Amendment on the Way? Anti-Gay Lawmak...

Amendment on the Way? Anti-Gay Lawmaker Takes Fresh Aim at Same Sex Families

There are 133 comments on the EDGE story from Jun 28, 2013, titled Amendment on the Way? Anti-Gay Lawmaker Takes Fresh Aim at Same Sex Families. In it, EDGE reports that:

Conservatives may have lost a fight, but they don't think the battle over marriage is done.

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#67 Jun 28, 2013
freethinker1957 wrote:
Right now the American Psychiatric association is on the verge of declassifying pedifile as a mential disorder. just as they did with homosexual in 1973. in 1998 a paper was issued saying that effect on children by pedifiles is overstated. pedifile are pushing to be called miner additied adults. they are saying that they are born that way and science is starting to agree. they are describing it as a sexual orientation. in Holland where did this started. they are calling for group marriage. all of this is parilating to the letter the homosexual movement of the 70`s. in fact the pedifiles have credited homosexual for showing them the path.mark my by 2050 we will case before the court on this issue to giveing pedifiles the right to marry. if you think this unlikely that people where saying about homosexual in 1970. and owe it all to libral ideal of me!me!me! and the hell with everybody else
Your argument might come across as being slightly better informed if your post didn't make it look like my spell check hadn't thrown up by quoting your post. The illness is called pedophilia and those with it, pedophiles. The way you are spelling it makes it sound like you are worried about the mental health of foot scrapers. Despite your badly informed and spelled fears, no, the APA is not on the verge of declassifying pedophilia. There is no science which would support such a conclusion. They are looking at how it is defined, not taking it out. When it comes to the declassification of homosexuality, whether you like it or not, the science supports it. Being homosexual is no more a form of mental illness than being heterosexual. Although I've read a great deal of evidence that being heterosexual can be a learning disorder.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#68 Jun 28, 2013
Europa Report wrote:
Adults can still marry 14 year olds in some states. New York is one of them I think. I remember in the 1980's when the legislature LOWERED the legal age to be married.(You think common sense would have dictated that the legislature RAISE the minimum marriage age).
http://www.usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_s...
When New Hampshire passed same sex marriage, the minimum age was set at 18, with no provision for parental consent in the case of minors AND the proviso that the minimum age for opposite sex marriage would remain at 16, if you're into boys and 14 to thank heaven for a little girl. With the requisite parental consent of course. Of course WE were still the ones they needed to be worried about around their kids.

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#69 Jun 28, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Your argument might come across as being slightly better informed if your post didn't make it look like my spell check hadn't thrown up by quoting your post. The illness is called pedophilia and those with it, pedophiles. The way you are spelling it makes it sound like you are worried about the mental health of foot scrapers. Despite your badly informed and spelled fears, no, the APA is not on the verge of declassifying pedophilia. There is no science which would support such a conclusion. They are looking at how it is defined, not taking it out. When it comes to the declassification of homosexuality, whether you like it or not, the science supports it. Being homosexual is no more a form of mental illness than being heterosexual. Although I've read a great deal of evidence that being heterosexual can be a learning disorder.
rather amusing reply....... <g>

“All power to the people.”

Since: Mar 07

San Diego, CA

#70 Jun 28, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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So you think DOMA was created to prevent homosexuals from marrying? Nope, it was created in order to define what marriage encompasses. How do you feel about bygamy, how about incest, and pedophilia? The door has been kicked open to allow ALL forms of "marriage", even ones that might upset your apple cart. That's not bigotry, that's hindsight used as foresight.
Definitely a nut job.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#71 Jun 28, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Yet in 2013, you believe it's STILL OK to sexually exploit a 14 yr old!!!
If you are poorly hung can you name a better age to hit on?

Just think about it. It could be the largest she has ever seen.

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#72 Jun 29, 2013
CBOW wrote:
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Question...why did your kind highjack the rainbow? I used to love rainbows, now they just symbolize a group that has this narcissistic need to be recognized. I guess I'll have to promote a symbol of heterosexualism that all of my kind can agree upon. mmmm
Ahhh when it rains, and after the rain, do you look around and sometimes see a RAINBOW? Why yes you do. It is still there! SURPRISE!
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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#74 Jun 29, 2013
It st occurred tome that for a long time most anti-gays were using the "States Rights" argument about marriage.

Guess now they've decided marriage IS a "federal question". What they FORGET is marriage is already covered under Amendment 9.

If they pass this it's going to contradict many parts of the Constitution.

When we pass laws it's important to make sure we know have we will implement and enforce them without violating other laws.

Look what we are seeing with the current religious freedom/religious discrimination cases.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#75 Jun 29, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Yet in 2013, you believe it's STILL OK to sexually exploit a 14 yr old!!!
wrong. But it's legal for you in many places so why are you complaining to me about it?

Marriage Laws of the states:
http://www.usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_s...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#76 Jun 29, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Yet in 2013, you believe it's STILL OK to sexually exploit a 14 yr old!!!
BTW I've been meaning to ask if anyone knows what this amendment defines "woman" as far as age is concerned. And does the woman have to be fertile?

Believe it or not I just read a story about a woman in GA who just discovered her birth certificate lists her as female. It wasn't until she produced her son' birth certificate with her name as the mother did the State of GA recognize her as "female"!

Mother told to PROVE she is a woman because birth certificate mistakenly listed her as a man!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23481...

“Building Better Worlds”

Since: May 13

Europa

#77 Jun 29, 2013
DNF wrote:
It st occurred tome that for a long time most anti-gays were using the "States Rights" argument about marriage.
Guess now they've decided marriage IS a "federal question". What they FORGET is marriage is already covered under Amendment 9.
If they pass this it's going to contradict many parts of the Constitution.
When we pass laws it's important to make sure we know have we will implement and enforce them without violating other laws.
Look what we are seeing with the current religious freedom/religious discrimination cases.
I agree.(aren't you LUCKY I do !:))
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Since: Mar 09

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#79 Jun 29, 2013
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>BTW I've been meaning to ask if anyone knows what this amendment defines "woman" as far as age is concerned. And does the woman have to be fertile?
Believe it or not I just read a story about a woman in GA who just discovered her birth certificate lists her as female. It wasn't until she produced her son' birth certificate with her name as the mother did the State of GA recognize her as "female"!
Mother told to PROVE she is a woman because birth certificate mistakenly listed her as a man!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-23481...
Hon ... it's the SOUTH.
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Since: Mar 09

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#82 Jun 30, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Never seen a single state where it's legal for an adult to have sec with a 14 year old. Just another Queer lie.
I personally know of a legal marriage between a 25yo and a 15yo.

It didn't last. The girl grew up.

Since: Mar 09

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#83 Jun 30, 2013
It's WAAAAAY off topic, but ...

States that allow marriage as young as 14:

Alabama

If either of you are under eighteen (18), you will need a certified copy of your birth certificate. Both parents must be present with identification, or if you have a legal guardian they must be present with a court order and identification. The state requires a $200 bond to be executed, payable to the State of Alabama. If one or both parents are deceased, proper evidence of such must be provided. Individuals under the age of 14 may not marry

Kansas

The minimum age to get married is 15 in Kansas. This legislation can be waived only by a district court judge who thinks that getting married at such a young age would be in that individual's best interest.

Michigan

If you are 16 or 17 years old, you can get married with written parental consent. If you are 15 or younger, you will need both parental consent and the approval of the probate court.

Missouri

If you are under 18 years old, you must have parental consent. Anyone under the age of 15 must have the approval of a county judge to receive a marriage license.

New Hampshire

The law is complicated in New Hampshire. Individuals under the age of 18 may not marry in New Hampshire without parental approval and a judicial waiver. Brides must be at least 13 years of age and grooms must be at least 14 years of age before their parents can apply for a judicial waiver.

New York

If you are 16 or 17 years of age, you will need to have a completed parental consent form filled out by both parents. If you are either 14 or 15 years of age, you will need to show the written consent of both parents and a justice of the Supreme Court or a judge of the local Family Court.

North Carolina

Anyone under 20 years of age will need to show a certified copy of their birth certificate. If you are between 16 and 17 years old, you will have to show parental consent. Those who are 14 to 15 years old, you can't get a marriage license without a court order. Anyone under 14 years of age cannot get married.

South Carolina

If you are under 18, you will need a certified copy of your birth certificate and a notarized statement of parental consent. The minimum age for a female is 14 and it is 16 for a male.

Utah

If you are 16-17 yearsof age, you will need parental consent to apply for a marriage license. If you are 15 years of age, you will need not only parental consent, but also the consent from the Juvenile Court.

Source: http://www.usmarriagelaws.com/search/united_s...
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Since: Mar 09

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#87 Jun 30, 2013
The shockers for me were Massachusetts and Kansas where females may marry at age 12, with New Hampshire and Texas next at 13, and South Carolina at 14 ... or earlier if pregnant.

California surprised me, at first, by having NO age restrictions specific to the Marriage Statutes, but they cover them in other Statute categories.

Since: Mar 09

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#88 Jun 30, 2013
Can we get back on the TOPIC now?

Since: Mar 09

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#89 Jun 30, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Key word, parents MUST be there and give permission. A 14 yr old cannot consent on their own.
That did not appear to be the point of the discussion ... which is off-topic anyway.

Since: Mar 09

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#90 Jun 30, 2013
Your work is done here, "The Troll Stopper".

You've derailed another one of our topics.
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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#92 Jun 30, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
Key word, parents MUST be there and give permission. A 14 yr old cannot consent on their own.
Sweetie, you're making malinformed pronouncements from on high again, just as you did when you claimed that NO state allowed a 14 year-old to legally consent to sex with an 18 year-old. You're only embarrassing yourself. A number of states have exemptions to those parental consent MUSTS that you can drive a pregnant teenager through. Look them up. Our states have set up a web of parental and judicial consents, requirements and certain exceptions, but when you get right down to it, what the law actually says it will permit to happen if you can navigate that web without going to jail first, really, really creepy. Most of these laws were written before the movement to raise the age of consensual sex took off and had been originally written to reflect what was then legal consent. The more you know.....
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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

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#94 Jun 30, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
I like the way you lying Queers twist and manipulate the truth. There's exemptions to every rule under certain circumstances but we're talking about any normal 14 yr old or younger, cannot with their own consent marry or have legal sex with a legal adult. You're embarrassing yourself Queer. Get the facts before opening your d!cklicker.
You aren't particularly good at denial sweetie, you're coming across as childish and petulant. The reality that you will go down screaming against is that the facts are on our side. There are state laws which permit a legal adult to marry a minor and have consensual sex with them, even though they are years away from being legally permitted to consent to sex period. There are even laws which disregard the fact that you had already had illegal sex with said minor and to marry them WITHOUT even bothering with said minor's parent's consent, you usually need to knock them up or were knocked up by them. There may be all sorts of hoops you have to jump through to get there designed to discourage it, but the law still allows you a way of making it.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#95 Jun 30, 2013
The Troll Stopper wrote:
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Never seen a single state where it's legal for an adult to have sec with a 14 year old. Just another Queer lie.
You are lying. I haven't endorsed sex with minors but in many states it's legal if they are married.!

Since you refuse to read the link I provided, which PROVES heterosexuals think it's ok for an adult to have sex with someone under 18 then I'll post it here for you.

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