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Sweeping Anti-Abortion Bill Expected To Become Kan. Law

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Kansas legislators gave final passage to a sweeping anti-abortion measure Friday night, sending Gov.

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CBOW

Dover, PA

#471 Apr 19, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Have you stopped downloading kiddie porn?
Have you bareass?
CBOW

Dover, PA

#472 Apr 19, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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A zygote is a zygote.
It isn't a human being.
You are living proof.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#473 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Silly woman, I never referred to women as a cultural group. I do claim that their choices are effected by a cultural shift. Do you deny that most abortions are initiated by women younger than 29 years?
Of course you did, in this post....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"The cultural group would be the "future mothers" who choose the fate of their unborn."

What are "future mothers", if NOT women?

And you did it again in THIS one....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Sure it does apply, a cultural group is indeed killing off their offspring."

By the way, if the "cultural group" you MEANT, was fetuses, tell me how exactly they fit into this definition you gave....

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Culture refers to the cumulative deposit of knowledge, experience, beliefs, values, attitudes, meanings, hierarchies, religion, notions of ..."

Yet another post where you called them a cultural group, even if you didn't use that exact word.

The ages of the women are irrelevant. Age is ALSO not a "cultural group".

Words have meaning. If you can't use them properly and still make your argument work, then you don't have an argument at all.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#474 Apr 19, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you did, in this post....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"The cultural group would be the "future mothers" who choose the fate of their unborn."
What are "future mothers", if NOT women?
And you did it again in THIS one....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Sure it does apply, a cultural group is indeed killing off their offspring."
By the way, if the "cultural group" you MEANT, was fetuses, tell me how exactly they fit into this definition you gave....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Culture refers to the cumulative deposit of knowledge, experience, beliefs, values, attitudes, meanings, hierarchies, religion, notions of ..."
Yet another post where you called them a cultural group, even if you didn't use that exact word.
The ages of the women are irrelevant. Age is ALSO not a "cultural group".
Words have meaning. If you can't use them properly and still make your argument work, then you don't have an argument at all.
Do you deny that women under the age of 29 years are the "group" having the most abortions? Do you deny that there has been a cultural shift since abortion was legalized?
CBOW

Dover, PA

#475 Apr 19, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you did, in this post....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"The cultural group would be the "future mothers" who choose the fate of their unborn."
What are "future mothers", if NOT women?
And you did it again in THIS one....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Sure it does apply, a cultural group is indeed killing off their offspring."
By the way, if the "cultural group" you MEANT, was fetuses, tell me how exactly they fit into this definition you gave....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Culture refers to the cumulative deposit of knowledge, experience, beliefs, values, attitudes, meanings, hierarchies, religion, notions of ..."
Yet another post where you called them a cultural group, even if you didn't use that exact word.
The ages of the women are irrelevant. Age is ALSO not a "cultural group".
Words have meaning. If you can't use them properly and still make your argument work, then you don't have an argument at all.
When implementing prevention programs, it
is important to consider culture and
diversity, such as socioeconomic status, se
xuality, spirituality, ethnicity, and other
aspects. Culture involves every aspect of an
individual’s external and internal life. Many
definitions of culture exist. One way to
define culture is the knowledge, experience,
values, ideas, attitudes, skills, tastes, a
nd techniques that are passed on from more
experienced members of a community to new members. Carriers of culture include
families, religious organizations, peer groups
, neighbors, social groups, and professional
organizations. Some cultural experiences are
related to biological factors, such as
physical stature and skin color, while others ar
e related more to sociological factors, such
as socioeconomic status and religious affiliation. Drawing conclusions about a person
based on their external appearance can be
detrimental. There are many elements of
culture and diversity. According to Berkeley University. Since women are the only "group" who can conceive and deliver a child, they are a cultural group.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#476 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you deny that women under the age of 29 years are the "group" having the most abortions? Do you deny that there has been a cultural shift since abortion was legalized?
Your desperation is showing. Women are not a cultural group. Neither are fetuses. Way to avoid the question of how they fit into that definition, though the attempt to deflect is rather lame.

Since there is no "cultural group" attempting to eradicate another "cultural group", then there is NO genocide. Period.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#477 Apr 19, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you did, in this post....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"The cultural group would be the "future mothers" who choose the fate of their unborn."
What are "future mothers", if NOT women?
And you did it again in THIS one....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Sure it does apply, a cultural group is indeed killing off their offspring."
By the way, if the "cultural group" you MEANT, was fetuses, tell me how exactly they fit into this definition you gave....
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TI33...
"Culture refers to the cumulative deposit of knowledge, experience, beliefs, values, attitudes, meanings, hierarchies, religion, notions of ..."
Yet another post where you called them a cultural group, even if you didn't use that exact word.
The ages of the women are irrelevant. Age is ALSO not a "cultural group".
Words have meaning. If you can't use them properly and still make your argument work, then you don't have an argument at all.
Additionally, Some elements include:
Ð
Aesthetics (attitudes and behaviors rela
ted to literature, music, dance, art,
architecture, etc.)
Ð
Ceremony (what a person is to say and do on particular occasions)
Ð
Ethics (attitudes and behaviors related to
honesty, fairness, principles, etc.)
Ð
Health and Medicine (attitudes and behavior
s related to wellness, sickness, death,
etc.)
Ð
Folk Myths (attitudes and behaviors re
lated to heroes, traditions, legendary
characters, superstitions, etc.) Exercise care
in regard to what is a myth, what is a
superstition.
Ð
Gender Roles (attitudes and behaviors related
to expectations of people because of
their gender)
Ð
Gestures and Kinetics (forms of nonverbal
communication or reinforced speech, such
as the use of the eyes, the hands and the body)
Ð
Grooming and Presence (attitudes and behavi
ors related to physical appearance, such
as hairstyle, cosmetics, dress, etc.)
Ð
Ownership (attitudes and behaviors related
to property, individual rights, etc.)
Ð
Recreation (attitudes and behaviors related to
how people spend their leisure time)
Ð
Relationships (attitudes and behavior
s related to family and friends)
Ð
Religion and Spirituality (attitudes and behaviors related to spirituality, prayer,
purpose in life, the possibility
and type of afterlife, etc.)
Ð
Rewards and Privileges (attitudes and be
haviors related to motivation, merit,
achievement, service, etc.) These cultural diversities add to the choices "the group" makes regarding abortion. To say women who choose abortion are not a "cultural group" is disingenuous.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#478 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>When implementing prevention programs, it
is important to consider culture and
diversity, such as socioeconomic status, se
xuality, spirituality, ethnicity, and other
aspects. Culture involves every aspect of an
individual’s external and internal life. Many
definitions of culture exist. One way to
define culture is the knowledge, experience,
values, ideas, attitudes, skills, tastes, a
nd techniques that are passed on from more
experienced members of a community to new members. Carriers of culture include
families, religious organizations, peer groups
, neighbors, social groups, and professional
organizations. Some cultural experiences are
related to biological factors, such as
physical stature and skin color, while others ar
e related more to sociological factors, such
as socioeconomic status and religious affiliation. Drawing conclusions about a person
based on their external appearance can be
detrimental. There are many elements of
culture and diversity. According to Berkeley University. Since women are the only "group" who can conceive and deliver a child, they are a cultural group.
So you LIED when you said you weren't calling women a "cultural group". Got it. But no, they are not.

Still, even if they were, fetuses are also not a cultural group. And AS any kind of group, women are NOT attempting to eradicate fetuses. So, there is NO genocide.

Again, I have to ask, did you hurt yourself with all that twisting? Make yourself dizzy with all that spin?

When you have to twist the meaning of words to make your argument work, it's not a real argument.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#479 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Additionally, Some elements include:
Ð
Aesthetics (attitudes and behaviors rela
ted to literature, music, dance, art,
architecture, etc.)
Ð
Ceremony (what a person is to say and do on particular occasions)
Ð
Ethics (attitudes and behaviors related to
honesty, fairness, principles, etc.)
Ð
Health and Medicine (attitudes and behavior
s related to wellness, sickness, death,
etc.)
Ð
Folk Myths (attitudes and behaviors re
lated to heroes, traditions, legendary
characters, superstitions, etc.) Exercise care
in regard to what is a myth, what is a
superstition.
Ð
Gender Roles (attitudes and behaviors related
to expectations of people because of
their gender)
Ð
Gestures and Kinetics (forms of nonverbal
communication or reinforced speech, such
as the use of the eyes, the hands and the body)
Ð
Grooming and Presence (attitudes and behavi
ors related to physical appearance, such
as hairstyle, cosmetics, dress, etc.)
Ð
Ownership (attitudes and behaviors related
to property, individual rights, etc.)
Ð
Recreation (attitudes and behaviors related to
how people spend their leisure time)
Ð
Relationships (attitudes and behavior
s related to family and friends)
Ð
Religion and Spirituality (attitudes and behaviors related to spirituality, prayer,
purpose in life, the possibility
and type of afterlife, etc.)
Ð
Rewards and Privileges (attitudes and be
haviors related to motivation, merit,
achievement, service, etc.) These cultural diversities add to the choices "the group" makes regarding abortion. To say women who choose abortion are not a "cultural group" is disingenuous.
LOL, your desperation is palpable.

Abortion is not genocide. It's that simple. And no twist on your part will change that.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#480 Apr 19, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, your desperation is palpable.
Abortion is not genocide. It's that simple. And no twist on your part will change that.
In the cultural mindset, abortion is most definitely genocide. It takes a certain mindset in a woman, due to cultural, spiritual (or lack thereof) and or socio-economic circumstances to choose abortion rather than to deliver. A specific group of infants is exterminated. Margaret Sanger your mentor and god, laid down that format. "At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.

Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."

Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted. Is that not a cultural group? Your organization has not strayed far from it's roots, bitter. You pretend that abortion is a "choice" when in fact it is merely an option, a culturally promoted option.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#481 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
In the cultural mindset, abortion is most definitely genocide. It takes a certain mindset in a woman, due to cultural, spiritual (or lack thereof) and or socio-economic circumstances to choose abortion rather than to deliver. A specific group of infants is exterminated. Margaret Sanger your mentor and god, laid down that format. "At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood.
Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South."
Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted. Is that not a cultural group? Your organization has not strayed far from it's roots, bitter. You pretend that abortion is a "choice" when in fact it is merely an option, a culturally promoted option.
No, abortion is not genocide. Well, except to people like you, who must twist the meaning of words in a lame attempt to validate an invalid objection.

Sanger was against abortion. Yes, she was an advocate of Eugenics. So were many, many, many other people at that time. You ever drive a Ford? Saying abortion is genocide just because the founder of PP (who hated abortion and promoted birth control) was racist, is like saying any current driver of a Ford car is racist because Henry Ford ALSO advocated Eugenics.

"My" organization? LOL, nonsense. I have nothing to do with Planned Parenthood.

I call Godwin's Law. You lose.

Your desperation is the saddest thing of all.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#482 Apr 19, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
No, abortion is not genocide. Well, except to people like you, who must twist the meaning of words in a lame attempt to validate an invalid objection.
Sanger was against abortion. Yes, she was an advocate of Eugenics. So were many, many, many other people at that time. You ever drive a Ford? Saying abortion is genocide just because the founder of PP (who hated abortion and promoted birth control) was racist, is like saying any current driver of a Ford car is racist because Henry Ford ALSO advocated Eugenics.
"My" organization? LOL, nonsense. I have nothing to do with Planned Parenthood.
I call Godwin's Law. You lose.
Your desperation is the saddest thing of all.
And your statement was that women are not a cultural group when they pursue a legalized option that is culturally acceptable? Eugenics is the applied science of the bio-social movement which advocates practices to improve the genetic composition of a population, usually a human population. It is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human hereditary traits through the promotion of higher reproduction of more desired people and traits, and reduced reproduction of less desired people and traits.The way eugenics was practiced in this period involved "interventions", which is a euphemistic name for the identification and classification of individuals and their families, including the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals and entire racial groups — such as the Roma and Jews — as "degenerate" or "unfit"; the segregation or institutionalization of such individuals and groups, their sterilization, euthanasia, and in the case of Nazi Germany, their mass extermination. To say that genocide and eugenics aren't related is false. Only recently has Margaret Sanger been sanctified that she hated abortion. She believed it to be a means to an end. Her and her board were embracing genocide through eugenics, and planned parenthood and all who support pro-choice (pro-abortion) serve under that mindset.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#483 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
And your statement was that women are not a cultural group when they pursue a legalized option that is culturally acceptable? Eugenics is the applied science of the bio-social movement which advocates practices to improve the genetic composition of a population, usually a human population. It is a social philosophy advocating the improvement of human hereditary traits through the promotion of higher reproduction of more desired people and traits, and reduced reproduction of less desired people and traits.The way eugenics was practiced in this period involved "interventions", which is a euphemistic name for the identification and classification of individuals and their families, including the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals and entire racial groups — such as the Roma and Jews — as "degenerate" or "unfit"; the segregation or institutionalization of such individuals and groups, their sterilization, euthanasia, and in the case of Nazi Germany, their mass extermination. To say that genocide and eugenics aren't related is false. Only recently has Margaret Sanger been sanctified that she hated abortion. She believed it to be a means to an end. Her and her board were embracing genocide through eugenics, and planned parenthood and all who support pro-choice (pro-abortion) serve under that mindset.
Your last statement is pure rhetoric, untrue in the extreme.

By the way, I NEVER said eugenics and genocide aren't related.

I DID say that abortion is not genocide, and it's not. No matter how you attempt to twist the English language, it's not.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#484 Apr 19, 2013
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
Your last statement is pure rhetoric, untrue in the extreme.
By the way, I NEVER said eugenics and genocide aren't related.
I DID say that abortion is not genocide, and it's not. No matter how you attempt to twist the English language, it's not.
Or course genocide and eugenics are related. Both are required in formulating a decision of who is not worthy of life.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#485 Apr 19, 2013
While some eugenicists privately supported practices such as euthanasia or even genocide, legally-mandated sterilization was the most radical policy supported by the American eugenics movement. A number of American physicians performed sterilizations even before the surgery was legally approved, though no reliable accounting of the practice exists prior to passage of sterilization laws. Indiana enacted the first law allowing sterilization on eugenic grounds in 1907, with Connecticut following soon after. Despite these early statutes, sterilization did not gain widespread popular approval until the late 1920s.

Advocacy in favor of sterilization was one of Harry Laughlin’s first major projects at the Eugenics Record Office. In 1914, he published a Model Eugenical Sterilization Law that proposed to authorize sterilization of the "socially inadequate" – people supported in institutions or "maintained wholly or in part by public expense. The law encompassed the "feeble-minded, insane, criminalistic, epileptic, inebriate, diseased, blind, deaf; deformed; and dependent" – including "orphans, ne'er-do-wells, tramps, the homeless and paupers." By the time the Model Law was published in 1914, twelve states had enacted sterilization laws. Abortion has become the acceptable form of controlling the undesirable masses, there is no victim alive to come back to sue, unlike the sterilization practices.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#486 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Or course genocide and eugenics are related. Both are required in formulating a decision of who is not worthy of life.
Since, once again, I never said they are not related, your point is moot.

And the fact remains that abortion is not genocide, no matter how much you want to assert that it is.

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#487 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
Do you deny that most abortions are initiated by women younger than 29 years?
GOSH!

You are a genius!

And one step further: most are initiated by WOMEN!

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#488 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Have you bareass?
You are tying up all the servers, azzwipe.

I guess you think you get to ask the loaded questions.

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#489 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Additionally, Some elements include:
wow, you really know how to handle copy & pastes!

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#490 Apr 19, 2013
CBOW wrote:
While some eugenicists
oh boy! more plagiarized copy & pastes!

He's a real wit!

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