Global warming 'undeniable,' scientis...

Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

There are 35579 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Jul 29, 2010, titled Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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#33077 Apr 23, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>actually, you're missing the point. unlike easter island and other planets we have observed.....the earth as a whole has the only required ingredients to make the soup for sustainable life.
"What about the harm done to something whose value is incalculable, like the Earth's climate, or the future generations who will be affected by its disruptions? Market economics is blind to those existential damages as well. It's fortunate for us that our ancestors didn't feel that way that about their descendants. Their values evidently included our survival.

Can civilization survive by knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing -- not even the value of its natural life-support systems? In effect, global capitalism asserts that it can. The eminent environmentalist Lester Brown concludes that it will fail, because it cannot adapt to the ecological truth that in the end will undermine it -- and very likely human civilization as well. " http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-stanley/bu...
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#33079 Apr 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
The difference with wood is that coal doesn't grow up unlike forests which are now about 1/3 of the surface of France, just notice that at the end of XVIIIth century, France forests surface had reached a low point under 15% of the territory, therefore wood is a true renewable energy. Cuts in forests make them healthier. Right now, it's the cheapest heating source in France, wood pellets being made of woodwork inexploitable parts of the trees.
^^^The left wants us to burn agricultural leftovers and dung; wood is smokier than anthracite coal. Buy an American casted coal stove and fuel it with clean burning coal:

Anthracite is considered the cleanest burning of all coal types. Anthracite produces more heat and less smoke than other coals, and is widely used in hand-fired furnaces. Some residential home heating stove systems still use anthracite, which burns longer than wood. Anthracite has been nicknamed "hard coal," especially by locomotive engineers who used it for fueling trains.
http://energy.about.com/od/Coal/a/Anthracite-...

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GOOM BOWN

#33080 Apr 23, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> "What about the harm done to something whose value is incalculable, like the Earth's climate, or the future generations who will be affected by its disruptions? Market economics is blind to those existential damages as well. It's fortunate for us that our ancestors didn't feel that way that about their descendants. Their values evidently included our survival.
Can civilization survive by knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing -- not even the value of its natural life-support systems? In effect, global capitalism asserts that it can. The eminent environmentalist Lester Brown concludes that it will fail, because it cannot adapt to the ecological truth that in the end will undermine it -- and very likely human civilization as well. " http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-stanley/bu...
if anything has a value that is incalculable....and you can't discern the true costs of what an uncertain remedy will be....why try to put an economic 'fix' to the problem before it's been scientifically tested? you really using lester as a springboard to prove your point? he's never been right about any of his gloom and doom predictions.
your appeal to emotion is your achilles heel, son.

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Charlie's

#33081 Apr 23, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
Anthracite is considered the cleanest burning of all coal types. Anthracite produces more heat and less smoke than other coals, and is widely used in hand-fired furnaces. Some residential home heating stove systems still use anthracite, which burns longer than wood.
Anthracite is the most expensive coal. Cheaper coals may contain sulfur and many pollutant molecules. Wood or coal heating is forbiden in many of our cities. Wood is used mainly in country houses.

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#33082 Apr 23, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>if anything has a value that is incalculable....and you can't discern the true costs of what an uncertain remedy will be....why try to put an economic 'fix' to the problem before it's been scientifically tested? you really using lester as a springboard to prove your point? he's never been right about any of his gloom and doom predictions.
your appeal to emotion is your achilles heel, son.
Wrong again. All of Lester Brown 's predictions have been Dead Solid Perfect. The biggest derivatives markets on Wall Street have been adverse risk speculators betting on the future time and moment when the fossil fuel markets collapse. So much for 'human needs ' with extractive capitalist gamblers.
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#33084 Apr 23, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Wrong again. All of Lester Brown 's predictions have been Dead Solid Perfect..
I must see a link to this claim.....or consider you totally full of shyt since some show that hasn't been the case at all concerning old Les.
http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/...

What derivatives markets are you talking about, son? This is a peculiar claim you're making now, too!!

lol
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#33086 Apr 23, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>I must see a link to this claim.....or consider you totally full of shyt since some show that hasn't been the case at all concerning old Les.
http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/...
What derivatives markets are you talking about, son? This is a peculiar claim you're making now, too!!
lol
Julian Simon is a Ponzi-Scheme bull shitter! You need to get some better , more reputable sources than that old phony pseudo-economist. And the same derivatives markets that Paul Ryan invested in betting that the United States Republican-controlled House would force a shut down of the government and default on its loans rather than raise the debt ceiling .(Some 'conflict of interest' for asshat Paul Ryan;dont'cha think?)
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#33087 Apr 23, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Julian Simon is a Ponzi-Scheme bull shitter! You need to get some better , more reputable sources than that old phony pseudo-economist. And the same derivatives markets that Paul Ryan invested in betting that the United States Republican-controlled House would force a shut down of the government and default on its loans rather than raise the debt ceiling .(Some 'conflict of interest' for asshat Paul Ryan;dont'cha think?)
What a lame argument. You offer nothing to support this Lester Brown (never heard of him before) by attacking Julian Simon without any evidence about Julian Simon's "ponzi scheme", and still offer nothing to support Brown.

I Googled him. Seems to be a favorite doom and gloom predictor of the left who keeps getting attention even though he's always wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-ridley/dow...
http://pop.org/content/lester-brown-still-wro...
http://greeneconomics.blogspot.com/2011/01/ec...

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#33088 Apr 23, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Julian Simon is a Ponzi-Scheme bull shitter! You need to get some better , more reputable sources than that old phony pseudo-economist. And the same derivatives markets that Paul Ryan invested in betting that the United States Republican-controlled House would force a shut down of the government and default on its loans rather than raise the debt ceiling .(Some 'conflict of interest' for asshat Paul Ryan;dont'cha think?)
Interesting......you can't provide a link as requested? Just more mindless opinions?

Your reference to derivatives in this post is even more vague than your previous claim, son!

Do you have any idea of what you're even talking about? Your rants don't imply that you do. Sorry.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#33089 Apr 23, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>I must see a link to this claim.....or consider you totally full of shyt since some show that hasn't been the case at all concerning old Les.
http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Articles/...
What derivatives markets are you talking about, son? This is a peculiar claim you're making now, too!!
lol
This 'reactionary' fellow may have tipped us off to the mindset of the left and how they're so willing to believe in the "end of the world" via "global warming".

There has been a long history of predictions about a myriad of causes of mankinds doom... water shortages, food shortages, pollution, population explosion, and now global warming. These folks need some happy pills and some 'Life is Good' therapy sessions instead of the self-flagelation that permeates their existence.

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#33090 Apr 23, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
What a lame argument. You offer nothing to support this Lester Brown (never heard of him before) by attacking Julian Simon without any evidence about Julian Simon's "ponzi scheme", and still offer nothing to support Brown.
I Googled him. Seems to be a favorite doom and gloom predictor of the left who keeps getting attention even though he's always wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-ridley/dow...
http://pop.org/content/lester-brown-still-wro...
http://greeneconomics.blogspot.com/2011/01/ec...
Funny thing....how these people champion hoaxsters and doom and gloomers regardless of their track records.

It's like they love failure.
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#33091 Apr 23, 2014
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>Funny thing....how these people champion hoaxsters and doom and gloomers regardless of their track records.
It's like they love failure.
Were I in the 'get a government grant for research' business, I can think of a lot of ways to study why some folks just want to be unhappy, miserable and find reason to be pessimistic about the future.

Cha-Ching!

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#33092 Apr 24, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
Anthracite is the most expensive coal. Cheaper coals may contain sulfur and many pollutant molecules. Wood or coal heating is forbiden in many of our cities. Wood is used mainly in country houses.
The left is all about telling citizens how they may heat their homes or carry their groceries home from the store; I'm for freedom.

Check the price of anthracite coal; economy of scale often makes clean coal heat less expensive than coal.

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#33093 Apr 24, 2014
Brian_G wrote:
The left is all about telling citizens how they may heat their homes or carry their groceries home from the store; I'm for freedom.
You can't be free to use heating means that filth the neighbours' houses and turn to black the city frontages. It's not a matter of left or right parties, in France, it's a conservative government which ordered decadal buildings frontage whasing, to start with administrative ones and it's happy that everyone can see the cathedral Notre-Dame de Paris and other historical monuments back to their original limestone colour.
Sometimes, personnal freedom must cede at common interests, King Philippe Auguste (1180-1223) ordered that all the Paris wooden houses had to be plaster covered, as a result Paris was known as the most beautiful city of christiandom in the middle-age, and never suffered giant fires such as the Great Fire of London

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#33094 Apr 24, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
What a lame argument. You offer nothing to support this Lester Brown (never heard of him before) by attacking Julian Simon without any evidence about Julian Simon's "ponzi scheme", and still offer nothing to support Brown.
I Googled him. Seems to be a favorite doom and gloom predictor of the left who keeps getting attention even though he's always wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-ridley/dow...
http://pop.org/content/lester-brown-still-wro...
http://greeneconomics.blogspot.com/2011/01/ec...
I don't have to prove anything about Lester Brown . His reputation is impeccable .

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#33095 Apr 24, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
This 'reactionary' fellow may have tipped us off to the mindset of the left and how they're so willing to believe in the "end of the world" via "global warming".
There has been a long history of predictions about a myriad of causes of mankinds doom... water shortages, food shortages, pollution, population explosion, and now global warming. These folks need some happy pills and some 'Life is Good' therapy sessions instead of the self-flagelation that permeates their existence.
Today; humans are causing the next mass extinction of Planet Earth. "Although the Cretaceous-Tertiary (or K-T) extinction event is the most well-known because it wiped out the dinosaurs, a series of other mass extinction events has occurred throughout the history of the Earth, some even more devastating than K-T. Mass extinctions are periods in Earth's history when abnormally large numbers of species die out simultaneously or within a limited time frame. The most severe occurred at the end of the Permian period when 96% of all species perished. This along with K-T are two of the Big Five mass extinctions, each of which wiped out at least half of all species. Many smaller scale mass extinctions have occurred, indeed the disappearance of many animals and plants at the hands of man in prehistoric, historic and modern times will eventually show up in the fossil record as mass extinctions. Discover more about Earth's major extinction events below." Check this out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/extinction_events
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#33096 Apr 24, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> I don't have to prove anything about Lester Brown . His reputation is impeccable .
Lester Brown: Still Wrong After All These Years
http://pop.org/content/lester-brown-still-wro...

LOL
Mothra

Tempe, AZ

#33097 Apr 24, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
<quoted text> Today; humans are causing the next mass extinction of Planet Earth. "Although the Cretaceous-Tertiary (or K-T) extinction event is the most well-known because it wiped out the dinosaurs, a series of other mass extinction events has occurred throughout the history of the Earth, some even more devastating than K-T. Mass extinctions are periods in Earth's history when abnormally large numbers of species die out simultaneously or within a limited time frame. The most severe occurred at the end of the Permian period when 96% of all species perished. This along with K-T are two of the Big Five mass extinctions, each of which wiped out at least half of all species. Many smaller scale mass extinctions have occurred, indeed the disappearance of many animals and plants at the hands of man in prehistoric, historic and modern times will eventually show up in the fossil record as mass extinctions. Discover more about Earth's major extinction events below." Check this out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/extinction_events
I repeat...

"This 'reactionary' fellow may have tipped us off to the mindset of the left and how they're so willing to believe in the "end of the world" via "global warming".

There has been a long history of predictions about a myriad of causes of mankinds doom... water shortages, food shortages, pollution, population explosion, and now global warming. These folks need some happy pills and some 'Life is Good' therapy sessions instead of the self-flagelation that permeates their existence. "

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#33098 Apr 25, 2014
frontporchreactionary wrote:
Today; humans are causing the next mass extinction of Planet Earth....
Can you name even one species that's been extinguished by global warming?

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#33099 Apr 25, 2014
Mothra wrote:
<quoted text>
Lester Brown: Still Wrong After All These Years
http://pop.org/content/lester-brown-still-wro...
LOL
You've got to do better than Alex Avery . He's a paid shill of Big Ag and Big Oil --and we know that those Big Corporate extractive capitalists lie through their shiny white teeth to protect themselves from lawsuits for their criminal actions at willingly massively polluting the Earth.. "Alex Avery is the Director of Research and Education at the Center for Global Food Issues (CGFI), a project of the Hudson Institute. The Hudson Institute receives funding from big agribusiness interests, including Monsanto, DowElanco, the Ag-Chem Equipment Company and Syngenta which are involved in agriculture biotechnology." Check this out: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Alex_Ave...

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