House passes 20-week abortion ban

House passes 20-week abortion ban

There are 426 comments on the Feministing story from Jun 19, 2013, titled House passes 20-week abortion ban. In it, Feministing reports that:

Yesterday evening the House of Representatives passed the "Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act," a ban on legal abortions 20 weeks or more after fertilization based on dubious evidence that fetuses can feel pain during the second trimester.

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Broseph

New Castle, DE

#64 Jul 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
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I mean, even you would concede that abortion kills something, right?
People gestate humans, thus my rationale.
If we were to follow your logic, me masturbating would make me on par with Stalin and Mao. I'm killing life, so it must be wrong.

Since: Jul 13

Melbourne

#65 Jul 8, 2013
Ban abortion altogether.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#66 Jul 8, 2013
Broseph wrote:
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My finger tip packs far more human cells than a zygote. More DNA. Does my fingertip hold more value then that zygote? Also, why shouldn't her livelihood be considered as an option when her livelihood is connected to her life, her well being, and the well being of her loved ones?
Your cell-packed finger tip isn't a separate life.

No one aborts zygotes. It's single-cell. Nonetheless, a zygote is a stage of human development.

She certainly should consider her livelihood when making choices about her reproductive life, before she involves others.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#67 Jul 8, 2013
Broseph wrote:
<quoted text>
If we were to follow your logic, me masturbating would make me on par with Stalin and Mao. I'm killing life, so it must be wrong.
Equating single cells with a fertilized human egg isn't really "logic", is it?

We're speaking of a developing human, not your fingernails.
Broseph

New Castle, DE

#68 Jul 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Your cell-packed finger tip isn't a separate life.
No one aborts zygotes. It's single-cell. Nonetheless, a zygote is a stage of human development.
She certainly should consider her livelihood when making choices about her reproductive life, before she involves others.
Nor is the zygote itself a separate life. It depends entirely on lining against the uteral wall of the woman to exist. Also, sperm and eggs play roles in human development, yet people sell them. Are these people engaged in slavery? And a woman should indeed consider her livelihood. That's why I support her being able to have an abortion, if she feels she needs one.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Equating single cells with a fertilized human egg isn't really "logic", is it?
We're speaking of a developing human, not your fingernails.
Why isn't it logical? I'm following your line of thought. A zygote is a single cell, as is one sperm. A zygote has the potential to give rise to a human, as one sperm cell does. How are they different? Why is one human, while the other isn't?

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#69 Jul 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I mean, even you would concede that abortion kills something, right?
People gestate humans, thus my rationale.
Define kill Dan.

There is no "life" (heartbeat) at the moment of conception. Something that is not alive cannot be killed.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#70 Jul 8, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
She certainly should consider her livelihood when making choices about her reproductive life, before she involves others.
Dumb statement.

She has no idea she is involving "others". It is a crap shoot Dan. Pregnancy does not occur with every sex act. Even those who practice NFP (very risky BC) are trying to avoid conception but it happens and frequently with that method.

You should preach the same song and dance to men, that certainly has fallen on deaf ears for eons.

Morgana 9

“And the Horse You Rode in On”

Since: Sep 08

Minneapolis

#71 Jul 8, 2013
Athaliah wrote:
Ban abortion altogether.
Yeah......make women cough it up even when their life is at risk.

FU.
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#72 Jul 9, 2013
Broseph wrote:
<quoted text>
Nor is the zygote itself a separate life. It depends entirely on lining against the uteral wall of the woman to exist. Also, sperm and eggs play roles in human development, yet people sell them. Are these people engaged in slavery? And a woman should indeed consider her livelihood. That's why I support her being able to have an abortion, if she feels she needs one.
<quoted text>
Why isn't it logical? I'm following your line of thought. A zygote is a single cell, as is one sperm. A zygote has the potential to give rise to a human, as one sperm cell does. How are they different? Why is one human, while the other isn't?
A zygote is the fetilized egg, and at that point it's a single cell. Of course it has to attach itself, et. al. Again, people don't abort zygotes. The woman herself is unaware that she's pregnant when it's a zygote.

People do sell egg cells and sperm cells. In and of themselves, they're just cells-they cannot develop into people independently, so you aren't exercising "slavery".

A sperm cell cannot develop into a human being independently; it needs an egg. A zygote can develop into a human being. It's a fertilized egg cell.

Biology 101, Broseph.
Dan

Atlanta, GA

#73 Jul 9, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Define kill Dan.
There is no "life" (heartbeat) at the moment of conception. Something that is not alive cannot be killed.
There's life at conception. It's living.

Abortions don't take place at the moment of conception.

Dan

Atlanta, GA

#74 Jul 9, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dumb statement.
She has no idea she is involving "others". It is a crap shoot Dan. Pregnancy does not occur with every sex act. Even those who practice NFP (very risky BC) are trying to avoid conception but it happens and frequently with that method.
You should preach the same song and dance to men, that certainly has fallen on deaf ears for eons.
She certainly does know she could be involving others, Morgana, unless she isn't aware of how people come about.

Someone who's livelihood would be put at risk (Broseph's hypothetical) should treat decisions like this as a crapshoot? I don't think talking to men is an answer for this outlook, is it?

Since: Jul 13

Melbourne

#75 Jul 9, 2013
Morgana 9 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah......make women cough it up even when their life is at risk.
FU.
As a woman i am digusted that other women like yourself would rather kill a life. Maybe if you kept your morals in check you wouldnt have to have an abortion.
Broseph

New Castle, DE

#76 Jul 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
A zygote is the fetilized egg, and at that point it's a single cell. Of course it has to attach itself, et. al. Again, people don't abort zygotes. The woman herself is unaware that she's pregnant when it's a zygote.
People do sell egg cells and sperm cells. In and of themselves, they're just cells-they cannot develop into people independently, so you aren't exercising "slavery".
A sperm cell cannot develop into a human being independently; it needs an egg. A zygote can develop into a human being. It's a fertilized egg cell.
Biology 101, Broseph.
Zygotes can't develop into people independently either, Dan. It dies without the uteral wall of the woman. Thanks anyway for the lecture, professor.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#77 Jul 9, 2013
Athaliah wrote:
<quoted text>
As a woman i am digusted that other women like yourself would rather kill a life. Maybe if you kept your morals in check you wouldnt have to have an abortion.
As a woman, I am appalled that you would treat the subject of another woman's life being in danger so lightly. I am also disgusted by your assumption that all pro-choice women have abortions, or that we all act "immorally".
Dan

Omaha, NE

#78 Jul 9, 2013
Broseph wrote:
<quoted text>
Zygotes can't develop into people independently either, Dan. It dies without the uteral wall of the woman. Thanks anyway for the lecture, professor.
They usually go down better if you read them.

"Of course it has to attach itself, et. al."

Since: Jul 13

Melbourne

#79 Jul 9, 2013
Bitner:

Never said all women who are pro-abortion have abortions. But the fact that you support the fetus genocide shows you lack any morals.

You are like the German civillian during WW2 who saw jews being led away to the camps and did nothing. They are just as guilty. Just as you are guilty for the multitide of lives that have been taken. All because a woman didnt want the convience of giving birth and raising a child. When she should have thought about that before she spread her legs.

And i know you are liberal, and will throw the rape victim issue about. but the overall majority of women having abortions are not rape victimes 99% are people who dont want the inconviences etc othwr simillar issues.

I thought Wiccans respect life. Guess i was wrong.

But i guess you sleep well at night, knowing you fully support a womens right to end the life inside her, without a care. Very socipathic mindset. when you look at it.
Broseph

New Castle, DE

#80 Jul 9, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
They usually go down better if you read them.
"Of course it has to attach itself, et. al."
Nice dodge, but ineffective. Both sperm, eggs, and zygotes are single cells. Both sperm, eggs, and zygotes have can't exist without a human host. Why is one human while the others aren't? Also, this still doesn't play a role in actually why a woman should have an abortion or not. You have yet to convince me why the economic reason isn't a good one.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#81 Jul 9, 2013
Athaliah wrote:
"Never said all women who are pro-abortion have abortions."

You implied it.

"But the fact that you support the fetus genocide shows you lack any morals."

The fact that you are equating one woman making her own decision about one pregnancy with "genocide" show you have a penchant for melodrama. There is no "genocide" here. No one is attempting to eliminate all humans by abortion, no one person or group is making this decision for all pregnancies, no one is even attempting to eliminate all fetuses. Most women still choose to remain pregnancy. Get a grip.

"You are like the German civillian during WW2 who saw jews being led away to the camps and did nothing. They are just as guilty."

Oh, and here we go. Nazis, huh? Well, sister, the fact is that Hilter outlawed abortion for "Aryan women", and his crew FORCED it onto others. There choices were taken away from them then, just as you would like to do to women now. YOUR side has more in common with the fascism of Hitler than the pro-choice side does.

"Just as you are guilty for the multitide of lives that have been taken."

I can only be "guilty" of things I have done.

"All because a woman didnt want the convience of giving birth and raising a child. When she should have thought about that before she spread her legs."

So, it's not about abortion, it's about a woman being free to have sex without being forced to produce a baby out of it, so of a modern equivalent of having to sew a scarlet letter onto her clothes? Got it. Why on earth you would want someone so "immoral" and "lazy" raising a child is beyond me.

"And i know you are liberal, and will throw the rape victim issue about."

I am not liberal, and I rarely mention rape as regards this issue. Just more stupid assumptions on your part. Carry on.

"but the overall majority of women having abortions are not rape victimes 99% are people who dont want the inconviences etc othwr simillar issues."

You use the word "convenience" as though it means exactly the same as "trivial". I submit that you don't get to decide what is "trivial" for anyone but yourself, and that you would find abject poverty NOT to be a matter of "mere" convenience.

"I thought Wiccans respect life. Guess i was wrong."

Wiccans hold all life to be sacred, not just human life. All life is equal, humans no better, or more "special" than any other life. We also understand that holding life to be sacred does not preclude taking life. Otherwise we wouldn't be able to eat, take antibiotics, or defend ourselves, loved ones, society at large, or our country. And that the defense of our own lives INCLUDES the path we are walking, not just our literal life. What's YOUR position on the death penalty, just by the way? I'm fine with it.

"But i guess you sleep well at night, knowing you fully support a womens right to end the life inside her, without a care."

"without a care"? Says who?

I sleep just fine, thank you.

"Very socipathic mindset. when you look at it."

Nonsense. Supporting a woman's right to make her own decision regarding her own uterus and pregnancy, based upon her own circumstances and moral code, and without interference from busybodies who think THEIR morals must govern the world, IS the moral position.

It's not MY decision to make. Nor it is yours, or the gov't's.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#82 Jul 9, 2013
Oh, good grief! That'll teach me to be on the phone while typing. Apologies for the numerous errors in the above post.

Since: Jul 13

Melbourne

#83 Jul 9, 2013
Bitner wrote:
Oh, good grief! That'll teach me to be on the phone while typing. Apologies for the numerous errors in the above post.
*yawn*

You have no respect for life, of you can easily applaid a women killing the life inside her. That is not respecting life.

Hope you dont have any plans to get to Summerland as by supporting the geneocide of selfish immoralistic women choosing comfort over a young life you are just as guilty and the blood is on your hands too sister.

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