Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 20 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#34082 May 20, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text>Troll by every other name still a troll ,guttersnipe denialist.
psssst....if you're behind a cause.....you're already behind.

shut up so i can liquidate and go short my insurance stocks, okay??

haa haa haaa

i can't believe you people thought humans could alter climate in the first place......let alone weather!!!

did you libs just get off a banana boat or something??

lol

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#34083 May 20, 2014
Captain Yesterday wrote:
<quoted text>
Judging by your posts, you ARE a plant.
judging by yours....i'd say your an igneous rock.

go suck somebody else's coque....i'm not interested, bytch.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#34084 May 20, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
Capital is already going after capital for messing up the planet --and its rate of return. "On April 18, 2013, Illinois Governor Pat Quinn (D) declared a state of emergency after an epic deluge left much of the Chicago area under water.
“After several days of rain, an overnight deluge overwhelmed Chicago’s underground labyrinth of aging sewers and giant tunnels Thursday, forcing a noxious mix of sewage and stormwater into local waterways and Lake Michigan. The surge of murky, debris-strewn water so overloaded the system that sewage began to back up in basements and geysers of wastewater shot out of several sewer manholes,” the Chicago Tribune reported.
“The only way to get around is by kayak or canoe,” one resident told a local CBS affiliate. Major roads disappeared under water. Some residents had to evacuate their homes. A massive sinkhole swallowed three cars after the intense rain caused a water main to break.
“This is a new kind of storm associated with climate change,” Tom LaPorte, spokesman for the Chicago Department of Water Management, told Medill Reports on day two of the April flood. Extreme flooding is part of a pattern that has emerged in the last two decades, according to Illinois State climatologist Jim Angel.
Now a major insurance company is suing Chicago-area municipal governments saying they knew of the risks posed by climate change and should have been better prepared. The class-action lawsuits raise the question of who is liable for the costs of global warming." Read more here : http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mi...
it's weather....and the liberal leaders are in hock.

btw....the great chicago fire was arson....not climate change.....just like the western fires now.

you people are stupid enough to think others are as stupid as you.

isn't that your premise???

lol

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#34085 May 20, 2014
Captain Yesterday wrote:
<quoted text>
You may or may not be an idiot, but you're certainly a noisy trolling asshat. Get lost.
pssssssst. hey, captain........FUQUE OFF YOU SIMPLISTIC MORON.

do you realize how inept you are at this???

of course not!!!! you're a fuquing idiot!!! how could you??

“you know i know”

Since: Oct 07

denver

#34086 May 20, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Read my previous post.
I read it, why don't you answer the questions? Are you getting frustrated?
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#34087 May 20, 2014
harmonious wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe the scientific method is entirely applicable to this subject.
And has been applied. See the IPCC, NAS, most leading science journals, etc.

BG is just trying to refine the term 'experiment' to make it all important and eliminate any practical science by requiring a table top test you can do at home. That is NOT the scientific method. That is misleading troll bait.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34088 May 20, 2014
harmonious wrote:
<quoted text>
I read it, why don't you answer the questions? Are you getting frustrated?
Dumb dumb dumb

..

you are dumb to infinity.
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“you know i know”

Since: Oct 07

denver

#34090 May 20, 2014
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Dumb dumb dumb
..
you are dumb to infinity.
so you're frustrated and rude, not a surprise, as you're a religious zealot and your religion is AGW.

We'll presume these guys aren't part of the supposed 97%

Scientists Rebut White House Global Warming Claims
Sunday, 18 May 2014 06:30 PM
By Jennifer G. Hickey

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A group of independent scientists, economists, and meteorologists has issued a pointed response to the scientific foundation of the Obama administration's claims that humans are drastically changing the climate by burning fossil fuels.

With expertise in multiple disciplines, including climate research, weather modeling, physics, geology, statistical analysis, engineering, and economics, the 15 signers make the case that the foundation of the White House National Climate Assessment (NCA) is a "masterpiece of marketing" that crumbles like a "house of cards" under the weight of real-world evidence.

"They promote their 'Climate Models' as a reliable way to predict the future climate. But these models dramatically fail basic verification tests. Nowhere do they admit to these well-known failures. Instead, we are led to believe that their climate models are close to perfection," assert the scientists.

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/scientists-r ...

Oh, and too cowardly to answer questions, just like your hero Al Snore.

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Since: Oct 07

denver

#34091 May 20, 2014
"The scientists' rebuttal, however, strongly challenges the theory of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW), which it says is "based on a string of inferences that begins with the assumptions" that human burning of fossil fuels is driving up atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide and "is so grossly flawed it should play no role in U.S. Energy Policy Analyses and CO2 regulatory processes."

Among the signatories are: Dr. George Wolff, who formerly chaired the Environmental Protection Agency's Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee; Joseph S. D'Aleo, a fellow with the American Meteorological Society; Dr. Neil Laverne Frank, former director of the National Hurricane Center in Florida; and William M. "Bill" Gray, emeritus professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University."

Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/scientists-r...
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The debate hasn't even started, the Inquisition has however. Heretics must be silenced.
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Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34092 May 20, 2014
harmonious wrote:
<quoted text>
wow,.43 mm a year of sea rise, I guess you should just kill yourself now.
Accelerating to 1.3-6mm per year.

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34093 May 20, 2014
harmonious wrote:
Antarctic ice shelf melt 'lowest EVER recorded, global warming
www.theregister.co.uk/2014/.../antarctic_ice_... ...
The Register
Antarctic ice shelf melt 'lowest EVER recorded, global warming is NOT eroding it'. Human CO2 just not a big ... at Pine Island Glacier. By Lewis Page, 3 Jan 2014.
been to Antarctica lately? Of course not, you don't know squat about squat. IN fact you don't know anything that some other hysterical ninny didn't regurgitate to you.
Still too stupid even to work out how to post a link, and you think you have something to say on complex science?

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#34094 May 20, 2014
harmonious wrote:
<quoted text>
A lie, see above.
See what above?

The West Antarctic glaciers have been there for 10,000 years; they will be gone in 200-900 years.

This is not a constant melt rate- it's a rapid increase in the melt rate coinciding with global warming.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#34095 May 21, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
He doesn't ask a rationnal question. he wants the climate as an experimental object that peoples can manipulate the way they want[.] To be feasible, this would require that we have an Earth twin-sister to experiment with. As long as neither "Brian_G" nor "ritedownthemiddle" nor anyone can give me an Earth twin-sister to play with, I can tell you that "climate mitigation experimental tests" are pure fantasms, science is not science-fiction.
Why do you need a twin Earth, when we can add and remove CO2 from our atmosphere here to test the effects? If a scientist removed a billion tonnes of CO2 and then added it back, wouldn't you expect a climate effect? Or do you believe (like I do) man made CO2 emissions are too insignificant to cause a measurable climate change?

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Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#34096 May 21, 2014
UN climate change expert reveals bias in global warming report
By Richard TolPublished May 20, 2014FoxNews.com Facebook383 Twitter237 Gplus7
660-IPCC-AP.jpg
Three of the four installments of the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which claims to show the state of the global climate system under stress, are now available.
All three show things are seriously amiss – although not necessarily with the climate itself. The final installment, to be published in September will further underline the need to reform the IPCC.
The IPCC has three working groups, each producing its own report. Working Group I, focusing on climate change itself, released its findings last September. Compared to the previous report, of 2007, it quietly revised downwards its estimate of eventual global warming.
The first rule of climate policy should be: do no harm to economic growth. But the IPCC was asked to focus on the risks of climate change alone, and those who volunteered to be its authors eagerly obliged.
The IPCC became less pessimistic about climate change, although its press release would not tell you so.
The report also illustrates just how outmoded the IPCC has become since it was founded in 1988. Its reports are written over a period of three years, and finished months before publication.
When preparations started on AR5, the world hadn’t warmed for 13 years. That is a bit odd, if you believe the models, but not odd enough to merit a lot of attention.
By the time the report was finished, however, it hadn’t warmed for 17 years. That is decidedly odd, but hard to accommodate in a near-final draft that has been through three rounds of review.
After the report was finalized, but before it was published, a number of papers appeared with hypotheses about the pause in warming. AR5 was out of date before it was released.
The IPCC model – every six years a big splash of climate analysis – is broken.
Working Group 2, published in March, and focusing on the impacts of climate change, had a different problem. It lies at the heart of the previous IPCC controversy. The scientific literature now acknowledges that many of the more worrying impacts of climate change are in fact symptoms of social mismanagement and underdevelopment.
The first rule of climate policy should be: do no harm to economic growth. But the IPCC was asked to focus on the risks of climate change alone, and those who volunteered to be its authors eagerly obliged. There is even a groundbreaking section on emerging risks.
The first paper on an issue is always dramatic. That is the only way to get something onto the scientific agenda. Follow-up papers then pooh-pooh the initial drama. But the IPCC chose not to wait for those follow-up papers.
IPCC reports are often two to three thousand pages long, but there are two or three main findings only.
Authors who want to see their long hours of IPCC work recognized should thus present their impact as worse than the next one.
It was this inbuilt alarmism that made me step down from the team that drafted the Summary for Policy Makers of Working Group 2. And indeed, the report was greeted by the four horsemen of the apocalypse: famine, pestilence, war, death all made headlines.
April’s Working Group 3 had yet another problem. Its focus, climate policy, is a hot political debate in many countries.
The Summary for Policy Makers is drafted by academics, but approved line-by-line by government representatives. Every clause that could possibly be used against a government position, either in a domestic debate or in international negotiations, was neutered or removed.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#34097 May 21, 2014
CNN:
"Climate change is one of those stories that deserves more attention, that we all talk about, but we haven't figured out how to engage the audience in that story in a meaningful way," Zucker said Monday at an awards dinner in New York. "When we do do those stories, there does tend to be a tremendous amount of lack of interest on the audience's part."
and The Survey said

Albuquerque, NM

#34098 May 21, 2014
http://www.climatedepot.com/2014/03/12/gallup...

Climate Disruption: most people don't care.
1 post removed

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#34100 May 21, 2014
flack wrote:
UN climate change expert reveals bias in global warming report
By Richard TolPublished May 20, 2014FoxNews.com Facebook383 Twitter237 Gplus7
660-IPCC-AP.jpg
Three of the four installments of the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which claims to show the state of the global climate system under stress, are now available.
All three show things are seriously amiss – although not necessarily with the climate itself. The final installment, to be published in September will further underline the need to reform the IPCC.
The IPCC has three working groups, each producing its own report. Working Group I, focusing on climate change itself, released its findings last September. Compared to the previous report, of 2007, it quietly revised downwards its estimate of eventual global warming.
The first rule of climate policy should be: do no harm to economic growth. But the IPCC was asked to focus on the risks of climate change alone, and those who volunteered to be its authors eagerly obliged.
The IPCC became less pessimistic about climate change, although its press release would not tell you so.
The report also illustrates just how outmoded the IPCC has become since it was founded in 1988. Its reports are written over a period of three years, and finished months before publication.
When preparations started on AR5, the world hadn’t warmed for 13 years. That is a bit odd, if you believe the models, but not odd enough to merit a lot of attention.
By the time the report was finished, however, it hadn’t warmed for 17 years. That is decidedly odd, but hard to accommodate in a near-final draft that has been through three rounds of review.
After the report was finalized, but before it was published, a number of papers appeared with hypotheses about the pause in warming. AR5 was out of date before it was released.
The IPCC model – every six years a big splash of climate analysis – is broken.
Working Group 2, published in March, and focusing on the impacts of climate change, had a different problem. It lies at the heart of the previous IPCC controversy. The scientific literature now acknowledges that many of the more worrying impacts of climate change are in fact symptoms of social mismanagement and underdevelopment.
The first rule of climate policy should be: do no harm to economic growth. But the IPCC was asked to focus on the risks of climate change alone, and those who volunteered to be its authors eagerly obliged. There is even a groundbreaking section on emerging risks.
The first paper on an issue is always dramatic. That is the only way to get something onto the scientific agenda. Follow-up papers then pooh-pooh the initial drama. But the IPCC chose not to wait for those follow-up papers.
IPCC reports are often two to three thousand pages long, but there are two or three main findings only.
Authors who want to see their long hours of IPCC work recognized should thus present their impact as worse than the next one.
Report reveals bias in Coal and Oil climate-denialist propaganda. YIKES. Okay, look, Eric Zencey said in his latest book ("The Other Road to Serfdom and the Path to Sustainable Democracy," still available at your local booksellers, if you order it) that we were headed for lost rights and repressive regimes because when civilization presses up against environment limits there's no room to do anything differently, and dissent becomes an impediment rather than the texture of political life. But Eric Zencey didn't foresee this. North Carolina Rethuglicans want your ass in jail if you tell people what chemicals are being used in fracking. Corporations have a right to their trade secrets, right? And their rights trump yours. G'bye, First Amendment. Check this out: http://www.nationofchange.org/north-carolina-...

“Come Home America!”

Since: Nov 11

Claymont, Delaware 19809

#34101 May 21, 2014
flack wrote:
UN climate change expert reveals bias in global warming report
By Richard TolPublished May 20, 2014FoxNews.com Facebook383 Twitter237 Gplus7
660-IPCC-AP.jpg
Three of the four installments of the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which claims to show the state of the global climate system under stress, are now available.
All three show things are seriously amiss – although not necessarily with the climate itself. The final installment, to be published in September will further underline the need to reform the IPCC.
The IPCC has three working groups, each producing its own report. Working Group I, focusing on climate change itself, released its findings last September. Compared to the previous report, of 2007, it quietly revised downwards its estimate of eventual global warming.
The first rule of climate policy should be: do no harm to economic growth. But the IPCC was asked to focus on the risks of climate change alone, and those who volunteered to be its authors eagerly obliged.
The IPCC became less pessimistic about climate change, although its press release would not tell you so.
The report also illustrates just how outmoded the IPCC has become since it was founded in 1988. Its reports are written over a period of three years, and finished months before publication.
...
The first paper on an issue is always dramatic. That is the only way to get something onto the scientific agenda. Follow-up papers then pooh-pooh the initial drama. But the IPCC chose not to wait for those follow-up papers.
IPCC reports are often two to three thousand pages long, but there are two or three main findings only.
Authors who want to see their long hours of IPCC work recognized should thus present their impact as worse than the next one.
It was this inbuilt alarmism that made me step down from the team that drafted the Summary for Policy Makers of Working Group 2. And indeed, the report was greeted by the four horsemen of the apocalypse: famine, pestilence, war, death all made headlines.
April’s Working Group 3 had yet another problem. Its focus, climate policy, is a hot political debate in many countries.
The Summary for Policy Makers is drafted by academics, but approved line-by-line by government representatives. Every clause that could possibly be used against a government position, either in a domestic debate or in international negotiations, was neutered or removed.
Check this out: http://www.nationofchange.org/north-carolina-... Okay, look, Eric Zencey said in his latest book ("The Other Road to Serfdom and the Path to Sustainable Democracy," still available at your local booksellers, if you order it) that we were headed for lost rights and repressive regimes because when civilization presses up against environment limits there's no room to do anything differently, and dissent becomes an impediment rather than the texture of political life. But Eric Zencey didn't foresee this. North Carolina Rethuglicans want your ass in jail if you tell people what chemicals are being used in fracking. Corporations have a right to their trade secrets, right? And their rights trump yours. G'bye, First Amendment.
LIbEralS

Saint Paul, MN

#34102 May 21, 2014
and The Survey said wrote:
http://www.climatedepot.com/20 14/03/12/gallup-poll-climate-c hange-not-a-top-worry-in-u-s-m ajority-of-americans-51-worry- only-a-little-or-not-at-all-ab out-global-warming-2014-enviro nmental-concerns-rank-lowest-i n-gallup-poll/
Climate Disruption: most people don't care.
The country is going to heII all around us, so that would tend to be a distraction...

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#34103 May 21, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Why do you need a twin Earth, when we can add and remove CO2 from our atmosphere here to test the effects?
And you're going to remove CO2 with your cute handies ?

We can add CO2, you're not clever enough to remove any CO2 from the air. Plants can do.
When you can, tell the way you process
Brian_G wrote:
If a scientist removed a billion tonnes of CO2 and then added it back, wouldn't you expect a climate effect?
I don't expect that any scientist can remove or add a billion tonnes CO2, I'm not that technic and scientific crap you are, any industrial mean to remove CO2 from the air is CO2 generating.

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