Boehner Attacks Senate 'Arrogance' as Deadline Approaches

Sep 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Wall Street Journal

House Speaker John Boehner issued a statement blasting Democrats for not reconvening the Senate sooner, in the latest round of recriminations over a rapidly approaching government shutdown.

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Oh, I don't know. the President, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have said time and again that they will not negotiate with Republicans over Obamacare... So, the three of them are living in a make believe world? I'll buy that.
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Republicans’ refusal to negotiate is what got us into this mess. Taking the budget hostage and demanding having their way as ransom not to destroy America is their latest tactic. Asking harry Reid to pay the ransom is not a legitimate form of negotiation. It’s demanding a ransom not to destroy America! I honestly believe that they do not have the mental capability understand that distinction or the ethical will to behave honorably.

Frankly, President Obama made a major concession to the Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) by including private insurance companies rather than going with single-payer universal health care. The Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) want nothing to change so they can keep bilking the public (including the majority of people that they’ve stirred into a hate President Obama frenzy) to pay their executives (and, of course, certain politicians) while falling short in regard to paying health benefits.

Everyone will love Obama Care once they experience its reality rather than believing everything Faux Views reports. Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) know that and they’re now in panic mode. It’s not a pretty picture.
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And here's the other thing:
There's a difference between healthcare coverage and point of service healthcare. Just because Obama & Co believe (wrongly) that you have a right to coverage doesn't mean you are going to have a right to the quality healthcare EVERYONE has access to right now either through private insurance, a government program, or just showing up to an ER if you don't have coverage. You get quality care.
Doctors do not have to take insurance packages sold through Obamacare exchanges. and many of them won't.
Yes, there is another thing indeed. If you think the old system provides “quality healthcare” that "EVERYONE has access to right now,” you’re going to love Obama Care (along with everyone else) because it provides more care for more people for a lower price.

Only one thing would be even better — single-payer universal health care.

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What kind of government would that be? It would be the Constitutional Republic that the Founding Fathers created.
Separation of powers. A government that is supposed to represent the will of the People, not the will of a President or the will of one house of government over the other. They set up a system that allowed for exactly what is happening, knowing full well that it would often get loud, messy, acrimonious and often take years, not weeks or months, to occasionally get things done.
Funny you should mention the will of one house of government over the other, seeing that is exactly what is happening right now no? I think you need a lesson in how bills are passed or not.

I personally like this rendition of explanation of how bills are passed or not as it just so simple and to the point. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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<quoted text> The House of Representatives are, at the moment, reflecting the will of the American People, the majority of whom don't want the ACA. That's enshrined in the Constitution, because they are supposed to represent us.


You do understand that nearly half of those that don't like the bill is because they feel that it doesn't go far enough, that they wanted a single payer system.

So am I to believe that you want a real government take over of health care with a single payer system?
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<quoted text> This bill was passed using every dirty trick in the book. This bill was passed without anyone, including all of our elected officials, having even the slightest idea what was in it. "Let's pass it so we


You can't be serious, the law was printed or on the net for all to read, it wasn't a "pass it so we can see" law. Sorry it wasn't a Republican Mitt Romney Tax Plan.
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<quoted text> I would further point out that "compromise" is achieved when all parties meet and bend a little
Well, I think your post and clear intentions of those Republicans in congress there is only one thing they believe in and that is repealing the law. So they can't take the whole thing down at once so they want to take bites out of it, delay it, take parts of it out and then hope to repeal it when they have the numbers to do it.

Am I getting that plan wrong or did I miss out on some detail?

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What minority faction do you mean? The two houses have separate powers, but either is able to stop the other. The President, by design, has only the same power, to say yae or nay to what either or both those houses conjure up.
This country was blessed that those wise men we refer to as the Founding Fathers came together in a single time and place. The government they created was one of limited power, and they did that for a very good reason. There's nothing to compare throughout history to the eventual tyranny that occurs when people find themselves beholden to leaders with absolute power over those they govern.
I promise that you would hate living under the rule of a dictator or a King.
Minority faction.

Let's see there are the tea party republicans vote as a bloc in the house that prevent Boehner from creating and passing bills that have even the slightest hint of moderation, Good sense and Compromise.

There are the Republicans in the senate that refuse for bills to be even considered with the power of the filibuster. Which makes a very uncomfortable vote for Republican senators that wish to get things done but have to deal with the tea party that might primary them for voting with the democrats. That makes it another minority faction.

So, as you can see minority factions in government hurt it.

Would you like me to go over that again for you?
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Delusional.
If the country was "dead broke" as you claim, how does spending more than any President in history solve that problem. There is no reduction in the budget deficit under Obama. In fact, the current deficit is the lowest one in Obama's 5 years and is till more than double the deficit of any other President, including Bush.
How could it be possible to spend more money than any other president when the deficit has been shrinking under this President's guidance.

Don't seem as if you actually thought that response through thoroughly.

The Bush 2009 Deficit was $1.4 Trillion, today the 2013 Budget Deficit is $650 Billion a reduction of more than half the amount George Bush left in 2009.
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And here's the other thing:
There's a difference between healthcare coverage and point of service healthcare. Just because Obama & Co believe (wrongly) that you have a right to coverage doesn't mean you are going to have a right to the quality healthcare EVERYONE has access to right now either through private insurance, a government program, or just showing up to an ER if you don't have coverage. You get quality care.
Doctors do not have to take insurance packages sold through Obamacare exchanges. and many of them won't.
So what is the difference in purchasing a plan from Blue Cross on the State Exchange, and Purchasing a plan from Blue Cross from your insurance agent?

Or Atena for that Matter?

If your physician takes Blue Cross how does he know where you may have purchased the policy that covers your services?
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OK, I’ll ask again...

If a pirate hijacks a ship and writes a ransom note saying he will kill the crew if the ship’s owner doesn’t pay him $1,000,000 within 3 days, who is responsible for killing the crew if the owner refuses to pay?

I’m fishing for people to answer “the ship’s owner” so I can ask them to expound the wisdom of that view — but so far, it’s been avoided like rat poison. Probably wisely so.

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kuda wrote:
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Yes, there is another thing indeed. If you think the old system provides “quality healthcare” that "EVERYONE has access to right now,” you’re going to love Obama Care (along with everyone else) because it provides more care for more people for a lower price.
Only one thing would be even better — single-payer universal health care.
Single payer, exactly. What do teabag moron troglodytes have against healthcare for everyone?
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Glad to see that the money will not be wasted on sports which are for the dull witted in the first place!
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Comment should have been posted in thread #3.

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The ELITE do not live by the rules of a commoner.
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<quoted text>Single payer, exactly. What do teabag moron troglodytes have against healthcare for everyone?
By and large, they fall into two categories.

First there are those who are intelligent enough to understand that it might be in their own personal best interest to dislike it if it “rains on they parade,” as for example it opposes the insurance industry’s cash cow of questionable ethical practices, or the cash cow of the politicians they pay to work in their interest.

The other group is composed of people who are uninformed, misinformed and exploited by the first group to feel infuriated with President Obama for reasons they can’t articulate or because of gullibility due to racial prejudice. That’s why these forums seem filled with angry villagers storming the castle waiving torches and pitchforks — villagers fueled by the inciting rants and litany of false news fed by Faux Views and a Oxycontin-crazed radio “personality”(as it were). Sadly, such blind rage also explains why they would burn down their own castle.

The first group should know better, but they just don’t care. The second group really cares, but just doesn’t know any better.
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The ELITE do not live by the rules of a commoner.
The golden rule: He who owns the gold rules.

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I understand how threatened Democrats feel every time the government tit looks like it might run a little less freely.
I'd worry about your marbles running too freely.

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The Demoncrappers
Americans know who is shutting down the government.
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Poor effing Boehner.

He's being bitch-slapped around by a teabagger
minority in the House and hasn't got the guts
to stand up to them. And it's Obama's fault.

Behind that sprayed-on tan there is a very small
man. A coward. A shank.
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Refusal to negotiate??? They have sent counter offers and the dems won't even consider a deal... This administration claims it wants to help the middleclass... Not much has gotten better for people who actually work for a living. The republicans have to attach obamacare to the budget, their arrogance will not allow them to look at their ideology from a reasonable point of view. Take away reason and accountability and you have our administration.
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Republicans’ refusal to negotiate is what got us into this mess. Taking the budget hostage and demanding having their way as ransom not to destroy America is their latest tactic. Asking harry Reid to pay the ransom is not a legitimate form of negotiation. It’s demanding a ransom not to destroy America! I honestly believe that they do not have the mental capability understand that distinction or the ethical will to behave honorably.
Frankly, President Obama made a major concession to the Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) by including private insurance companies rather than going with single-payer universal health care. The Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) want nothing to change so they can keep bilking the public (including the majority of people that they’ve stirred into a hate President Obama frenzy) to pay their executives (and, of course, certain politicians) while falling short in regard to paying health benefits.
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Refusal to negotiate??? They have sent counter offers and the dems won't even consider a deal.
Counter offers?

Clean bill.

There is no need to negotiate.

If the House wants to tear down ACA, let them do it with their own bill.

Oh right... they've tried that 41 times.

“Yeah, but...”

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kuda wrote:
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Republicans’ refusal to negotiate is what got us into this mess. Taking the budget hostage and demanding having their way as ransom not to destroy America is their latest tactic. Asking harry Reid to pay the ransom is not a legitimate form of negotiation. It’s demanding a ransom not to destroy America! I honestly believe that they do not have the mental capability understand that distinction or the ethical will to behave honorably.
Frankly, President Obama made a major concession to the Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) by including private insurance companies rather than going with single-payer universal health care. The Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) want nothing to change so they can keep bilking the public (including the majority of people that they’ve stirred into a hate President Obama frenzy) to pay their executives (and, of course, certain politicians) while falling short in regard to paying health benefits.
Everyone will love Obama Care once they experience its reality rather than believing everything Faux Views reports. Republicans (aka big insurance industry money) know that and they’re now in panic mode. It’s not a pretty picture.
Who's not negotiating?
Seems to me the House sent TWO proposals for keeping the Government in operation to the Senate.
The second includes a compromise proposal that originated in the Senate.
Still no word on the Senate's response. The Senate is not negotiating. It's pouting.

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One day there will be a snuff film about the teabagging cons.

...with a cast of 'never weres' and 'unknowns'.

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