Hawaii Senate to take last vote on ga...

Hawaii Senate to take last vote on gay marriage before sending bill to governor

There are 36 comments on the Nanaimo Daily News story from Nov 12, 2013, titled Hawaii Senate to take last vote on gay marriage before sending bill to governor. In it, Nanaimo Daily News reports that:

The Hawaii Senate is expected to pass a bill legalizing gay marriage on Tuesday, the final step for the state Legislature before sending the special session measure to Gov. Neil Abercrombie.

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Since: Mar 09

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#1 Nov 12, 2013
After which the Fundies will be in a real Fitch.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#2 Nov 12, 2013
Hawaii is the state that kicked off this whole anti-equality state constitutional amendment thing 20 years ago, that so many other states then copied.

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#3 Nov 12, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
Hawaii is the state that kicked off this whole anti-equality state constitutional amendment thing 20 years ago, that so many other states then copied.
Like the Spanish Civil War, Hawaii was the dress rehearsal for other States. The prime actors were the LDS and RCC, who later formed a coalition with the Dominionist and Christian Reconstructionist Rushdoony-ites.

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#4 Nov 12, 2013
Better late, than never.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#5 Nov 12, 2013
snyper wrote:
After which the Fundies will be in a real Fitch.
We passed the tipping point awhile ago. Whether they realize it, or want to admit it, is debatable. I think they realize it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Nov 12, 2013
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but one of the legislators is requesting a judge prevent the bill from taking effect claiming the legislature didn't have the authority to pass this bill based on the wording of their constitutional amendment.

The judge said he would consider the motion after the bill is signed into law.

Text of the amendment in Art 1 Sec 23:

"The Legislature shall have the power to reserve marriage to opposite-sex couples."

This may not be over yet.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#7 Nov 12, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Not to rain on everyone's parade, but one of the legislators is requesting a judge prevent the bill from taking effect claiming the legislature didn't have the authority to pass this bill based on the wording of their constitutional amendment.
The judge said he would consider the motion after the bill is signed into law.
Text of the amendment in Art 1 Sec 23:
"The Legislature shall have the power to reserve marriage to opposite-sex couples."
This may not be over yet.
The plain text of the amendment gives the legislature authority to make the determination without oversight from the judiciary. The legislator is twisting the straw into a pretzel before grasping.

The anti-gay have ALWAYS sued legislators and officials for anything they can conceive. They're simply throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping something will stick.

Actually, even they don't think they have any real hope. They just need to show their bigoted followers that they're still trying. And it gives them an opportunity to beg for some more money. Plus it gets their names in the news.

It is possible that a circuit-level judge will throw out jurisprudence and side with the bigots, but not likely. Such a decision would certainly not survive appeal, barring divine intervention.

People opposing marriage equality have a lousy record in court. The governor of Massachusetts couldn't get either the Supreme Judicial Court or the Supreme Court to help him out or even provide him wiggle room. Nor has any other court helped the anti-gays stop marriage equality legislation. They're not going to start now, especially not in Hawaii.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Nov 12, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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The plain text of the amendment gives the legislature authority to make the determination without oversight from the judiciary. The legislator is twisting the straw into a pretzel before grasping.
The anti-gay have ALWAYS sued legislators and officials for anything they can conceive. They're simply throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping something will stick.
Actually, even they don't think they have any real hope. They just need to show their bigoted followers that they're still trying. And it gives them an opportunity to beg for some more money. Plus it gets their names in the news.
It is possible that a circuit-level judge will throw out jurisprudence and side with the bigots, but not likely. Such a decision would certainly not survive appeal, barring divine intervention.
People opposing marriage equality have a lousy record in court. The governor of Massachusetts couldn't get either the Supreme Judicial Court or the Supreme Court to help him out or even provide him wiggle room. Nor has any other court helped the anti-gays stop marriage equality legislation. They're not going to start now, especially not in Hawaii.
I agree with your assessment completely.

I was just pointing out the 2 Dec start date might be delayed depending on what this judge does.
Cordwainer Trout

Elk Horn, KY

#9 Nov 12, 2013
If they are stupid enough to pass this, they should be prepared for the plummeting tourism subsequent to such stupid violation of the public's will and trust. Not only tourism will plummet, but the infection of Hawaii with the drugs and disease common to the homosexual will increase dramatically.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#10 Nov 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
If they are stupid enough to pass this, they should be prepared for the plummeting tourism subsequent to such stupid violation of the public's will and trust. Not only tourism will plummet, but the infection of Hawaii with the drugs and disease common to the homosexual will increase dramatically.
Right.

After the New York legislature passed the Marriage Equality bill, and the governor signed it into law, tourism in The City Of New York, and in the rest of The State Of New York plummeted to a fraction of what it was.

The bridges fell, the tunnels collapsed, the cities were in flames, blood was hip-deep in the streets, and mothers were eating their children.

EXACTLY as you and your cohorts predicted !

QUICK ! What are winning numbers for the next MegaMilllions and Powerball lotteries going to be ? I want to buy some winning tickets ! Only YOU know those numbers apparently !

:)

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“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#11 Nov 12, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I agree with your assessment completely.
I was just pointing out the 2 Dec start date might be delayed depending on what this judge does.
A tsunami is more likely to delay marriage in Hawaii than a circuit court judge. In order to delay the effect of the law, plaintiff has to show (1) likelihood of prevailing and (2) irreparable harm if marriages go forward. We know how that has been going lately....

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#12 Nov 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
If they are stupid enough to pass this, they should be prepared for the plummeting tourism subsequent to such stupid violation of the public's will and trust. Not only tourism will plummet, but the infection of Hawaii with the drugs and disease common to the homosexual will increase dramatically.
I think someone is very jealous that he can't afford a honeymoon in Hawaii.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#13 Nov 12, 2013
nhjeff wrote:
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I think someone is very jealous that he can't afford a honeymoon in Hawaii.
Or in Brooklyn.
Sgt Common Sense

Fairfield, CT

#14 Nov 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
If they are stupid enough to pass this, they should be prepared for the plummeting tourism subsequent to such stupid violation of the public's will and trust. Not only tourism will plummet, but the infection of Hawaii with the drugs and disease common to the homosexual will increase dramatically.
Right, everyone will be flocking to Kentucky for its warm winter weather and beaches.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#15 Nov 12, 2013
Sgt Common Sense wrote:
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Right, everyone will be flocking to Kentucky for its warm winter weather and beaches.
They could flock there to marry their cousins.

And honeymoon at the "Moon Shine Trailer Emporium".
Cordwainer is an Idiot

Newark, CA

#16 Nov 12, 2013
Sgt Common Sense wrote:
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Right, everyone will be flocking to Kentucky for its warm winter weather and beaches.
Well, there is the Creation Museum, which is very alluring to those who don't wish to be burdened with the inconvenience of having to think for themselves.
In Jades head rent free

Tecumseh, KS

#17 Nov 12, 2013
Cordwainer is an Idiot wrote:
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Well, there is the Creation Museum, which is very alluring to those who don't wish to be burdened with the inconvenience of having to think for themselves.
Some of us don't want to be burdened with the inconvenience of our rights watered down because some fool gave them to a qweer.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#18 Nov 12, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
If they are stupid enough to pass this, they should be prepared for the plummeting tourism subsequent to such stupid violation of the public's will and trust. Not only tourism will plummet, but the infection of Hawaii with the drugs and disease common to the homosexual will increase dramatically.
I hope so!
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We most certainly don't want to spend our %25,000 honeymoons surfing in the ocean with a bunch of snarling corwainer trouts
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Ewwwwwwww!!!!;o))
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#19 Nov 12, 2013
Topeka is a Toilet

Newark, CA

#20 Nov 12, 2013
In Jades head rent free wrote:
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Some of us don't want to be burdened with the inconvenience of our rights watered down because some fool gave them to a qweer.
Marriage equality does not "water down" or "give away" your rights, dimwit. It has no effect on them whatsoever.

You must feel lucky not being burdened with an IQ over 40.

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