Who still takes global warming seriously?

Despite the recent discovery of the e-mails that resulted in "Climate Gate" and the fact this has been one of the coldest and harshest winters in many years, Gov. Full Story
menoworry

Farmington, NM

#29238 Jul 11, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>The Himalayan Glaciers are still around..
Well that's sure good news.
Sound like the IPCC deals in gossip & controversy also.. Just say'in...
The IPCC admitted their mistake. Do you suppose The Daily will admit theirs. I think not.
Just say'in...
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#29239 Jul 11, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>The Daily Mail is just as unbiased as the IPCC.. In fact it might be a better source.. The "Daily Mail" does not take Government monies, to slant reports, in a manner that makes it easier for the Government to re-enslave their Citizens.. The IPCC does!!..
You're a funny guy! Do you have a regular show on the Podunk circuit?
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#29240 Jul 11, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>We are talking about a 1C difference, from zero (or point of reference), either way, over 2,000 years.. And the slope (trend) over 2,000 years is negative.. So, are you talking about Global Warming, Global Climate Disruption, or weather??.. Because for at least 2000 years, the climate seems unexpectedly stable!!
Part of your problem (though not all of it by far) is that the chart is not very detailed. It covers 2000 years in about three inches. Then there's the fact that they cut it off at about AD 2000.

Another problem you have is with history. If you knew it very well, you'd see that the Republicans are nearer Nazis in actions and philosophy than anyone else, and they oppose in actions on climate change.

Maybe they're hoping for a larger Holocaust through climate action delay rather than machine guns and labor camps?
menoworry

Farmington, NM

#29241 Jul 11, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>We are talking about a 1C difference, from zero (or point of reference), either way, over 2,000 years.. And the slope (trend) over 2,000 years is negative.. So, are you talking about Global Warming, Global Climate Disruption, or weather??.. Because for at least 2000 years, the climate seems unexpectedly stable!!
Your chart shows temps. So that's what we are discussing. And yes,a linear trend analysis done over 2k years on the ring data, shows a cooling trend.But expand that ring data over the past 130 yrs; do a LTA and it'll show a positive slope, I bet.Data that will agree with actual temp measurements taken over the same period. This, along with an increase in the CO2 level over the same period, indicates that cooling trend is over. Don't you think?
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

“Iblis-ak-bar & mo his prophet”

Since: Mar 07

Mt Clemens, MI

#29242 Jul 11, 2012
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Part of your problem (though not all of it by far) is that the chart is not very detailed. It covers 2000 years in about three inches. Then there's the fact that they cut it off at about AD 2000.
Another problem you have is with history. If you knew it very well, you'd see that the Republicans are nearer Nazis in actions and philosophy than anyone else, and they oppose in actions on climate change.
Maybe they're hoping for a larger Holocaust through climate action delay rather than machine guns and labor camps?
OK, I'll bite.. Again!!.. Why are strong central government National Socialist (Nazi's) closer to Republicans than strong central government Social Democrats (Communist)??..

“Iblis-ak-bar & mo his prophet”

Since: Mar 07

Mt Clemens, MI

#29243 Jul 11, 2012
menoworry wrote:
<quoted text>Your chart shows temps. So that's what we are discussing. And yes,a linear trend analysis done over 2k years on the ring data, shows a cooling trend.But expand that ring data over the past 130 yrs; do a LTA and it'll show a positive slope, I bet.Data that will agree with actual temp measurements taken over the same period. This, along with an increase in the CO2 level over the same period, indicates that cooling trend is over. Don't you think?
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/
How do I "expand" 2000 year worth of data over 130 years??.. Don't you want me to "compress" or "narrow" the available data??..
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#29244 Jul 11, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>OK, I'll bite.. Again!!.. Why are strong central government National Socialist (Nazi's) closer to Republicans than strong central government Social Democrats (Communist)??..
Wrong phrasing, dude. I said Republicans are nearer to Nazis in actions and philosophy than anyone else, not that National Socialists were like Republicans. Anyway, let's see.

Xenophobia.
Racism.
Maintenance of class stratification, with Party members enjoying the fruits of the workers labor.
Industrial control of government.
Imposition of their philosophy on the populace to the exclusion of all others.
BIG lies.
Lack of concern about anything but PROFIT.

All of these preclude any action in dealing with a looming disaster.
NobodyYouKnow

Toronto, Canada

#29245 Jul 11, 2012
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong phrasing, dude. I said Republicans are nearer to Nazis in actions and philosophy than anyone else, not that National Socialists were like Republicans. Anyway, let's see.
Xenophobia.
Racism.
Maintenance of class stratification, with Party members enjoying the fruits of the workers labor.
Industrial control of government.
Imposition of their philosophy on the populace to the exclusion of all others.
BIG lies.
Lack of concern about anything but PROFIT.
All of these preclude any action in dealing with a looming disaster.
http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/b...
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power."

Fact is that it is the old story of the 'aristocracy' vs the peasantry. The aristocracy sees that their power might slip if the public gets a 'fair share' so they oppress the public in any way they can, either directly or by distraction. This works for a while but ultimately leads to revolution and a new aristocracy that repeats the same pattern. So far..

“Iblis-ak-bar & mo his prophet”

Since: Mar 07

Mt Clemens, MI

#29246 Jul 11, 2012
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong phrasing, dude. I said Republicans are nearer to Nazis in actions and philosophy than anyone else, not that National Socialists were like Republicans. Anyway, let's see.
Xenophobia.
Racism.
Maintenance of class stratification, with Party members enjoying the fruits of the workers labor.
Industrial control of government.
Imposition of their philosophy on the populace to the exclusion of all others.
BIG lies.
Lack of concern about anything but PROFIT.
All of these preclude any action in dealing with a looming disaster.
Sound like a list of items the Republicans fought the Civil War, to get rid of.. Remember if they only cared about profit, the Democrats would have been able to keep their slaves!!..
Sound more like a list Hitler, Lenin, Stalin & Mao would inflict on there Citizens.. Except for the profit thing.. You would have to change (just that word) it to power

Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#29247 Jul 12, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>Sound like a list of items the Republicans fought the Civil War, to get rid of.. Remember if they only cared about profit, the Democrats would have been able to keep their slaves!!..
Sound more like a list Hitler, Lenin, Stalin & Mao would inflict on there Citizens.. Except for the profit thing.. You would have to change (just that word) it to power
Somewhere along the line, they flipped. Democrats became Republicans and Republicans became the Democrats of old.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29248 Jul 12, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>Sound like a list of items the Republicans fought the Civil War, to get rid of.. Remember if they only cared about profit, the Democrats would have been able to keep their slaves!!..
Sound more like a list Hitler, Lenin, Stalin & Mao would inflict on there Citizens.. Except for the profit thing.. You would have to change (just that word) it to power
OK, now you're only 150 years off. I was talking about modern (?) Republicans.

I believe Hitler was a Nazi, so the list applies to him and his followers.

As far as Lenin and Mao, their governments controlled industry, not the other way around, as the National Socialists did and as Republicans endorse. Stalin, IMO, was nothing but a monster and a murderer. I doubt Stalin's actions would have been different no matter what his political bent.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#29249 Jul 12, 2012
Correction: National Socialism controlled industry, but it was a lover relationship, for the most part, not antagonistic. Industry loved the war profits.

Republicans love profit, and it doesn't matter where it comes from or who has to die to produce it.

“Iblis-ak-bar & mo his prophet”

Since: Mar 07

Mt Clemens, MI

#29250 Jul 12, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Somewhere along the line, they flipped. Democrats became Republicans and Republicans became the Democrats of old.
So, the social programs (starting in the 30's) were not meant to make Citizens dependent upon the Government.. That it happened was an unintended side-effect, an accident??.. Really??..
NobodyYouKnow

Toronto, Canada

#29251 Jul 12, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
<quoted text>
Somewhere along the line, they flipped. Democrats became Republicans and Republicans became the Democrats of old.
Don't try that line. His attempt is just 'labeling' or really 'mislabeling' to try to insult.

Fact is that the slave owners were CONSERVATIVES of their time. The ones that defended the STATUS QUO and PRIVILEGE of the slave masters.

Not much different today. Just a change from the physical control of slaves of old to the 'freedom to starve' of corporate controlled America.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#29252 Jul 12, 2012
gcaveman1 wrote:
Your out of date dude. We're coming up on 397 now.
You might as well say we're coming up on 500 now, "dude."
Atmospheric CO2 for June 2012
395.77ppm
CO2 Data Set:
Original data file posted by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on Thursday July 5, 2012
Measuring Location:
Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii
http://co2now.org/

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#29253 Jul 12, 2012
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
It changes within a fairly small range over centuries, a slightly larger one over millenia[sic] and a slightly larger one over eons.
We are on track to have a climate change that is equal to an eon
's worth in less than a century.
Eon's worth?
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Since: Mar 09

Wichita, KS

#29254 Jul 12, 2012
Z_SKI_ wrote:
<quoted text>So, the social programs (starting in the 30's) were not meant to make Citizens dependent upon the Government.. That it happened was an unintended side-effect, an accident??.. Really??..
Nope, they saved people and possibly democracy. There was a real movement at the time to adopt socialism because capitalism had failed the masses. Capitalism was on its death bed. I don't know how old you are, but I witnessed some of the pain. Thankfully, President Bush and President Obama saw the emergency this time and took steps to avert a depression.

President Hoover tried the trickle down fiasco and it didn't work. If it was not for President Roosevelt our country might very well have reverted to socialism.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#29255 Jul 12, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>You might as well say we're coming up on 500 now, "dude."
Atmospheric CO2 for June 2012
395.77ppm
CO2 Data Set:
Original data file posted by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) on Thursday July 5, 2012
Measuring Location:
Mauna Loa Observatory, Hawaii
http://co2now.org/
OK, dudette. We're coming up on 500 ppm.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#29256 Jul 12, 2012
HOUSTON A Texas judge has ruled that the atmosphere and air must be protected for public use, just like water, which could help attorneys tasked with arguing climate change lawsuits designed to force states to cut emissions.

The written ruling, issued in a letter Monday by Texas District Court Judge Gisela Triana, shot down arguments by the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality that only water is a "public trust," a doctrine that dates to the Roman Empire stating a government must protect certain resources usually water, sometimes wildlife for the common good.

Adam Abrams, one of the attorneys arguing the case against TCEQ, said Triana's ruling could be used as a persuasive argument in lawsuits pending in 11 other states.

In Texas, though, a ruling to protect air and the atmosphere has added significance. Republican Gov. Rick Perry is one of the most vocal opponents against widely accepted scientific research that fossil fuel emissions are causing global warming. And the state has refused to regulate greenhouse gases, forcing the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency to work directly with industries to ensure they comply with federal law.

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Gosh, the air belongs to everyone! Who woulda thunk?

This should be a landmark case and will probably go to the Supreme Court. It'll take years, but the final result could be the end of air pollution.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#29257 Jul 12, 2012
One Illinois farmer is losing his corn and soybeans because of the drought. Illinois is not usually stricken by drought. If he had an irrigation system, he could probably save his crops, though his water bill would doubtless go up.

Well, I guess he just needs to adapt. Maybe he ought to invest in a new irrigation system. Probably won't cost much more than a quarter-million dollars for one the size he needs for his farm.

See? There's no problem. They can adapt. As long as they have enough collateral and both the farmer and his wife and their kids blow their banker.

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