Russia Tries to Kill U.S. Democracy P...

Russia Tries to Kill U.S. Democracy Promotion Once and For All

There are 317 comments on the The New Republic story from Sep 18, 2012, titled Russia Tries to Kill U.S. Democracy Promotion Once and For All. In it, The New Republic reports that:

When Secretary of State Hillary Clinton arrived for the APEC summit in Vladivostok on September 8, there was one item on the agenda she was not expecting.

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Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#42 Sep 20, 2012
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> China is on the way to becoming a superpower.RUSSIA will have more to worry about than the United States.
Russia is in with China. It is united with China to defend Iran against the U.S. Russia sells oil to China, China needs a lot of oil. All this stuff is still proxy wars between the U.S. and Russia. In other words, the U.S. favors this country and that country and Russia hates the countries we support and it supports the nations we hate. Same old stuff forever.

Russia is crumbling but it never got over challenging the U.S. in the cold war so it likes to still pretend it has power, and the ONLY power it does have is it has some oil and it allies with China and with Iran.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#43 Sep 20, 2012
uther pendragon wrote:
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Utter nonsense. We worked with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia to undermine the secular Soviet allied government in Afghanistan. After the Soviets left we lost interest our "allies" put the Taliban and Al Quieda in charge. The Pakistanis have been waging a terror war against India the world's largest democracy for decades and post 9/11 they hid out Bin Laden from us for years. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.
The USA chose to back its own worst enemies.
Why are Iranian nukes considered a threat when Palistani nukes were so readily accepted in Washington? When it comes to supporting international terrorism...
Because we get oil from the Saudis and we agreed to protect the Saudis and the Saudis want Iran taken out. Also, because Iran has oil. The three big number one, two and three oil producing nations are Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran. So if the U.S. can't get along with two of those countries, hell, just bomb the crap out of them, invade them and take the nationalized oil for the American and British oil companies.

One problem is when those big oil nations nationalized their oil and created OPEC, most of the remaining world's oil is in their hands, so the oil companies like Exxon for example, they no longer have hardly any oil reserves to base the value of their company on. The majors (the private oil companies) would be out of business if Bush did not bomb the crap out of Iraq and get control of nationalized oil for Exxon and for BP.

Notice oil has gone up to about $100 a barrel in a global recession. It will go back up over $150 a barrel the minute the U.S. or China tries to grow because cheap oil has run out.

All of this capitalist growth model is based on $20 a barrel oil, so imagine China trying to manufacture and ship at $150 a barrel oil. And, this is why none of these countries that have big debts will be able to pay their debts back, because paying the debts back is based on future growth, but there can't be any big growth in the future because of triple digit oil prices from here on out.

You will be able to buy a lot of Canadian sand tar oil but not for less than $100 a barrel because it is really expensive to produce. So is deep water drilling, so is shale oil. There's no cheap oil left, well, very little.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#44 Sep 20, 2012
It is not going to matter if the Dems run the debt up to $25 trillion handing out big state government pensions and welfare or if the Republicans run the debt up to $25 trillion on big new tax cuts for the rich and on a third war and do war profiteering until the cows come home. The bottom line is cheap oil is gone, no nation can grow based on $150 a barrel oil. It's impossible.

No matter which corrupt party blows up the debt for their croney capitalism plans, Americans still lost out on 5 million jobs they were offered in computer science and in engineering because they did not go to college.

No matter which party wins, Americans are still the fattest people in the world.

No matter which party wins, the American education system is in the toilet and Americans are getting dumber and fatter everyday.

It's not all about which party wins the election, solving the problems has to do with dealing with cheap oil having run out, dealing with our people not wanting to attend college, with the individual taking responsibility for the obesity epidemic. It IS about each person changing, taking personal responsibility for all of these issues.

No matter Obama or Romney is the president, 50,000 American businesses moved to China while Bush was in office, so short of a trade war with China, neither party can stop outsourcing of American jobs to China.

People don't look at the real issues, real problems and real solutions. They don't take any responsibility and they just repeat what is said on the TV. What a waste of time.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#45 Sep 20, 2012
Hannity is going to have Trump on for the full hour on Friday. If you want to understand what a trade war with China means and the importance of that, and learn about our bad trade deals with other countries and how to fix it, PLEASE listen to what Trump is saying. Both liberals and conservatives have written books saying we need to have a trade war with China, so listen to what Trump is saying. He's one of the few people who is telling the truth and who has the solutions to a lot of the problems.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#46 Sep 20, 2012
We should have elected Ron Paul president with Trump as his VP or at least put Trump in charge of all of our trade deals.

“Dimitri at the races in Russia”

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#47 Sep 20, 2012
To control some Waco like the one above ?

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Since: May 12

Houston

#48 Sep 20, 2012
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>Russia is in with China. It is united with China to defend Iran against the U.S. Russia sells oil to China, China needs a lot of oil. All this stuff is still proxy wars between the U.S. and Russia. In other words, the U.S. favors this country and that country and Russia hates the countries we support and it supports the nations we hate. Same old stuff forever.
Russia is crumbling but it never got over challenging the U.S. in the cold war so it likes to still pretend it has power, and the ONLY power it does have is it has some oil and it allies with China and with Iran.
Russia has 12,000 nukes.THAT'S power.Russia is a big country with a lot of natural resources.That's power.The only thing holding the Russians back is the Russians.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#49 Sep 20, 2012
waco1909 wrote:
<quoted text> Russia has 12,000 nukes.THAT'S power.Russia is a big country with a lot of natural resources.That's power.The only thing holding the Russians back is the Russians.
It collapsed and then disintegrated. I just read Pat Buchannan's new book "Suicide of a Superpower." IN that book he tells the story about what is really going on in Russia. He says it is crumbling, that the people are leaving and that the birth rate is below the level that the Russian people can survive. It has some oil, but Saudi Arabia Fks with it so it can't sell the oil a lot of the time, and it doesn't have anything like the industry that China has. The three big economies are China, the U.S. and the EU.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#50 Sep 20, 2012
These wars the Republicans keep wanting to get into always happen to be the top oil producing nations and here oil has now gone from $20 a barrel to $100 a barrel. Everyone had better damned well take notice of that. When oil goes back up to $150 a barrel and this nation was built on $20 a barrel oil and China rose up on $20 a barrel oil, everyone had better pay attention to the price of oil because your whole world is about to change because of the end of cheap oil.
Small Town America UGX

Pleasantville, NJ

#51 Sep 20, 2012
The USA has oil independence, but the oil is placed on the world market. And the cost of refineries is very expensive.
Russia is crumbling. Highest murder rate, suicide rate, alcoholism rate, abortion rate, rapid population decline, are just a few of the indicators.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#52 Sep 20, 2012
Small Town America UGX wrote:
The USA has oil independence, but the oil is placed on the world market. And the cost of refineries is very expensive.
Russia is crumbling. Highest murder rate, suicide rate, alcoholism rate, abortion rate, rapid population decline, are just a few of the indicators.
The U.S. doesn't have oil independence. U.S. oil peaked in 1970 and that is when we started to buy oil from Saudi Arabia. Our geologists found that oil in Saudi Arabia because the U.S. for all intents and purposes, ran out of oil. Our trade deficit is $800 BILLION per year.$350 billion of it is our sick trade imbalance with China and the rest of it is our buying oil from foreign countries. There is NO way the U.S. could produce all of the oil it uses. It is not an OPEC country, it is not an oil rich country. If there is oil left why has oil, which was always around $20 a barrel now gone up to $100-$150 a barrel if oil is a plenty?? Why is that?? Because world oil is now peaking same as U.S. oil peaked in 1970.
Small Town America UGX

Pleasantville, NJ

#53 Sep 20, 2012
P.S. Ron paul is an isolationist. His foreign policy would weaken us internationally, and the Russians/Chinese would fill the void quickly. That is why Putin loves R. Paul

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#54 Sep 20, 2012
Pesky army wrote:
To control some Waco like the one above ?
Come on PESKY.You need to hate everybody you don't agree with? Believe me Pesky i'm nobody.Doubt if i'm important enough for some person living God knows where to bother with.

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#55 Sep 20, 2012
Pamela you make excellent points regarding education in America.Unfortunately.
Oliver Cromwell

Nottingham, UK

#56 Sep 20, 2012
Small Town America UGX wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but the Russians of the USSR also committed atrocities to those innocent victims who were not on either side during ww 2, and Stalin's purges also killed millions not even involved in war.
And, in occupied Hungary before their independance, when the russian army put down those who demmanded democracy. And in Poland, etc. several years after the end of world war two. And of course, in the East Germany sector, where the KGB and E. German troops killed innocent citizens, besides shooting those who attempted to escape to W. Germany.
During WW two, against the invading Germans, yes they fought well.
They are far from peaceful. Our kids are not raised btainwashed to hate the russians, or encouraged to hate russia by our presidents. The opposite is true by Putin. Russia of old is not the Russia of the new. But it is still ruled by despots who have complete control of their people. The russians of today (the youth) are not like their parents or grandparents. They are depressed with a dismal future. Hence the high depressing statistics of suicide, murder, alcoholism, abortions, etc. They are like a lost generation, and of course, these very kids are the future leaders, etc. of russia. The decline of russia's population White Slavs) is rapidly shrinking. Since Putin's rule, millions of the population have simply disappeared for those noted reasons.
That is what is of interest to me. These kids want freedom to enjoy the fruits of the modern world. Good jobs and a future to build and look forward to. They do not, or will never obtain these things under another dictatorship. Which is what Putin's government is.
And those that paid that harsh price during ww two are now no longer alive. Even though the mindset is alive, it is different now in contemporary Russia. But the hate still goes on, generation to generation. Hate or indifference.
You really are stupid, Russia isn't a dictatorship you idiot,they just had an election and Putin won,thats the problem you have isn't it?he is the sort of man that won't be pushed around by your criminal government, you would like a clown like Yeltsin a piss head and a Joke who alowed gangsters and Big foreign Corporations to plunder the Country,it isn't going to happen Pal those days are over get used to it,and i would worry about the state your own country is in.

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#57 Sep 20, 2012
STA you are correct about Ron Paul.He also has the nasty habit of telling the truth.Americans never want to hear the truth.I'm beginning to think nobody does.
Oliver Cromwell

Nottingham, UK

#58 Sep 20, 2012
Small Town America UGX wrote:
<quoted text>
Haha! Now ronan, just because I call you an old, wrinkled walrus face commie is no need to be angry at me. For once, I would like to know your true personal feelings about me. After all, we go back many years.
I wish i could help you out but i really don't have a Bloody clue who Ronan is.
Small Town America UGX

Pleasantville, NJ

#59 Sep 20, 2012
Oliver Cromwell wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are stupid, Russia isn't a dictatorship you idiot,they just had an election and Putin won,thats the problem you have isn't it?he is the sort of man that won't be pushed around by your criminal government, you would like a clown like Yeltsin a piss head and a Joke who alowed gangsters and Big foreign Corporations to plunder the Country,it isn't going to happen Pal those days are over get used to it,and i would worry about the state your own country is in.
Haha !! Old commie wrinkled walrus face, Russian elections are fixed and corrupt. That is what started all the demostrations against Putin in the first place.
RUSSIA RANKS NUMBER ONE IN THE WORLD FOR CORRUPTION. Check it out on google. your mind keeps dipping into the deep recesses of senility

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#60 Sep 20, 2012
Oliver Cromwell wrote:
<quoted text>
You really are stupid, Russia isn't a dictatorship you idiot,they just had an election and Putin won,thats the problem you have isn't it?he is the sort of man that won't be pushed around by your criminal government, you would like a clown like Yeltsin a piss head and a Joke who alowed gangsters and Big foreign Corporations to plunder the Country,it isn't going to happen Pal those days are over get used to it,and i would worry about the state your own country is in.
when you live a little bit longer you may yet see that things are not always in black and white.No one here is cringing in fear of Russia or Putin.The fall of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE is not quite yet complete.As usual Russians are their own worst enemy.

“Vote”

Since: May 12

Houston

#61 Sep 20, 2012
Oliver Cromwell there are over three hundred million Americans.Tell me one thing.Wouldn't you rather they were all dead?

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