Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 37261 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#18553 Jul 6, 2012
U of M student wrote:
Neadrethal.
To discredit Al Gore makes it all to funny striking a cord to what you are all about. Gore has won Nobel peace prize and award winning movie. He has predicted destruction for the planet with specific time frame. You can't answer abc about climate change and how OUR planet is in serious destruction trouble.
You refuse solutions such as electronic books, bikes, bio fuel, rail, and reasonable changes to make a positive impact on the planet.
Coal and oil are easily replaced now, you are stuck in the 19th century
<quoted text>
Yes, he has predicted destruction of the planet and guess what. The climate isn't following the time line needed for those predictions. Looks like another end of the world prediction that turns out to be nothing more than fiction.

The funny thing is that I have ebooks and paper books as well. As for the rest, bikes and rail are not practical way to bring home the groceries. Some people live to far away from where they work to make a bike a practical way and do not live anywhere near a passanger rail line.

As for the old coal and oil is replaceable bit. Every time I hear someone say that it turns out that they are only talking about is passanger cars. They never seem to know about all the other things that are made with oil including parts of those EV parts. Medical products, lubricants for those wind generators, and a host of other products.

The truth is that the one who could not answer the questions about the abc's of climate change is you. You fail to realize how many of those "solutions" you tout are anything but. That things like biofuel require as much fossil fuel to make as it replaces. Not the mention biofuel production means less food production. Of course you may use the excuse that it can be grown on marginal lands which just happen to be the same land used for grazing. That many of those marginal lands are also eco sensitive lands as well. That there are no way to move freight like food around without fossil fuels. Those trains you see as a solution still run on fossil fuels. Food travels from the farm to the shelf with fossil fuel.

Sorry, but ebooks will never completely replace paper books, biofuel isn't going to replace fossil fuel, cars are not going to be replaced with people riding bikes and the rail. In fact in China the bike is being dropped for cars. They are replacing bikes with cars. I sure as a student who has only a few needs and lives on campus or near it a bike fits your needs. At some point you may grow up and marry, have kids and discover that your wife isn't going to put her newborn in a carrier in the middle of winter to ride her bike to the store. Nor is she going to be willing to stand on that platform with that newborn in the rain waiting on the train. That is the problem with your bike idea is that not every day is sunny.
I AM A DREAMER

Minneapolis, MN

#18554 Jul 6, 2012
LoL at PAGAN HICKS wrote:
<quoted text>
E.V.E.R.Y.
Y.E.A.R.
THE INTERNET IS A.F.L.O.A.T. with BLINKING OVERLAY .GIFs of
"HANSEN CAUGHT COOLING PAST"
"NOAAH CAUGHT COOLING PAST"
"AUSTRALIANS CAUGHT COOLING PAST"
Everywhere it's cooler, and E.V.E.R.Y.W.H.E.R.E.
G.I.S.S.
and N.O.A.A.
and the AUSTRALIANS
have BEEN CAUGHT CLAIMING it IS AS WARM as the EARLY 20th CENTURY.
It's C.O.O.L.E.R. and G.E.T.T.I.N.G. MORE SO.
The FACT YOU THAWT GUBMUNT MINN DISCUVERD MAGICAL TREEMOMITURS and MAGICAL HOCKEY STICK MATH
that POINT TO MAGICAL ACTIVITY from MAGICAL GAS
proves what an INTELLECTUALLY SQUALID EDUCATIONAL (public school) BACKGROUND you COME
from.
Your problem is religion(spirituality) mixing with science.

BTW- In ancient times(until the diciplines seperated[well over a thousand years ago]) the priest were the proffessors and scientists too. The three diciplines dovetailed perfectly in forming an overarching understanding of the world we live in. Psychedelic drugs were even used(story of moses in the desert is a perfect example and the "mushroom hat" is prominent in most religions). Don't believe me.....look for yourself, I'd prefer it.

That's what makes it so hard for current study of ancient cultures. Their sciences, arts, and spirituality were intertwined....considered all aspects of one thing, all fields of study of one thing

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#18555 Jul 6, 2012
U of M student wrote:
<quoted text>
I have about had it with neandrethal ignorance on global warming. Serious comments are made about the planet being 140 degrees and 60 degrees in the winter and we get peanut gallery info back from the righties. Don't cry to me when the planet is flooded and high temps yr round with no snow. Make fun of Gore but he is a genuis can't be ignored.
Geez read a Will Steger journal and learn something. Do it for society and OUR planet.
Why not really read his journal with a critical eye. Discover what mr Steger got wrong instead of reading it with adoration. The fact that you have to use the term "righties" tells one and all what you are about is a political agenda.

Yes, people have said with all seriousness that we would see temperatures near 140 degrees, in the 1950's.

As for Al Gore being a genus, if he was then he should of demostrated it by making sure his documentary didn't have so many errors, that it was more accurate. And before you claim there wasn't you should know that they proved them in a court of law. And they are not all the errors but only the most glaring.

Also, there isn't enough water trapped in ice to flood the planet and at the current temperatures you would need several hundred centuries to get enough thermal expansion to make a noticable difference.

The funny thing is until you came along that Al Gore was a dead issue. One debated long ago into submission. So anyone who wants to debate Gore with you has a wealth of information to draw on. You want to play the biofuel game then there is still plenty of information which to beat you with.

If you want to know the source of "neandrethal ignorance on global warming" then look in the mirror. Because you must of been hiding in a cave.
I AM A DREAMER

Minneapolis, MN

#18556 Jul 6, 2012
Coal Owner wrote:
<quoted text>.
The Environmental Groups are at it again upset over coal production.
Your new solution is coal?

Have you ever thought of re-introducing the wheel as a solution? You could revolutionize transportation, soon you'll incorporate oil into the mix and fuel an industrial revolution, who can say where we'll end up.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#18557 Jul 6, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, he has predicted destruction of the planet and guess what. The climate isn't following the time line needed for those predictions. Looks like another end of the world prediction that turns out to be nothing more than fiction.
That is like saying we will win the game by 20 points, and when you win by 10 you discredit the whole predicition.

The prediction may be correct, the timing may be off.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#18558 Jul 6, 2012
I AM A DREAMER wrote:
<quoted text>
Your new solution is coal?
Have you ever thought of re-introducing the wheel as a solution? You could revolutionize transportation, soon you'll incorporate oil into the mix and fuel an industrial revolution, who can say where we'll end up.
South Africa has been making synfuel from coal for decades. As I understand it, the economic break even point (cost of a barrel of oil) has been reached a long time ago. I'm sure the environmental wackos are against that, but then they are wildly indignant about most everything.
Henry

Germany

#18559 Jul 6, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
If you wish to call the best possible explanation a guess, I suppose that is your prerogative. But try to understand that there are no proofs in science. It is dumb to say that AGW does not exist because there is no proof. That alone is enough determine that you are not up to speed on scientific methods. The denial industry counts upon that kind of ignorance to enable them to put forth their propaganda.
There is not the slightest doubt: the Alps will have no glaciers in 50 years any more. This is an ecological catastrophe for the whole world. There is no denying capitalism will not survive it and mankind presumably too. Besides we (peoples) will have nuclear wars and similar ones.
deferstoexperts

Orlando, FL

#18560 Jul 6, 2012
this is like a bunch of kindergartener's arguing with their teachers about the correct answers on a test. the majority of scientists agree on this. the VAST majority of scientists who've made this their lifelong discipline agree on this.
scientists are not like politicians, for the most part, they aren't in it for the money, and they aren't concerned with political idealogies. their bigger concern is being right. you guys can argue all your details, factual or made up, if they haven't swayed those guys then there of no consequence when weighed against all the evidence.
I AM A DREAMER

Minneapolis, MN

#18561 Jul 6, 2012
Better Yet wrote:
Green energy only wipes out the poor and middle class who can least afford it.
Fossil fuels been doing a number on us too.....for a lot longer. Solar, wind, and other sources of power generation/energy capturing methods have less downside, and a great upside. It's time to transition, take the next step. This may not make you rich....but it's not all about you getting yours regardless of everything else now, is it? Fossil fuels are still needed but should phase back, INVESTMENT in new techniques and methods and the science of them will produce dividends in the future.

Question: When I say investment in the future, Do you only think about money...as in wall street investing?

Wall Street is a casino. It's not real investing, it's gambling. It's a sports book on the economy.
Henry

Germany

#18562 Jul 6, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>"No one can be a "denier", because no one knows what the climate will do."
No one knows what the climate will do AFTER the ecology is destroyed by mankind.
I AM A DREAMER

Minneapolis, MN

#18563 Jul 6, 2012
Steve Case wrote:
<quoted text>
South Africa has been making synfuel from coal for decades. As I understand it, the economic break even point (cost of a barrel of oil) has been reached a long time ago. I'm sure the environmental wackos are against that, but then they are wildly indignant about most everything.
Not aware of it, will look into it.

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#18564 Jul 6, 2012
Mike wrote:
This makes sense and is right from the Al Gore doomsday playbook of planet destruction, he even has a countdown to the date. Add in George Soros space aliens and you fit right in. Congrats!
<quoted text>
Thanks. ha

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#18565 Jul 6, 2012
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
There is not the slightest doubt: the Alps will have no glaciers in 50 years any more. This is an ecological catastrophe for the whole world. There is no denying capitalism will not survive it and mankind presumably too. Besides we (peoples) will have nuclear wars and similar ones.
While you enjoy your play with sarcasm, the Swiss provide a majority of their energy needs with runoff water hydroelectric dams. And much of the drinking and irrigation water comes from similar sources. And it is not the only country effected in this manner.

Mass migrations will occur.
Methods

United States

#18566 Jul 6, 2012
Expensive and unreliable energy is not an upside as is solar and wind. It harms the poor and middle class the most. Not much of an upside to have everyone in poverty
I AM A DREAMER wrote:
<quoted text>
Fossil fuels been doing a number on us too.....for a lot longer. Solar, wind, and other sources of power generation/energy capturing methods have less downside, and a great upside. It's time to transition, take the next step. This may not make you rich....but it's not all about you getting yours regardless of everything else now, is it? Fossil fuels are still needed but should phase back, INVESTMENT in new techniques and methods and the science of them will produce dividends in the future.
Question: When I say investment in the future, Do you only think about money...as in wall street investing?
Wall Street is a casino. It's not real investing, it's gambling. It's a sports book on the economy.

Since: Apr 12

Hugo, MN

#18567 Jul 6, 2012
U of M student wrote:
<quoted text>
Geez read a Will Steger journal and learn something. Do it for society and OUR planet.
Will reading a Will Steger journal stop global warming? Nice solution.

Since: Apr 12

Hugo, MN

#18568 Jul 6, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
The earth has been warming for quite some time. It is accelerating the warming trend and the only way to see that is by looking nearer term.
I don't doubt that it is warming, but even "quite some time" is not very long compared to billions of years, correct?
Methods

United States

#18569 Jul 6, 2012
The other alarmists said it was a guess. Now you say factual. So, You must be confused.
deferstoexperts wrote:
this is like a bunch of kindergartener's arguing with their teachers about the correct answers on a test. the majority of scientists agree on this. the VAST majority of scientists who've made this their lifelong discipline agree on this.
scientists are not like politicians, for the most part, they aren't in it for the money, and they aren't concerned with political idealogies. their bigger concern is being right. you guys can argue all your details, factual or made up, if they haven't swayed those guys then there of no consequence when weighed against all the evidence.
Methods

United States

#18570 Jul 6, 2012
I AM A DREAMER wrote:
<quoted text>
Your new solution is coal?
Have you ever thought of re-introducing the wheel as a solution? You could revolutionize transportation, soon you'll incorporate oil into the mix and fuel an industrial revolution, who can say where we'll end up.
Yea coal is cheap, abundant and reliable. That provides to much wealth and freedom for all the people. So we can't do that.

Man r u pegged.
I AM A DREAMER

Minneapolis, MN

#18571 Jul 6, 2012
Methods wrote:
<quoted text>
Yea coal is cheap, abundant and reliable. That provides to much wealth and freedom for all the people. So we can't do that.
Man r u pegged.
Yeah, kentucky and tennessee have the wealthiest residents and the most freedom.
I AM A DREAMER

Minneapolis, MN

#18572 Jul 6, 2012
Methods wrote:
Expensive and unreliable energy is not an upside as is solar and wind. It harms the poor and middle class the most. Not much of an upside to have everyone in poverty
<quoted text>
Have you not looked at the price of oil or gas in the last 7 years? the BP oil spill? the Big branch mine? Etc, etc, etc. HELLO?!?!?

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