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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

There are 201847 comments on the www.cnn.com story from Aug 4, 2010, titled Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage. In it, www.cnn.com reports that:

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#149714 Jul 9, 2012
KiMare wrote:
An Economics professor applauding a seriously methodologically unsound study, couldn't they find an actual sociologist? Yes dear, there are flaws in the existing studies, their sample bases are small and tend to be unrepresentative of the population of same sex couples with children, but their flaws pale in comparison to that agenda driven nonsense Regenerus pumped out. What you and the author of that piece you badly cut and pasted fail to grasp, is that if the problems that Regenerus claims to exist and at the magnitude he claims, even those small, unrepresentative samples should have stumbled across them. Amazingly, none of the dozens which have been done ever did. If all you have to offer are the lame attempts by others to blow life into a dead horse and childish insults, you really should quit while you're behind.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#149715 Jul 9, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
Of course the biggest con is the notion there's even such thing as a homosexual.
There's not an iota of science supporting the nomenclature, no litmus test, nothing except self-identification.
Now, self-identification is an acceptable form of identification -- we allow it for religious groups, ethnicity, etc. A man how looks like Bill Clinton can certainly self-identify as African-American.
Self-identification, however, is choice.
Gay activists promote the notion that everyone who self-identifies as homosexual was "born that way." In fact, if you go on television and say you chose to be bisexaul gay activists will picket the network for promoting dangerous and false ideas about homosexuality.
The fact is, gays have absolutely no idea how many people simply chose to live the gay lifesyle. But when confronted with this basic fact they attempt to use logic exercises to show it isn't so:
"Why would anyone choose to be an abused minority?"
or,
"Did you choose to be heterosexual?"
Actually, people DO choose to be heterosexual -- which is to say, people choose to engage in male female-sex.
That's not the same thing as being heterosexual.
Assuming you've had sex, were you homosexual before you first had sex?
Prof Marvel wrote:
Indeed, a sizable amount do so all of their lives and never really like it -- "Honey, I have a headache."
The point here, is both homosexuality and heterosexuality are choice.
Choose to be gay then.
Prof Marvel wrote:
Hetero men can learn to enjoy anal sex and homo men can learn to enjoy penis-vaginal sex.
Most men into anal sex are straight. Women also have anuses.
And you are saying gay men can learn to enjoy penis-vagina sex, yet you claim gay men don't exist! LOL.
Prof Marvel wrote:
"Homosexuality" and homosexuals are at best, heterosexuals who prefer male-to-male sex; that's all. That's all science can say about homosexuality with certainty.
Nothing more.
Heterosexuals who enjoy male-to-male sex -- that's all.
Sex cultists.
LOL. You are so stupid. Are you actually denying gay people exist!?

“Facts”

Since: May 08

Location hidden

#149716 Jul 9, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not the same thing as being heterosexual.
Assuming you've had sex, were you homosexual before you first had sex?
<quoted text>
Choose to be gay then.
<quoted text>
Most men into anal sex are straight. Women also have anuses.
And you are saying gay men can learn to enjoy penis-vagina sex, yet you claim gay men don't exist! LOL.
<quoted text>
LOL. You are so stupid. Are you actually denying gay people exist!?
I have asked you for years to prove that a higher percentage of straight men prefer anal sex compared to gays and you do nothing but duck and dodge......

Just another of your lies I have caught you spreading like the VD you spread every day......

Post a link to prove that..........LOL

Waiting..........

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#149717 Jul 9, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
Of course the biggest con is the notion there's even such thing as a homosexual.
There's not an iota of science supporting the nomenclature, no litmus test, nothing except self-identification...
Sweetie, it really doesn't matter, even IF "being homosexual" were a choice, your irrational and increasingly deranged reaction to such a choice does not make for a particularly sound basis for the denial of our civil rights. Religious belief, in spite of the usual denial of free will being a part of the process, is a choice for which there is nothing more than self-identification. Why should that often seriously bad choice be given special recognition and protection than other choices one might make?
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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#149719 Jul 9, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>An Economics professor applauding a seriously methodologically unsound study, couldn't they find an actual sociologist? Yes dear, there are flaws in the existing studies, their sample bases are small and tend to be unrepresentative of the population of same sex couples with children, but their flaws pale in comparison to that agenda driven nonsense Regenerus pumped out. What you and the author of that piece you badly cut and pasted fail to grasp, is that if the problems that Regenerus claims to exist and at the magnitude he claims, even those small, unrepresentative samples should have stumbled across them. Amazingly, none of the dozens which have been done ever did. If all you have to offer are the lame attempts by others to blow life into a dead horse and childish insults, you really should quit while you're behind.
tricky dicky ricky, you live up to your infamy!

"The bias of the same-sex-parenting literature has been recognized by individuals within and outside this literature (indeed, in the same issue of Social Science Research as the Regnerus study, Loren Marks has provided another critique of this literature). Ironically, the common complaint about Regnerus that he compares apples to oranges is valid about practically every study that finds no difference between homosexual and heterosexual families. In the latter, biased samples of high-income, highly educated, self-selected lesbian parents are compared to random samples of opposite-sexed parents.

If the Regnerus study is to be thrown out, then practically everything else in the field has to go with it."

That is the VERY NEXT SECTION OF WHAT I POSTED PREVIOUSLY.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/302749...

Prof Marvel

“The Great and Wonderful Marvel”

Since: Aug 09

United States

#149720 Jul 9, 2012
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
That's not the same thing as being heterosexual.
Assuming you've had sex, were you homosexual before you first had sex?
<quoted text>
Choose to be gay then.
<quoted text>
Most men into anal sex are straight. Women also have anuses.
And you are saying gay men can learn to enjoy penis-vagina sex, yet you claim gay men don't exist! LOL.
<quoted text>
LOL. You are so stupid. Are you actually denying gay people exist!?
I'm not claiming anything except you have no litmus test for homosexuality, save self-identification. You promote the idea that homosexuals are "born" not made, but present nothing to support this.

But prove me wrong.

Give us the litmus test for homosexuality.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#149721 Jul 9, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>An Economics professor applauding a seriously methodologically unsound study, couldn't they find an actual sociologist? Yes dear, there are flaws in the existing studies, their sample bases are small and tend to be unrepresentative of the population of same sex couples with children, but their flaws pale in comparison to that agenda driven nonsense Regenerus pumped out. What you and the author of that piece you badly cut and pasted fail to grasp, is that if the problems that Regenerus claims to exist and at the magnitude he claims, even those small, unrepresentative samples should have stumbled across them. Amazingly, none of the dozens which have been done ever did. If all you have to offer are the lame attempts by others to blow life into a dead horse and childish insults, you really should quit while you're behind.
Thank you tricky dicky ricky to be tricky too, and bring up another article by this 'economist' SMILE.

"MercatorNet: Is it possible to create laws which will accommodate both heterosexual and homosexual couples?

I think it is, but not without a cost. Let me first say that there are four major categories of costs and benefits of including any type of couple into marriage. There are costs and benefits of including, and there are costs and benefits of excluding. Most of the debate on gay marriage focus on just one or two of these categories, and as a result there is much confusion. Let me spell them out before answering your question:

Inclusion Benefits: These are the private benefits a couple gains from marriage, plus any social benefits. Most believe that the major social benefit of marriage is a sufficient quantity of high-quality children to perpetuate the society.

Inclusion Costs: Any type of couple that is included into marriage that requires a redefinition of marriage imposes a cost on the existing types of couples. Marriage has been designed for monogamous heterosexual couples. Any change to its institutional structure to accommodate others, must impose costs on the existing marriages. This is the argument of my paper in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy.

Exclusion Benefits: Every society has values that pass judgement on various types of unions. Some believe that polygamy is moral, others believe it is immoral. Some believe that gay marriage is good, others believe it is bad. When a type of marriage is excluded, those who believe this type of marriage is wrong benefit. These benefits must be included in the decision to allow the type of couple into the franchise of marriage.

Exclusion Costs: When a type of couple is excluded the benefits they would have achieved in marriage are not realized, and this is a cost. In addition, some clerk somewhere has to be able to tell if a couple should be excluded, and this logistical problem also is a cost."

Please, read the rest of the article here;

http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/is_i...

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#149722 Jul 9, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
I have asked you for years to prove that a higher percentage of straight men prefer anal sex compared to gays and you do nothing but duck and dodge......
Just another of your lies I have caught you spreading like the VD you spread every day......
Post a link to prove that..........LOL
Waiting..........
Wait all you like. I never claimed a higher percentage of straight men prefer anal sex compared to gays. I say most men into anal sex are straight. Do you understand the difference?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#149723 Jul 9, 2012
DAMN! I sure do enjoy playing here!

Who says Hermaphrodites, straights, and lesbians can't get along with gay boys?

You having fun yet?

Smile.

Since: Apr 11

Santa Monica, CA

#149724 Jul 9, 2012
Prof Marvel wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not claiming anything except you have no litmus test for homosexuality, save self-identification.
Even if what you say is true, that's the most important test there can be.
Prof Marvel wrote:
You promote the idea that homosexuals are "born" not made, but present nothing to support this.
Gay people claim they are born that way,the most important evidence there can be. I know I was born straight. What about you?
Prof Marvel wrote:
But prove me wrong.
Give us the litmus test for homosexuality.
The claims of gay people.
There, I proved you wrong.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#149725 Jul 9, 2012
KiMare wrote:
Quoting from the same silly article as rebuttal to my refutation of it, made sense to you why exactly? It's still the same Economics professor, still doing the same cheer for the same study which still remains seriously methodologically flawed.
Donald

Barstow, CA

#149726 Jul 9, 2012
When is the Donald is driving to San Diego, California?
Mark

Barstow, CA

#149727 Jul 9, 2012
When is the Mark is driving to Glendora, California?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#149728 Jul 9, 2012
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Quoting from the same silly article as rebuttal to my refutation of it, made sense to you why exactly? It's still the same Economics professor, still doing the same cheer for the same study which still remains seriously methodologically flawed.
That gay twirl is a tornado tonight.

Smile.
Jennifer

Barstow, CA

#149729 Jul 9, 2012
When is the Jennifer is driving to Rancho Cucamonga, California?

“"On The Threshold Of A Dream" ”

Since: Mar 12

Montreal Canada

#149730 Jul 9, 2012
Here Is One wrote:
<quoted text>
I have asked you for years to prove that a higher percentage of straight men prefer anal sex compared to gays and you do nothing but duck and dodge......
Just another of your lies I have caught you spreading like the VD you spread every day......
Post a link to prove that..........LOL
Waiting..........
Well here you go little bigot buddy! What,you don't know how to Google it? Damn you are a simpleton! LOL

Heteros and anal sex
nymag.com/nightlife/mating/25988/

Or,how about this one
Heteros and anal sex
http://sexuality.about.com/od/sexinformation/...

So I guess you'd have to say that the vast majority of humans practicing anal sex is heterosexuals! Glad I could help little buddy! Now what? LOL

“"On The Threshold Of A Dream" ”

Since: Mar 12

Montreal Canada

#149731 Jul 9, 2012
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you tricky dicky ricky to be tricky too, and bring up another article by this 'economist' SMILE.
"MercatorNet: Is it possible to create laws which will accommodate both heterosexual and homosexual couples?
I think it is, but not without a cost. Let me first say that there are four major categories of costs and benefits of including any type of couple into marriage. There are costs and benefits of including, and there are costs and benefits of excluding. Most of the debate on gay marriage focus on just one or two of these categories, and as a result there is much confusion. Let me spell them out before answering your question:
Inclusion Benefits: These are the private benefits a couple gains from marriage, plus any social benefits. Most believe that the major social benefit of marriage is a sufficient quantity of high-quality children to perpetuate the society.
Inclusion Costs: Any type of couple that is included into marriage that requires a redefinition of marriage imposes a cost on the existing types of couples. Marriage has been designed for monogamous heterosexual couples. Any change to its institutional structure to accommodate others, must impose costs on the existing marriages. This is the argument of my paper in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy.
Exclusion Benefits: Every society has values that pass judgement on various types of unions. Some believe that polygamy is moral, others believe it is immoral. Some believe that gay marriage is good, others believe it is bad. When a type of marriage is excluded, those who believe this type of marriage is wrong benefit. These benefits must be included in the decision to allow the type of couple into the franchise of marriage.
Exclusion Costs: When a type of couple is excluded the benefits they would have achieved in marriage are not realized, and this is a cost. In addition, some clerk somewhere has to be able to tell if a couple should be excluded, and this logistical problem also is a cost."
Please, read the rest of the article here;
http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/is_i...
What? Create laws that will accommodate both gays and heterosexuals? I take it you forgot about the Constitution bird brain! Try reading the 14th amendment again,or for the first time! Separate but equal is not equal,and how about equal treatment under the law? Sorry but Unconstitutional but it doesn't surprise me that you'd post something so idiotic and unamerican! D-U-H!

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#149732 Jul 9, 2012
Days Of Futures Past wrote:
<quoted text>
What? Create laws that will accommodate both gays and heterosexuals? I take it you forgot about the Constitution bird brain! Try reading the 14th amendment again,or for the first time! Separate but equal is not equal,and how about equal treatment under the law? Sorry but Unconstitutional but it doesn't surprise me that you'd post something so idiotic and unamerican! D-U-H!
A number of different levels to respond to, but I'll stick with the context level.

Read the question he responded to at the beginning of the quote.

DUH!!!
Liz

Barstow, CA

#149733 Jul 9, 2012
When is the Liz is driving to West Covina, California?
Liz

Barstow, CA

#149734 Jul 9, 2012
Coming to West Covina, California

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