Global warming 'undeniable,' scientists say

Full story: TwinCities.com

Scientists from around the world are providing even more evidence of global warming, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for climate legislation.

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RU Kidding wrote:
Consider this fact ;
Energy prices consume 13-24% of the poor and middle class income while energy prices consumes 5-8% of the income of the rich.
So how is that high energy prices treating you??
Your post is meaningless.

How do you compare mansions, helicopters, jets, yachts, limos, restaurants, etc on a personal basis?

There's data on the rich but not what you posted. They are energy wasters.
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<quoted text>More relevant than any of my stupid comments.
Exactly so why do you continue to do so? Has your care giver forgot to administer your meds today?
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Northie wrote:
Trolls trolling for trolls, tra-la-la. Just another day on Rednex.
La la.. voila.

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It's also important to note that while the arctic ice caps are at approaching record low levels, the antarctic ice, which accounts for about 90 percent of the worlds ice total, has been constantly expanding. Now, had I a guess, I'd saw that global warming is more myth then anything. The problem with the arctic ice loss probably has much more to do with Russia's fleet of ice-breakers. They break the ice up and make chunks of ice more vulnerable to drifting into warmer waters and melting. Not sure whether or not greenhouse gases really effect the climate in the long term, but it seems to me that it's impact gets really exaggerated in the media.
If the greenhouse effect was a universal truth, then it would affect both poles, not just the north one, and that's not the case. Anyway, every summer, ice does break off and melt in Antarctica, and every winter the ice expands, and every year on record from the NSIDC (National Snow and Ice Data Center) the antarctic ice has expanded more each winter then it's shrunk in the summer.
Also, a lot of scientists are skeptical of the whole greenhouse effect thing, for the reasons I mentioned, but the media favors the pro-greenhouse effect crowd, so they get more attention. The greenhouse effect remains an unproven theory. If you care about the arctic ice, petition to have Russia stop breaking the ice apart. That is a far more logical cause to the shrinking ice then a 'greenhouse effect' which only seems to effect the Northern ice and not the far larger southern ice.
If only you were correct about the Antarctic ice. It has been pretty consistent in maintaining its size, neither up nor down any significant amount. We were just discussing it not long ago.

The rest of your post is rubbish as well.

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Mothra wrote:
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President Obama has made so-called “green energy” policies a key part of his economic agenda, but as a new book argues, they actually disproportionately hurt the poor by boosting the cost of energy.
Last week, Examiner columnist and Manhattan Institute fellow Diana Furchtgott-Roth, author of the new book “Regulating to Disaster: How Green Jobs Policies Are Damaging America’s Economy,” explained that:
Most people think green is good but pay little attention to associated increases in costs. In 2015, it will cost between $49 and $79 to generate one megawatt hour of electricity from natural gas. A megawatt hour from onshore wind will cost between $75 and $138, and from solar photovoltaic will cost between $242 and $455.
As her book demonstrates in this chart, rising costs of energy hit lower income Americans the hardest, because they spend a higher proportion of their incomes on energy:
http://washingtonexaminer.com/how-obamas-gree...
With NG at what price? Current low prices in the US are not sustainable BECAUSE the owners of NG can make a bundle ($3.50 in US/$14.00 in Brazil, China, Europe, etc...) exporting it.

So what does that Megawatt cost with NG at $10?

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Close to 80 posts and only two merit a response. None of the cut and paste from the blog needed a response. None of Tina's "lets move the goals posts" required a response.
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Close to 80 posts and only two merit a response. None of the cut and paste from the blog needed a response. None of Tina's "lets move the goals posts" required a response.
Huh. You don't think energy market is worthy of your interest.

"How do higher energy prices affect consumer welfare?"

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<quoted text>Huh. You don't think energy market is worthy of your interest.
"How do higher energy prices affect consumer welfare?"
Long-term or short-term from what perspective?

I addressed the energy market posting about natural gas.

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SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Huh. You don't think energy market is worthy of your interest.
"How do higher energy prices affect consumer welfare?"
Short term it will cost him more money.

Long term it will result in less energy consumption.

Long term it will result in a change to less costly sources.

Long term it will result in increased R&D spending and production of more energy efficient items and cheaper sources of energy.

Long term it MAY result in a cleaner, life friendly environment.

Long term it will make current sources of energy last longer.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

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The funiest[sic] in this forum!
Very fun<y.
Nauseous referred to harvey as a troll and you thought it fun<y.
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RU Kidding wrote:
Consider this fact ;
Energy prices consume 13-24% of the poor and middle class income while energy prices consumes 5-8% of the income of the rich.
So how is that high energy prices treating you??
thanks

and once again the least who can afford Obamanomics is the poor and middle class.

unintended consequences of liberalism
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<quoted text>Very fun<y.
Nauseous referred to harvey as a troll and you thought it fun<y.
And you use useless babble and think its science. Now that’s priceless.
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Latest about Arctic sea ice melt 'and recovery':

Barely ABOVE 4 million km2, Arctic sea ice extent is still BELOW any recorded level in any previous year for ~6 weeks, presently at 4,166,563 km2 (October 2, 2012), fractionally gaining ~25,000 km2(a bit more than West Virginia area) of sea ice the previous day, despite the sun, unseen, from the North Pole for 10+ days, & temperatures above the 80th parallel, a bit above -13 degC, fractionally above normal. Much warmth built up in Arctic waters these past months is resisting its conversion back to sea ice, especially southern Arctic waters which have seen much more solar energy absorbed than northern Arctic clear waters.

Only along the Greenland east coast is sea ice extending greatly south. All other regions, including the Northwest Passage, Northeast Passage & Arctic waters, south of the Arctic Ice Pack, resist conversion back to Arctic sea ice.

IN ADDITION, for months, any downwellings in the Arctic waters that have been ice-free, have been conducting much captured solar energy radiating on those clear waters, to the depths of the continental shelves & Arctic Ocean.

This same Arctic Ocean warmth is & will continue to keep Arctic sea ice thinner through the coming winter & even spring. As of October 2, Arctic sea ice VOLUME is ~23% lower than any satellite recorded year AND indications of submarine-detected Arctic sea ice VOLUME.

Yes, the Arctic sea ice Volume is disappearing, day to day, & year to year, quicker than the Arctic sea ice extent, even in the time of Arctic sea ice increase.

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Can anyone name one scientist who has openly denied that Earth has warmed?

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Oh yeah, surprise, Romney also lied about gas prices.

Romney doesn't talk but he lies. I bet that every thought in his little, demented brain is a lie.

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Oh yeah, Romney, the filthy liar also lied (surprise!) about clean energy investments.

Oh yeah, Romney also lied (surprise, surprise) about domestic energy production which has increased hugely under Obama.

Importing of oil is at the lowest it has been since 1996.

There are 7,000 drill permits for private companies ready to go.

Romney, surprise, is a pathological liar. He lies about absolutely everything. He is sick in the head.

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For Real wrote:
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thanks
and once again the least who can afford Obamanomics is the poor and middle class.
unintended consequences of liberalism
The Great Recession was caused by businessperson Potus Dumbya Bush.

Businessperson lying scumbag Romney promises to be Dumbya Bush on steroids and grind the middle class into the ground. He thinks that the billions going to Exxon Mobil are just peachy.
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Obama is the worst.
He lies about everything including his obvious attempt to drive the US economy into bankruptcy.
This guy wants everybody under guberment control just like his communist buddies.
He increased the US debt by $4 TRILLION, that's more that every President in total thru all history.
Each child born in the US today with the now $16 TRILLION debt owes $53,000.
Romney knows that an increasing population without jobs will kill the economy and no amount of tax increases and lavish spending by printing and borowing money from communist China save the US.
It just makes it worse, like Obama wants.
What an idiot.
Elect an American not a closet Muslim that wants to destroy a once great country.
Wake up or accept your demise.
The choice is yours.

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"However, Romney continued to struggle to explain how he could possibly offset such a large loss of revenue without shifting the burden away from upper-income taxpayers, who benefit disproportionately from across-the-board rate cuts and especially from elimination of the estate tax (which falls only on estates exceeding $5.1 million left by any who die this year). The Tax Policy Center concluded earlier this year that it wasn’t mathematically possible for a plan such as Romney’s to cut rates as he promised without either favoring the wealthy or increasing the federal deficit."

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