Rand Paul's claim that 'American neoc...

Rand Paul's claim that 'American neocons' want to keep Egypt aid flowing

There are 19 comments on the Washington Post story from Jul 10, 2013, titled Rand Paul's claim that 'American neocons' want to keep Egypt aid flowing. In it, Washington Post reports that:

Sen. Rand Paul has staked out a vaguely isolationist position in the Republican Party, skeptical of foreign aid and military intervention.

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Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#1 Jul 10, 2013
"The Obama administration should apply the law that requires suspending $1.5 billion in military and economic aid to Egypt following the removal of a democratically-elected leader by coup or military decree. Not only is this clearly required under U.S. law, but is the best way to make clear immediately to Egypt’s military that an expedient return to a legitimate, elected civilian government—avoiding the repression, widespread rights abuses, and political exclusion that characterized the 18 months of military rule after Mubarak’s fall—is Egypt’s only hope".

Where is the new law that states we withhold ALL foreign aid?

"following the removal of a democratically-elected leader by coup or military decree"?

Their military or ours?

Clearly not on board to what our CIA is all about, they practically invented it and I don't doubt for a second they had a hand in this.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#2 Jul 10, 2013
SOME people SEEM TO THINK WITH ENTITLEMENT IN THIS WORLD OF EVERYTHING, WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THE COMPLEX REALITY AND THE REAL WORLD ARE.
That is simply your problem because you still run and live in the old times of wild west and Mafia slings.
While you call yourselves having the best law schools, either they teach you not to know stands of today's world about what are called LAWS AND RULES, or you are just entrapped inside without knowing any clarity, or you seem to feel silly, or want to get high by naming any moves to take the Snowden case, as that feels better with heads feeling the excitement of calling selves Superpower.
What makes you think that you can do by engaging violations without asking your law professors first, by trying to do whatever--from telling Spain that Snowden was on an airplane (yet whether it was true Snowden was on board was immaterial, but he was not there as reported) going to Bolivia?
Because Bolivia is a small country and not as Russia and China, you dared to make that move. To, any small country or big country if you do the wrong, what wrong is all wrong, disorderly and unlawful.
Whether you invade Iraq as a small country or Brazil as a bigger country, and if they are of violations, it is all the same.
Your acts are illicit and reckless to tell other countries not to accept Snowden, but it breaks the rules to create International disorder and chaos, to want and attempt to do something to stop or get Snowden if he is on his way to any country accepting him for asylum. Your hangup and uptight ways reflect as little people playing fouls and your shortness of any reasoning logic based on the International Accord and ruling.
What you think as asking where Snowden is, indicates your entrapping of radicalism in the crazy pursuit without knowing this world's civilization, by saying you have the entitlement to keep on to know where he is, as is to get Snowden back.
Sometimes the world allows no more radicalism as there are ends, just like the end of a movie.
Understand the modern way of life is such that besides values, philosophies, judgment, rules and justice, many different systems, boundaries and International laws, once a person or something is out, it might never be in and back again to you.
Then there are some ends to it, yet learn what are stands of rules--once your ex-spouse left you , you might not see and hear him/her again and the world might not let you keep on trying to find out your ex any more, even you try to break boundaries and rules to get in trouble.
While it is everybody's world, your keeping on saying where Snowden is, could be the silly extremists as how you think, that might break one hundred regulations and rules under International modern ruling, because your wild west dreams in the slings of getting excitedly high, to materialize your mentalities that you think you are still a Superpower, rather as the little people with no ego or face, by exhibiting breaking any accord and ruling stand with no regard to rules of law in this universe.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#3 Jul 10, 2013
It's not "isolationist" to be opposed to the interventionist policies of Neocons. That's a misunderstanding of the term "isolationist."

Since: Apr 08

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#4 Jul 10, 2013
chisholm wrote:
It's not "isolationist" to be opposed to the interventionist policies of Neocons. That's a misunderstanding of the term "isolationist."
Perhaps, but it has been the Democrats practicing the interventionist politics for the past 5 years.

John Kerry, saying the agreement was made in 2010, said that giving Egypt, now controlled by the military, four F16 fighter planes, is honoring a previous commitment.

In my mind, giving 4 fighter planes to a military that just overthrew the duly elected government is certainly an intervention, and not a good one either.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#5 Jul 10, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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Perhaps, but it has been the Democrats practicing the interventionist politics for the past 5 years.
John Kerry, saying the agreement was made in 2010, said that giving Egypt, now controlled by the military, four F16 fighter planes, is honoring a previous commitment.
In my mind, giving 4 fighter planes to a military that just overthrew the duly elected government is certainly an intervention, and not a good one either.
Bush's policies weren't "interventionist?" SERIOUSLY?

LOL!

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#6 Jul 10, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Bush's policies weren't "interventionist?" SERIOUSLY?
LOL!
I never said Bush's weren't but Bush has been out of office for 5 years. I never mentioned Bush. It's Obama's time in office now.

Everything done under this administration belongs to Obama, no matter who first started it. If he continued it, if he expanded it, if his administration originated it, the whole tub of lard is on him.
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#8 Jul 10, 2013
I dont care much for Morsi or the Muslim Brotherhood. But Morsi did win the election and was the democraticly elected president of Egypt. And a Military coup is worse then having a nutjob for president.
The USA needs to stay as far away from the mess in
Egypt as possible and have nothing to do with the Junta at all.
Billy Ringo

New York, NY

#9 Jul 10, 2013
This Paul kid is as goofy as his old man.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#10 Jul 11, 2013
Obama knows that he's doing. He won the Nobel Peace Prize you know.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#11 Jul 11, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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I never said Bush's weren't but Bush has been out of office for 5 years. I never mentioned Bush. It's Obama's time in office now.
Everything done under this administration belongs to Obama, no matter who first started it. If he continued it, if he expanded it, if his administration originated it, the whole tub of lard is on him.
Of ocurse you "don't mention Bush," because you want to excuse HIS interventionism while blaming only Obama. That's what one calls "hypocrisy," in case you didn't know. You want Obama to take sole ownership of all American interventionism past, present and future because he's a liberal Dem.

You're just dishonest.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#12 Jul 11, 2013
RustyS wrote:
Obama knows that he's doing. He won the Nobel Peace Prize you know.
If there was a Nobel Prize for trolling, you'd be a shoo-in.

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#13 Jul 11, 2013
chisholm wrote:
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Of ocurse you "don't mention Bush," because you want to excuse HIS interventionism while blaming only Obama. That's what one calls "hypocrisy," in case you didn't know. You want Obama to take sole ownership of all American interventionism past, present and future because he's a liberal Dem.
You're just dishonest.
You're stupid and making false assumptions.

I didn't mention Bush because he isn't the topic of conversation, the present administration is.

I didn't approve of Bush's Patriot Act, the TSA or Homeland Security. I approve of it even less since Obama extended and expanded them.

I didn't approve of Bush going into Iraq, nor the many lives wasted in Afghanistan.

Obama expanded the theater in Afghanistan, interfered in Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Egypt and now Syria. You can't blame that on Bush, no matter how much you want to.

You want to see dishonest and hypocrisy then look in a mirror.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#14 Jul 11, 2013
Bama Yankee wrote:
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You're stupid and making false assumptions.
I didn't mention Bush because he isn't the topic of conversation, the present administration is.
I didn't approve of Bush's Patriot Act, the TSA or Homeland Security. I approve of it even less since Obama extended and expanded them.
I didn't approve of Bush going into Iraq, nor the many lives wasted in Afghanistan.
Obama expanded the theater in Afghanistan, interfered in Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Egypt and now Syria. You can't blame that on Bush, no matter how much you want to.
You want to see dishonest and hypocrisy then look in a mirror.
Childish insults and defensiveness all you've got, then?

Look, genius, here's the original two posts (my initial post wasn't addressed to anyone, BTW):

chisholm: It's not "isolationist" to be opposed to the interventionist policies of Neocons. That's a misunderstanding of the term "isolationist."

you: Perhaps, but it has been the Democrats practicing the interventionist politics for the past 5 years.

Note that I never mentioned Bush or Republicans, originally. YOU brought up Obama and made the partisan post here.

I've never denied Dems haven't been interventionists. I was merely noting that it sounded like you were blaming internventionism only on Obama, while Bush was at least as bad. Deny that if you can.

Glad to hear you didn't approve of some of Bush's worst policies. Still, that's no reason to attack me for nothing. Calm down.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#15 Jul 11, 2013
PS - the "isolationist" comment I made was in response to the story on Rand Paul and a comment made about him.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#16 Jul 11, 2013
PPS - and the above is a reminder that the "topic of conversation" is Rand Paul, NOT the current administration.

:)
U CaNt MaKE it UP

Hazleton, PA

#17 Jul 11, 2013
Does Obama realize that the US military doesn't like him and the idea of a coup is now in their minds? To make matters worse Obama is cool with the Egyptian coup and is arming them.
Billy Ringo

New York, NY

#18 Jul 11, 2013
U CaNt MaKE it UP wrote:
Does Obama realize that the US military doesn't like him and the idea of a coup is now in their minds? To make matters worse Obama is cool with the Egyptian coup and is arming them.
Does your momma now realize she should have aborted you when she had the chance?
American Israeli Cabal

New Boston, IL

#19 Jul 11, 2013
American aid to Egypt has nothing to do with freedom and democracy but Israel's Southern Border. That's what our middle-east policy is mostly about securing Israel's borders. Everything else is window dressing. Almost every neocon is a Zionist Jew pushing Israel's agenda. And.... yes, when it comes to The State of Israel, I'm a pro- American not a treasonous American politician who puts Israel before America.
chisholm

Columbus, OH

#20 Jul 12, 2013
U CaNt MaKE it UP wrote:
Does Obama realize that the US military doesn't like him and the idea of a coup is now in their minds? To make matters worse Obama is cool with the Egyptian coup and is arming them.
Insane, wrong, and dishonest on both counts. You appear to revere fascism yourself, in fact.

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