has been undertaking the refueling mission for the U.S.-led military operation in and around Afghanistan, from the Indian Ocean.
Shinichiro Takizawa

Sendai, Japan

#46 Nov 30, 2013
Japan is useless! Japan has been harming our America!
Japan has NO value to be protected.
Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#47 Dec 1, 2013
For Japan to be safe and prosperous, she needs to ask China to let her become an autonomous province of China, allowing them to keep their puppet king.
Fatboy

Hallstahammar, Sweden

#48 Dec 1, 2013
It is so Amazing wrote:
Well it is rumor that the latest J10A or J10B can see the USAF Raptor with their anti-stealth radar built on board.
Chinese J-10s with anti-stealth radar?.....mmmmmm....pretty sure that's just another internet rumor!

Here's a complete Russian anti-stealth radar system,and it's rather BIG!!
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Nebo-SVU-Analy...
It is so Amazing wrote:
J10B
There has been NO deliveries of J-10Bs to PLAAF....yet.
Snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#49 Dec 2, 2013
By the year 2025, China will be totally dominant in the military arena also, they are very patient they are biding their time to be totally dominant. Most experts will tell you that.
ONCE WERE SAMURAI

New York, NY

#50 Dec 2, 2013
Japan is now just a vassal state of the U.S.

How sad..
CCP is SICK MAN of ASIA

Surrey, Canada

#51 Dec 2, 2013
It is really about a dying and illegitimate Communist dictatorship hated by its own people and facing economic collapse, trying to gamble everything on a crude bully tactic......and LOSING!

This whole "crisis" is driven solely by the CCP's need for some sort of victory to parade before the Chinese people to hide the real facts, including the FACT that the much-trumpeted "Anti-Corruption Crackdown" of Dictator Xi Jinping has actually resulted in FAR FEWER PROSECUTIONS of corrupt CCP thieves, and MORE ARRESTS of whistleblowers on CCP corruption, MORE censorship and MORE human rights abuses!
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It is so Amazing

Butterworth, Malaysia

#53 Dec 3, 2013
Fatboy wrote:
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Chinese J-10s with anti-stealth radar?.....mmmmmm....pretty sure that's just another internet rumor!
Here's a complete Russian anti-stealth radar system,and it's rather BIG!!
There has been NO deliveries of J-10Bs to PLAAF....yet.
Hi Fatboy! Sorry for the delay in reply as I was away.

I used the word “rumored” deliberately as there is no way, everyone can be certain about these new development circulating in China’s Military blogs until China themselves officially confirmed them. China has for the longest time maintains a shroud in secrecy in her military development and that is makes China Watchers like us very excited, selective and patience in analyzing a pool of information figuring out which is real and which is unreal. Incidentally many of the so-called US China experts e.g. Richard Fisher, Bill Gates, etc . hired by USA Government also draw their information from these similar sources. China has more than 50~80 million of these blogs. However if we understand the history of the development of these weapons system in China and then combined these info together using our commonsense and logic, the truth may be somewhere out there.

Examples can be found in the case of J10 or when China unveiled their 5th Generation J20 sometime back in 2011 during the visit of US Sec of Defense, USA intelligence were caught with their pants down as they have been underestimating China by saying that the first 5th Generation prototype will only ready by the latest after 2020~2025 all these years. Next they said that China is using the AL31F as J20’s powerplant totally ignoring the fact that the engine dimension fitted tightly into the J20 fuselage designed for bigger diameter WS15. IMO China has been testing both the J20 as well as the WS15 engines together at the same time as the WS15 R&D is already quite advanced. But what is interesting and surprising is one of the CG of the J20 configuration that appears many years ago in China’s blog matched the new J20 almost exactly. At that time, we also used the same analogy “rumored” in our posts. Although I started off as a silent observer and critics of these hardwares but after many years of China watching, analysis and researching, I actually started to admire these Chinese engineers for their resources, innovation and ingenuity although they were truly handicapped by the availability of many important test equipment. Today how many so-called USA military experts are aware that China J20 has even installed EODAS onboard, implant discretely inside the airframe or simple innovation e.g. unlike the F22 Raptor, the J20can keep its weapon bay door closed with the missile is fully exposed for low RCS and reduce drag in a BVR dogfight.

Thank you for your link for the Russian land anti-stealth radar and as you have observed, it is indeed very huge in comparison to say China own anti-stealth radar the YLW-20.

No! I disagree as there are clear pictures of J10B in PLAAF color and even sporting its brand new WS10B engine and even its new assembly line in Chengdu. The assembly line for the older J7 series is officially closed. The number of aircraft delivered is still unknown.

The J10B which made its first flight in 2008 has already entered into mass production early this year with its first batch destined for the PLAAF 44th Division. The delay to this program was due to the slow production of its WS10B engine due to lack of specialist manpower e.g. experienced machinists for aero-engines and not the technology itself as alleged. It takes a long time to train such expert tradesmen unlike the Soviet Union who has a huge pool of such talent due to its early head start in this area. In fact China level of technology in the aero-engine industry is quite advanced. I will tell you the next time when I am ready.
Snowflake

San Francisco, CA

#54 Dec 3, 2013
In three years time the Chinese will come up with a new boost system in their jet engine with a thrust to weight ratio of at least fifteen. When that happens, it will be a major game changer for their jets, manned or unmmanned.
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Edison

Edmonton, Canada

#56 Dec 3, 2013
Gengis Khan wrote:
yea, but first we have to get rid of the warmongering commie's,
Then peace will have a chance
Small dick bill,

Is Japan not the aggressor? Japan established the ADIZ first in 1969 without consulting any country.

The Japanese ADIZ is only 130 KM from China coast, 50 KM from Taiwan, and 50 KM from Russia.

In yesterday's Chinese/Taiwanese newspapers, Taiwan's top officials in charge of air defense and civilian aviation told parliamentarians and reporters that in last several years, Japanese warplanes have harrassed Taiwan's civilian airliners 41 times despite the airlines have pre-registered flight routes and schedules with Japan.

bill, you can read Taiwanese newspapers, right?

Check out this report by yourself!!!

Commie China put up with Japan for 44 years, and now it is only fair for China to catch and get even.

Are you not biased to blast China for establishing its ADIZ and practise what USA, S. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan have been practising for decades. China only copies the practices by these countries.
Edison

Edmonton, Canada

#57 Dec 3, 2013
ONCE WERE SAMURAI wrote:
Japan is now just a vassal state of the U.S.
How sad..
... and a shameless liar!
golly gee

Portsmouth, VA

#58 Dec 3, 2013
I fear another KAL 007 incident if this keeps up......
Fatboy

Hallstahammar, Sweden

#59 Dec 15, 2013
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Fatboy! Sorry for the delay in reply as I was away.
No worries Amazing obviously i'm worse....MUCH worse!:o)
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
I used the word “rumored” deliberately as there is no way, everyone can be certain about these new development circulating in China’s Military blogs until China themselves officially confirmed them.
Agreed!
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
China has for the longest time maintains a shroud in secrecy in her military development and that is makes China Watchers like us very excited, selective and patience in analyzing a pool of information figuring out which is real and which is unreal.
It's a tough job...but someone has to do it...not me though!:o).
Chinas military development is often shrouded in mystery....this creates myths legends and sometimes facts....it can be a fun read when the hardcore fanboys speculate!
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
However if we understand the history of the development of these weapons system in China and then combined these info together using our commonsense and logic, the truth may be somewhere out there.
Anti-stealth radar has to seek,track and give midcourse guidance,they are simply to big for jetfighters.
Furthermore the J-10B is equipped with IRST (infra-red search&track) no need forIRST if the j-10B would have anti-stealth radar.
here's a link about IRST.
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f-18-supe...
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
there are clear pictures of J10B in PLAAF color
Correct!....but the colouring is of no real importance.
The important thing is the correct ID Numbers,so far the J-10B has been seen with the ID No
1031,1032,1033,1034,1035 they are all preproduction numbers.
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
even sporting its brand new WS10B engine
As for now ONLY one J-10B uses the WS-10 engine and that's ID No 1035!
1031 1032 1033 1034 uses AL-31 Engine.
Here's some photos for comparison
1031 with AL-31 Engine
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6kdZVRQYzUI/ULJM9Kj...

1035 with WS-10 Engine
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6180/72j10...

Here's a video to show you what i mean with the correct ID numbers.
In this video you will see 4 J-10A with ID No 613,614,617 and 622 all equipped with AL-31.
They are the No 13,14,17,22 planes delivered from batch No6.
At 1:45 you will see a J10B being towed in,it has the ID No 1035...Yup That's the one with the WS-10 Engine!


Here is also an rather fresh interview with Zhang Jigao, deputy chief designer of the J-10 fighter,here he talks about the new J-10B.
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90786/84542...

However if i would have responded to you 2 weeks ago,the above would have been all i posted.....but something has happend the last two weeks.....

This is my Christmas present to you!:o)
Hint! check the J10Bs ID No!!
http://tuku.military.china.com/military/html/...

Here's a short video.
http://p.you.video.sina.com.cn/swf/quotePlaye...

Take Care!
jace

Clinton, MD

#60 Dec 15, 2013
Snowflake wrote:
All China need to do is stop its shipments of rare earths to Japan, then economy would be shot.The Chinese do not need to shoot down any American planes, all they need to do us stop buying American cars. Diplomacy in the Chinese way is to use no violence nor force but influence.
Bingo!!!!

Most Americans have never taken the time to examine the economics issues of the US and China

It is not pretty. At the end of the day he who holds your mortgage -be it our individual or collectively national mortgage THEY OWN YOU

If it were not for the fact that China wants it $$$$$ back from all that American debt they hold for us

THEY WOULD Call IN THEIR LOANS.

If they were to do this Wall Street would collapse on money

Knowing it would hurt their interest the would not

Think about this folks -- all the trillions $$$$$ of military might Military might if the USA is trumped by the power of

1. Oil which we must get from nations that hate us

2. Debt which is now held by a communist country

And why ??? Why after the 1970s oil embargo we are still dependent upon nations for the most important commodity next to fresh water needed to run this country

As Americans we brag about the gov is of the people and by the people
Yet we have fallen asleep at the wheel by tons of things we find more entertaining from sports to robin thick to kim and mr west

Failing to put these things in their proper. Place and focus on real meat and potatoes

So while we may not be focusing on them OTHERS ARE AND SAD TO SAY THEY HAVE NO INTEREST in your and my welfare

Sad
jace

Clinton, MD

#61 Dec 15, 2013
Snowflake wrote:
By the year 2025, China will be totally dominant in the military arena also, they are very patient they are biding their time to be totally dominant. Most experts will tell you that.
So we are looking at potentially controlling both economics and the military aspects

Just looking at the import export unbalance speaks volume
Taiwanese

Chatswood, Australia

#62 Dec 16, 2013
Edison wrote:
<quoted text>Small dick bill,
Is Japan not the aggressor? Japan established the ADIZ first in 1969 without consulting any country.
The Japanese ADIZ is only 130 KM from China coast, 50 KM from Taiwan, and 50 KM from Russia.
In yesterday's Chinese/Taiwanese newspapers, Taiwan's top officials in charge of air defense and civilian aviation told parliamentarians and reporters that in last several years, Japanese warplanes have harrassed Taiwan's civilian airliners 41 times despite the airlines have pre-registered flight routes and schedules with Japan.
bill, you can read Taiwanese newspapers, right?
Check out this report by yourself!!!
Commie China put up with Japan for 44 years, and now it is only fair for China to catch and get even.
Are you not biased to blast China for establishing its ADIZ and practise what USA, S. Korea, Japan, and Taiwan have been practising for decades. China only copies the practices by these countries.
That little devil gengis khan is a japanese spy , spineless and the sick man of Asia as he has confessed. This little japanese spy migrated to NZ to gather military info for japanese rightists for future aggression in Asia. Sick man with a sick heart and soul.
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Andrez Lopez

El Paso, TX

#64 Dec 16, 2013
Taiwanese wrote:
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That little devil gengis khan is a japanese spy , spineless and the sick man of Asia as he has confessed. This little japanese spy migrated to NZ to gather military info for japanese rightists for future aggression in Asia. Sick man with a sick heart and soul.
I applaud the best description you have for poster Gengis Khan.'ni ma de ri ben gui zi which I think should be translated as 'your mother's little japanese devil'.
Getting back on track for the issue of the thread 'China sends fighter jets into air defense zone' I am sure the Chinese are pretty much serious about forcing down any Japanese and American plane as they once did when they forced down the American Spy plane that was force-landed on Hainan Island and have all the interior scrapped clean with all the instruments and apparatus before allowing it to return to Okinawa. If they think that they need to shoot down a plane to prove that they are serious they will certainly do it.
So unless Japan and the US are ready to go to war against China, they better take the Chinese seriously.
CCP is USELESS and DYING

Surrey, Canada

#65 Dec 16, 2013
All this just obscures the fact it is really about a dying and illegitimate Communist dictatorship hated by its own people and facing economic collapse, trying to gamble everything on a crude bully tactic......and LOSING!

This whole "crisis" is driven solely by the CCP's need for some sort of victory to parade before the Chinese people to hide the real facts, including the FACT that the much-trumpeted "Anti-Corruption Crackdown" of Dictator Xi Jinping has actually resulted in FAR FEWER PROSECUTIONS of corrupt CCP thieves, and MORE ARRESTS of whistleblowers on CCP corruption, MORE censorship and MORE human rights abuses!
Cruel Summer

United States

#66 Dec 16, 2013
It is so Amazing wrote:
<quoted text>
It is what all rational people are praying for today!
But with so many insane and madcaps running loose around the free world, we have to be content with possibilities and chances.
With peace, money spend on building useless WMD can be used for construction ofpeople project such as alternative and clean energy for the world.
Don't worry about these insignificant cat and mouse capers going on in the China Sea, nothing will become of it. WWWIII will start with India and Pakistan.
It is so Amazing

Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

#67 Dec 17, 2013
Fatboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No worries Amazing obviously i'm worse....MUCH worse!:o)
Agreed!
It's a tough job...but someone has to do it...not me though!:o).
Chinas military development is often shrouded in mystery....this creates myths legends and sometimes facts....it can be a fun read when the hardcore fanboys speculate!
Hi there!

LOL Look like we do share something negative in common! Hahaha

You’re absolutely right. Speculation by China fanboys can be both fun and frustrating but sometimes there are some elements of truth in them e.g. the CG drawing of the F10B was quite accurate in its depiction and these CG appeared long before the actual F10B was actually revealed. Like I say one needs to be patience and selective in the analysis.

Take this for instance: While the appearance of the 2nd prototype model of the Y20 long range heavy lifter posted by Chinese fanboy recently was quickly brushed off as merely an older image of the first one. New images appearing on the internet last week confirmed indeed the presence of the 2nd prototype test model.

I will tried to answer the rest of your post later when I am available as I have to leave now.

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