With deficit negotiations at an impas...

With deficit negotiations at an impasse, Obama offers Republicans a 'grand bargain' on jobs

There are 143 comments on the Brandon Sun story from Jul 30, 2013, titled With deficit negotiations at an impasse, Obama offers Republicans a 'grand bargain' on jobs. In it, Brandon Sun reports that:

President Barack Obama is extending a new proposal to Republicans that he hopes will break the political gridlock on budget negotiations, offering to cut corporate tax rates in exchange for job investments.

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chisholm

Columbus, OH

#56 Jul 31, 2013
I'd support cutting corporate rates - IF loopholes are closed and they actually PAY their taxes. I wouldn't have any problem with a 20% rate and no loopholes.

But it's clear the Party of No won't support ANYTHING which increases revenue or which makes Obama look good in any way - no matter what it does or doesn't do for America.

They literally prefer political games to economic recovery. It's time people realized who the REAL enemy is in Congress, and it's not the Democrats.

Despicable.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#57 Jul 31, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Voting for a 3rd party candidate is the same as not voting. It ensures you give up your right to influence the outcome of the election.
You can feel free to waste your vote on a candidate with no chance of ever being elected; that essentially gives me two votes for the Dem of my choice.
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this. NO serious vote for the candidate of your choice is ever wasted, in fact voting for a candidate as the 'lesser of two evils' is really a far more wasted vote. It merely perpetuates the system of bad and worse that we've already got.

Democracy is not dualistic or reliant on two and only two parties in order to operate. In fact our Founders originally opposed political parties, having seen the nastiness they caused in Britain.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#58 Jul 31, 2013
Space Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No you're not.
A "Left-Leaning Conservative" is an oxy-moron.
You are a RINO, whether you want to admit it or not.
Even worse, you are a Progressive Republican.
In fact many Republicans used to be center or moderately liberal. I grew up when many of them were in office, people like Percy in Illinois and Chafee in R.I., not to mention Rockefeller in NY. In fact in the '60s there were about as many far right Dems (Dixiecrats from the South) as far right Republicans, it seemed.

You, clearly, are one of the right wing extremists he's talking about who've taken over the GOP and turned it into the Crazy Party.

You should form your own party, not foul up an existing and once-reasonable one. Oh, but that would take WORK, wouldn't it?
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#59 Jul 31, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>But, what happens when both the RINO's and Dems are controlled by the same corporate interests?
Will you take a stand, or, vote for a Dem?
I hate to tell you, but that's been true for a long time...:)

Myself, I've usually voted Dem, but have rebelled a couple of times. In 1980 I voted for Anderson, and in 2004 I voted for Nader. Probably should've voted Green Party this last election, too, given Obama's Bush-lite Presidency.

“Baby Obama”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#60 Jul 31, 2013
Center-Left Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
This is still a free country and do have the right to define what I am politically. I’m sorry that I don’t fit into your little mold of how you think I should be but you are exactly why the Republican Party will continue to lose. Because the big tent isn’t accepted by zealots like you and when you push enough of us away you’ll then realize that you are standing alone. Ronald Reagan’s views are more in line with mine than they are with the people who currently control the GOP. Reagan compromised, and in the end the people loved him and the country was better off because of it. The American people now see the Republicans as the problem and Obama as the one looking to compromise, that’s why the republican-led Congress has an approval rating in the teens and the President sits close to 50%.
I’m not full of hate, and I love my country and even though I don’t agree with the current President I want him to do a good job so that the country does well; can you honestly say the same thing?
"This is still a free country and do have the right to define what I am politically. I’m sorry that I don’t fit into your little mold of how you think I should be but you are exactly why the Republican Party will continue to lose."

Wow, that's exactly something Matthews, Madow, Axelrod, or any good Progressive would say. "Just move to the Left" "Everyone will love You" That's Horseshit.

"Ronald Reagan’s views are more in line with mine"

Maybe John McCain but Reagan, I doubt it.

"The American people now see the Republicans as the problem and Obama as the one looking to compromise, that’s why the republican-led Congress has an approval rating in the teens and the President sits close to 50%."

That's because of a complicit media and RINO Republicans like yourself.

I’m not full of hate, and I love my country and even though I don’t agree with the current President I want him to do a good job so that the country does well; can you honestly say the same thing?

Nor am I. I want what best for the Republic. I don't agree with the Dear Leader, and yes, I would like him to do what's best for America, but he's not going to. EVER!

I want him arrested, tried and convicted for his treasonous activities. Such as Benghazi, Fast & Furiuos, IRS, NSA. And that's just the crap we know about.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#61 Jul 31, 2013
Eleanor wrote:
Cutting corporate taxes to REDUCE the deficit???
That's like cutting one's paycheck and believing one's debt will magically get reduced.
Sure, a few more people will get hired, but low-end taxpayers don't contribute anywhere near what the corporations pay!!
Obama offering the GRAND BARGAIN to big business.
So, in other words, Obama wants to balance the budget on the BACKS of workers !!!
Did you read the proposal? Did you understand what those pay for in the end and how many loop holes are stopped? Did you even bother to check out the facts on this before jumping on the perpetual uninformed right wing bandwagon?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#62 Jul 31, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
But, what happens when both the RINO's and Dems are controlled by the same corporate interests?
Will you take a stand, or, vote for a Dem?
Any dem who has been pro-corporate has been targeted by the democratic party....so that doesn't happen often.

What is the right wing going to do about all their felons they elected who continue to rob the poor to pay for the rich in the military industrial complex stocks and dividends? What you are you going to do to get rid of the corporate bought republicans?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#63 Jul 31, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
And that right there is the lie people have accepted by both the DNC and RNC.
This belief that you only can pick between the 2. It is completely false. Or the belief that if you do not pick either of the 2, you in essence "WASTE" your vote.
And to help facilitate this lie, is the media. The media who is influenced by both Republicans and Democrats facilitate in the duopoly they have created. The media, DNC, and RNC have manipulated the people into that very lie.
For instance, when was the last time you saw anyone other than a R or D in a debate? Answer: Ross Perot.
Well what happened? The Commission on Presidential Debates changed the rules to not allow any other participants other than the D or R. Why? Look at who founded the commission. Former chair of the DNC and former chair of the RNC.
Well, it is time to wake up now. This very idea that you have to pick between the 2 is a lie. You do not have too. And throwing support behind a person because of the party affiliation is just ignorant. Not only do you do yourself an injustice, but the rest of society as well. And that goes to all that do the same thing.
I personally like Gerald Celente's motto: "Think for yourself."
Doesn't change the simple fact that we have a defacto 2 party system and any vote for a 3rd party candidate is a wasted vote. You might as well have stayed home on election day.

Nothing is stopping 3rd party candidates from debating each other.

Remind us again how many electoral votes Perot got?

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#64 Jul 31, 2013
Kahoki wrote:
<quoted text>
And that right there is the lie people have accepted by both the DNC and RNC.
This belief that you only can pick between the 2. It is completely false. Or the belief that if you do not pick either of the 2, you in essence "WASTE" your vote.
And to help facilitate this lie, is the media. The media who is influenced by both Republicans and Democrats facilitate in the duopoly they have created. The media, DNC, and RNC have manipulated the people into that very lie.
For instance, when was the last time you saw anyone other than a R or D in a debate? Answer: Ross Perot.
Well what happened? The Commission on Presidential Debates changed the rules to not allow any other participants other than the D or R. Why? Look at who founded the commission. Former chair of the DNC and former chair of the RNC.
Well, it is time to wake up now. This very idea that you have to pick between the 2 is a lie. You do not have too. And throwing support behind a person because of the party affiliation is just ignorant. Not only do you do yourself an injustice, but the rest of society as well. And that goes to all that do the same thing.
I personally like Gerald Celente's motto: "Think for yourself."
You twisted his comment a bit, didn't you? He's right...to vote 3rd party in the national election in fact gives one or the other party your vote, depending on the candidate. But to encourage a 3rd party in local elections..then state, creates a measure of the party that can be seen nationally

“Open your eyes”

Since: Sep 09

Central Florida

#65 Jul 31, 2013
chisholm wrote:
<quoted text>
I hate to tell you, but that's been true for a long time...:)
Myself, I've usually voted Dem, but have rebelled a couple of times. In 1980 I voted for Anderson, and in 2004 I voted for Nader. Probably should've voted Green Party this last election, too, given Obama's Bush-lite Presidency.
As soon as I turned 18 in 1993 I started this whole Republican across the board only.

It was Bush's 2nd term that woke me up to the staged BS.

Really? The best we could come up with was Baby Boy Bush or John Kerry? Really? Out of a nation of 300M+, the 2 best and brightest were Kerry and Bush? F that.

After that I pretty much siad screw it, went back to sleep. But in 2008 I woke up again. Not sure what did it, it just happened.

And I was on board with the Obama train when it first started, but, I QUICKLY realized it was all one in the same. Obama or McLame, didn't matter. It's still baby Boy Bush. That is when I started to truly pay attention and I started to pick up some history books.

For those who do not remember history are deemed to repeat it.

And what is happening now is exactly what happened prior to WW2 and WW1. Economic collapse after a bubble, depression, currency wars, trade wars, world war. Currency and trade wars are going on right now.

Build up for an invasion of Iran under false pretenses will trigger the world war. Because China and Russia will not just sit back and let the US invade Iran.

But you compare our action now to the actions of the US against Japan in the 1930's. They are basically identical.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#66 Jul 31, 2013
Space Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No you're not.
A "Left-Leaning Conservative" is an oxy-moron.
You are a RINO, whether you want to admit it or not.
Even worse, you are a Progressive Republican.
You must be a tea bagger...your nonacceptance of the spectrum of voters in your party suggests you have the "AMerican Exceptionalism" syndrome.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#67 Jul 31, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Voting for a 3rd party candidate is the same as not voting. It ensures you give up your right to influence the outcome of the election.
You can feel free to waste your vote on a candidate with no chance of ever being elected; that essentially gives me two votes for the Dem of my choice.
We have been saying that for so long now that this nation is at a crossroads. And has been. We are told who the best candidate is by the elitists or like a candidate by ethnic, cultural, gender and anything that comes from a group we are in. In 2010 the fledgling tea party usurped by the elitists several months into forming had candidates not backed by the elitists and many were destroyed by the old guard Repubs and the progressive Dems. There were many false tea party people inserted and elected in 2010. It is easy to destroy someone. Really. Make fun of a candidate. Call him and her names and slander them or bring things up from their past that we all may have in this insane world. of course what is in Washington has the same faults and is worse. But they vote the way the elitists want them. The wheels are greased to be easier in that direction.

“Baby Obama”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#68 Jul 31, 2013
chisholm wrote:
<quoted text>
I hate to tell you, but that's been true for a long time...:)
Myself, I've usually voted Dem, but have rebelled a couple of times. In 1980 I voted for Anderson, and in 2004 I voted for Nader. Probably should've voted Green Party this last election, too, given Obama's Bush-lite Presidency.
"Myself, I've usually voted Dem, but have rebelled a couple of times. In 1980 I voted for Anderson, and in 2004 I voted for Nader. Probably should've voted Green Party this last election, too, given Obama's Bush-lite Presidency"

Wow you are a rebel, you're like a mad-man. Watch out for this one.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#69 Jul 31, 2013
Space Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
"This is still a free country and do have the right to define what I am politically. I’m sorry that I don’t fit into your little mold of how you think I should be but you are exactly why the Republican Party will continue to lose."
Wow, that's exactly something Matthews, Madow, Axelrod, or any good Progressive would say. "Just move to the Left" "Everyone will love You" That's Horseshit.
"Ronald Reagan’s views are more in line with mine"
Maybe John McCain but Reagan, I doubt it.
"The American people now see the Republicans as the problem and Obama as the one looking to compromise, that’s why the republican-led Congress has an approval rating in the teens and the President sits close to 50%."
That's because of a complicit media and RINO Republicans like yourself.
I’m not full of hate, and I love my country and even though I don’t agree with the current President I want him to do a good job so that the country does well; can you honestly say the same thing?
Nor am I. I want what best for the Republic. I don't agree with the Dear Leader, and yes, I would like him to do what's best for America, but he's not going to. EVER!
I want him arrested, tried and convicted for his treasonous activities. Such as Benghazi, Fast & Furiuos, IRS, NSA. And that's just the crap we know about.
Your post doesn't make sense. You say it's a free country, but try to shout down a fellow Republican who happens to disagree with you. You say you're not full of hate, but your every post suggests the opposite. You claim you want the President to succeed, but attack him constantly even with your ID picture, and claim he's "treasonous" and should be "arrested, tried and convicted."

Just bizarre, as is your claim that he's somehow reponsible for all the wrongdoings you list. Totally bizarre and disingenuous.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#70 Jul 31, 2013
Let's see:

Benghazi - failure of State Dept. to sufficiently guard consulate, Obama "guilty" only of misidentifying the cause of the attack

Fast & Furiuos - based on previous Bush era programs and run out of ATF office in Arizona, not even the Justice Dept. much less Obama

IRS - No real scandal at all, and targetting of groups was done by IRS, not Obama

NSA - Most closely connected to Obama, but no evidence of illegality, just an ongoing spy program going back to Bush's administration

Wow, not seeing a lot of impeachable offenses there, sorry..:)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#71 Jul 31, 2013
chisholm wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this. NO serious vote for the candidate of your choice is ever wasted, in fact voting for a candidate as the 'lesser of two evils' is really a far more wasted vote. It merely perpetuates the system of bad and worse that we've already got.
Democracy is not dualistic or reliant on two and only two parties in order to operate. In fact our Founders originally opposed political parties, having seen the nastiness they caused in Britain.
And yet we have a defacto 2-party system.

You may be willing to allow the GOPasaurs to nominate the next 3 or 4 SCOTUS justices, but I am NOT.

The last 3rd party candidate elected was Abraham Lincoln, and even then the Republican party was already basically taking over as the 2nd party from the collapsing Whig party 2 election cycles before his 1960 election.

No, I will not allow the GOPasaurs to nominate the next 3 or 4 SCOTUS justices.

“Baby Obama”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#72 Jul 31, 2013
Cookie_Parker wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you read the proposal? Did you understand what those pay for in the end and how many loop holes are stopped? Did you even bother to check out the facts on this before jumping on the perpetual uninformed right wing bandwagon?
Don't have to...

If Obama's is for it.

We on the right are against it.

Obama's a no-good, ANTI-CONSTITUTION, Marxist, scumbag, piece if sh*t.

And that's me being nice
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#73 Jul 31, 2013
Why haven't Repubs called for impeachment of Obama yet, or tried to push it through the House?

I suspect that even they know this is a) completely wrong and baseless, and b) more destructively divisive, and likely to result in a worse blowback, than even they're willing to accept.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#74 Jul 31, 2013
Space Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
"Myself, I've usually voted Dem, but have rebelled a couple of times. In 1980 I voted for Anderson, and in 2004 I voted for Nader. Probably should've voted Green Party this last election, too, given Obama's Bush-lite Presidency"
Wow you are a rebel, you're like a mad-man. Watch out for this one.
At least I do something beside squalling like an infant on political boards, lemming.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#75 Jul 31, 2013
Space Cowboy wrote:
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I want him arrested, tried and convicted for his treasonous activities. Such as Benghazi, Fast & Furiuos, IRS, NSA. And that's just the crap we know about.
And I want a million dollars.......

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