3 Arizona Republican senators urge ve...

3 Arizona Republican senators urge veto of anti-gay bill

There are 37 comments on the Athens Banner-Herald story from Feb 24, 2014, titled 3 Arizona Republican senators urge veto of anti-gay bill. In it, Athens Banner-Herald reports that:

Three Republican Arizona state senators who voted for a bill allowing business owners with strongly held religious beliefs to refuse service to gays sent a letter to Gov. Jan Brewer on Monday urging her to veto the legislation.

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“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#1 Feb 24, 2014
I contacted the governor's office and urged her to veto it.

The group pushing for the bill to be signed into law is just a small group of nuts.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#2 Feb 24, 2014
So, these 3 Senators voted for the bill, but NOW realize they made a mistake and DON'T want the Governor to sign it.........guilty conscious for voting on a bill they KNOW will be abused and misused by ANYONE who has an issue with Gays, Lesbians and ANYONE else that they don't care for!!!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#3 Feb 24, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
So, these 3 Senators voted for the bill, but NOW realize they made a mistake and DON'T want the Governor to sign it.........guilty conscious for voting on a bill they KNOW will be abused and misused by ANYONE who has an issue with Gays, Lesbians and ANYONE else that they don't care for!!!
No. This is just pure politics by typical politicians who want to have it both ways (Hypocritical politicians ?! Oh my ! Who knew ?! Who could've guessed ?!)

I read about an hour ago that the bill was officially given to the governor earlier this evening. She has 5 working days to either sign it into law, or veto it or allow it to become law without her signature. The 5 days expires Saturday night and I don't think Saturday is a "working day" so I believe that the deadline is next Monday evening. Maybe she will wait til teh last minute before deciding what to do, or maybe not.

She vetoed similar legislation last year. And almost everyone speaking up about this bill has spoken against it. My guess, and hope, is tat she will veto it.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#4 Feb 24, 2014
There are powers bigger than we know at work here.
Budweiser 4u

Hanoi, Vietnam

#5 Feb 25, 2014
go girl Jan Brewinsky SB-1063 chic-fil-Amendment ;)

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#6 Feb 25, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
So, these 3 Senators voted for the bill, but NOW realize they made a mistake and DON'T want the Governor to sign it.........guilty conscious for voting on a bill they KNOW will be abused and misused by ANYONE who has an issue with Gays, Lesbians and ANYONE else that they don't care for!!!
I saw one of the Senators on Chris Hayes show last night. He was very discombobulated in his explanation as to why he had such a turn-around. He said that at the time of the vote he was not aware it would cause discrimination towards anyone, but that could not be true, as it was stated many times during the arguments for and against the bill in the chamber. What I think really did it was the public out-cry over the issue. He probably has to run for office this year, and was afraid of the backlash. Either way, exceedingly hypocritical. However, I'm happy that he has had a turn-around, and signed the plea to the Governor. Even a Republican can have an awakening.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#7 Feb 25, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Maybe she will wait til teh last minute before deciding what to do, or maybe not.
Waiting will only prolong the agony and increase the negative coverage. If she's smart, she'll announce first thing this morning what she did with the bill.

I'm not sure if Brewer is actually smart, but I know that she's not dumb. And she is definitely shrewd.
She vetoed similar legislation last year. And almost everyone speaking up about this bill has spoken against it. My guess, and hope, is tat she will veto it.
We don't know why she vetoed last year's bill. That was part of the streak of vetoes--of bills that she supported as well as opposed--that forced the legislature to enact Medicaid expansion. She never commented on the bill itself, and still has not commented on this bill.

I think her personal homophobia is the only explanation for failing to speak against the bill already. The fact that she hasn't adopted it, however, shows that she's paying attention to other forces. And those forces will prevail in Arizona just as they did in the other five states.

“A JOURNEY OF A THOUSAND MILES”

Since: Aug 08

MUST BEGIN WITH A SINGLE STEP!

#8 Feb 25, 2014
RalphB wrote:
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I saw one of the Senators on Chris Hayes show last night. He was very discombobulated in his explanation as to why he had such a turn-around. He said that at the time of the vote he was not aware it would cause discrimination towards anyone, but that could not be true, as it was stated many times during the arguments for and against the bill in the chamber. What I think really did it was the public out-cry over the issue. He probably has to run for office this year, and was afraid of the backlash. Either way, exceedingly hypocritical. However, I'm happy that he has had a turn-around, and signed the plea to the Governor. Even a Republican can have an awakening.
I wonder how they could NOT have known that this bill was NOT about DISCRIMINATION when that was the sole intent in the first place......but hopefully the Governor DOESN'T just let it sit and does veto it....either way, if it takes affect it will be legally challenged as it should be!!!

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#9 Feb 25, 2014
nhjeff wrote:
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Waiting will only prolong the agony and increase the negative coverage. If she's smart, she'll announce first thing this morning what she did with the bill.
I'm not sure if Brewer is actually smart, but I know that she's not dumb. And she is definitely shrewd.
<quoted text>
We don't know why she vetoed last year's bill. That was part of the streak of vetoes--of bills that she supported as well as opposed--that forced the legislature to enact Medicaid expansion. She never commented on the bill itself, and still has not commented on this bill.
I think her personal homophobia is the only explanation for failing to speak against the bill already. The fact that she hasn't adopted it, however, shows that she's paying attention to other forces. And those forces will prevail in Arizona just as they did in the other five states.
She said she has until Saturday to decide. I'm not sure if tat is a "working day" as defined by the Arizona constitution. If it's not a working day, we will have to wait til next Monday to find out whether she has vetoed the bill or not.
Cordwainer Trout

Elizabethtown, KY

#10 Feb 25, 2014
America needs to learn from Russia. Gays should be strictly disallowed their propaganda. Gays should be prohibited from adopting children. Normal people (people who unlike gays haven't been responsible for killing tens of thousands of people with disease in America) need to have the tools to protect themselves and their children from this homosexual plague.
Bee Eff Dee

Webster, MA

#11 Feb 25, 2014
Why is it that people need to concern themselves with what 2 consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is beyond me. Live and let live.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#12 Feb 25, 2014
The Arizona Republicans are using religion as a deadly dagger to cut the heart from the US Constitutional protections all citizens enjoy.

Freedom of Religion also guarantees each citizen Freedom from religion impeding their individual rights
foster

Ashburn, VA

#13 Feb 25, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
America needs to learn from Russia. Gays should be strictly disallowed their propaganda. Gays should be prohibited from adopting children. Normal people (people who unlike gays haven't been responsible for killing tens of thousands of people with disease in America) need to have the tools to protect themselves and their children from this homosexual plague.
This was the argument against allowing Irish, Italians and East European and Russian immigrants into America

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#14 Feb 25, 2014
Budweiser 4u wrote:
go girl Jan Brewinsky SB-1063 chic-fil-Amendment ;)
The chic fil-a amendment. I love it!

Let me understand this reasoning. Flowers and cakes are religious freedom issues because of SSM but a police officer still has to assist anyone regardless of their religion.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#15 Feb 25, 2014
foster wrote:
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This was the argument against allowing Irish, Italians and East European and Russian immigrants into America
Yes, as well as many others. But the groups you mention are interesting since they have common religions that Protestant America didn't really want to allow to spread..

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#16 Feb 25, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
America needs to learn from Russia. Gays should be strictly disallowed their propaganda. Gays should be prohibited from adopting children. Normal people (people who unlike gays haven't been responsible for killing tens of thousands of people with disease in America) need to have the tools to protect themselves and their children from this homosexual plague.
It's amusing watching you endorse Socialism.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#17 Feb 25, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
I contacted the governor's office and urged her to veto it.
The group pushing for the bill to be signed into law is just a small group of nuts.
Exactly.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#18 Feb 25, 2014
Funny how this has become the biggest story in the US now. I don't think the Arizona legislators ever expected a reaction as negative and as widespread as this.

I really think Brewer will veto this bill.

But if I'm wrong and it does becomes law, with or without her signature, I hope that the NFL moves the Super Bowl out of Arizona. They DID do that in 1993.

Since: Feb 14

Gold Canyon, AZ

#19 Feb 25, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
America needs to learn from Russia. Gays should be strictly disallowed their propaganda. Gays should be prohibited from adopting children. Normal people (people who unlike gays haven't been responsible for killing tens of thousands of people with disease in America) need to have the tools to protect themselves and their children from this homosexual plague.
Umm, do you have ANY education whatsoever? I'm not even sure why I'm asking that, the answer is pretty blatantly obvious.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#20 Feb 26, 2014
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Funny how this has become the biggest story in the US now. I don't think the Arizona legislators ever expected a reaction as negative and as widespread as this.
I really think Brewer will veto this bill.
But if I'm wrong and it does becomes law, with or without her signature, I hope that the NFL moves the Super Bowl out of Arizona. They DID do that in 1993.
One needn't be a constitutional scholar to know this law will be quickly stricken. So why put the state through the agony?

I think the echo-chamber became a little too full of itself (as usual). They thought they had a winning issue with their religious freedom meme. They watched the reaction to Chik-Fil-A and Duck Dynasty, so they thought the religious folk would rush to their cause. They imagine that Hobby Lobby's crusade against birth control is actually popular and not widely reviled. In short, they are listening to each other and completely misunderstanding how those outside their insular network respond.

I'm more surprised how forcefully our supporters have responded. I think that's the real question: Why has this particular insult to the gay community aroused concerted opposition when so many others have gone unremarked? I would offer a few speculations:

The Windsor and Perry cases greatly increased visibility of our community. The interest has heightened as states one-after-the-other have their same-sex marriage bans declared unconstitutional. Sochi (and, to a lesser extent, Uganda and Nigeria) have given visibility to world-wide prejudice against gays.

People have finally tired of letting the evangelicals drive legislators to restrict our freedoms. In state after state, more restrictive abortion laws have limited or completely curtailed reproductive choices. We used to smirk and look the other way whenever people whined about anti-Christian discrimination. Evangelical have, however, been intruding further into our private lives. And this bill encapsulated everything that people dislike about religion being forced on others.

The Republican Party has been living in the aughts for too long. They failed to see that North Carolina marked the end of the usefulness of anti-gay posturing to win elections. They thought that these freedom-to-discriminate-as-lon g-as-its-based-on-religion laws would motivate their base and be ignored by everyone else. Once the Republican leadership realized this was damaging their electoral chances, they pulled all the stops.

And that brings up the battle between the Republican leadership and the party's several rumps: The Tea Party, the evangelical wing, the war-mongers, and the financial tycoons. The leadership has been trying to get back control. And they decided that they couldn't be wagged by the anti-gay tail of their party. We will see more and more aggressive moves to call back the fringe members of the party who are alienating so many voters.

The Republican party may be particularly worried in Arizona. It has been a reliably red state, but demographics do not look good there. There is, of course, the large immigrant community who is unlikely to support the Republican Party any time soon. The anti-gay policies are clearly alienating the youth vote, as well. And the libertarians don't like others forcing their religious ideas on people.[This may be another false conceit of the religious folk: The idea that businessmen can decide whom they will and will not serve sounds very libertarian. In reality, libertarians don't think that businesses should determine whose morals are good enough. And then there's that Mormon thing going on in Arizona...]

We could be just an election cycle away from Arizona turning the color of New Mexico and Nevada.

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