Are you familiar with the FairTax bill?

[Michael Kersh]

Nope. It didn't work. Well, I guess some days are just like that.[Is there a webpage expert in the house?]

[James Gough]

For over 90 years the citizens of the United States have been legally robbed by our government through an amendment (16th) which allowed the government to take our freedom to earn as much as possible and support our 'free' enterprise system. Heck, in the first 10+ years of it's existence that lovely amendment arguably caused the Great depression. Since then it has created a partisian government in which the party in control, controls the purse strings of OUR purse. Each party continues to give themselves raises and are not victims of Social Security and Medicare. Because their plans, furnished by US,the taxpayers, are better. We need a list of those Congressman who approve of the status quo and vote them out. Funny, but I thought we should start a new party called the constitutionanl party. I had no idea there actually is one. I want a politician to stand up with both Fairtax books and say this is the answer to our economy. Nothing is more wrong then taxpayer money going to the IRS so they can audit the very people who pay their salaries.

[Moresage]

Pat wrote:

Very interesting how 85% of the people polled are aware of and support the FairTax bill yet there is little if any mention of it by the mainstream media and it rarely comes up in discussion or debate among the 3 front running candidates that same media has chosen for us

The main stream media promotes things to a large group of the public who will never make a decision on anything and they will not vote.

Let's promote the FairTax to people who are intelligent enough to have read the documents, books and papers and who know how much this country will benefit from FairTAx becoming law.

I believe there is a hugh number of Americans who have no business voting or expressing an opinion, especially about the FairTax.

[Kim Kilgallen]

Unless you are a politician, or for some reason love our current tax system, why would you not be for the FairTax ? Who wouldn't rather be taxed on what they "spend" rather than be taxed on what they "earn". There has been so much hype about the one time "economic stymulus package" that has cost us taxpayers billions of dollars, but nobody is talking about the MONTHLY economic stymulus checks that the head of households would receive under the FairTax in the form of a monthy rebate check ?

[Good posts]

Excellent posts here by well researched and read individuals. I concur with Michael Kirsh's analysis of the foreign policy benefits of the FairTax. When America once again becomes the de facto best place in the world to do business, our multinational corporations will find themselves with more self interest in making investments in American capital, labor, expertise, and technology; eventually this will lead to reputation and prestige once again, as well. The biggest hurdle it seems to me, was mentioned earlier by Pat from Jacksonville -- our illustrious media. I think that if the American people were made aware of the choices available in policy they would choose to elect the statesmen that voters like Nevin and myself are looking for. I for one would not vote for a person who is not versed enough on H.R. 25 to be a supporter.

[Libertarian 2008]

There is a candidate that is for the Fair Tax running for president in '08.His name is Bob Barr,a
Libertarian that is for smaller goverment.Go to"Bob
Barr 2008.com

[Tkrop]

Michael Kersh wrote:

I'm halfway through Ron Paul's book, "A Foreign Policy of Freedom". What Ron needs to understand is that the FairTax will go a long way toward accomplishing his desire of non-interventionist politics. Why? Because the FairTax makes it desireable for US corporations [the military-industrial complex, for example] to get along with other nations rather than jumping in to police them, thereby earning us their hatred. By removing the income/payroll tax component from our economy and letting the free market dictate pricing, many of the economic reasons we have for intervening in the affairs of other nations will disappear -- because our corporations and industries will be too busy on our own soil reaping the economic benefits of the FairTax [read Neal Boortz books, "The FairTax Book" and "FairTax: The Truth" to see what I mean] to meddle in the politics of other nations. The FairTax is truly a "win-win" situation. So let's go for it -- do not give in and do not give up. I understand and appreciate Dr Paul's position on not wanting to commit to co-sponsorship of the FairTax based on his philosophy of government and taxation, but he needs to re-think the practical application -- the FairTax is a freedom-based tax of peace and prosperity -- although, once implemented, I am for lowering the FairTax rate to no higher than 10%-- why should government be allowed to ask for more than God?

Michael,
Your so right. It's one of the same reasons the Liberation Party does not get the traction it should. Wanting to do away with all taxes is a noble quest, but hardly practical. I believe we need a strong third party, but not one whose platform makes the media deem them as a fringe group along with the general public.

[Chris G]

We need to push Barack into making a stand on the FairTax issue. I know, I know, we can all assume his answer will be but, it needs to become public. Make him make a stand and the rest will follow suit.

READ ANYTHING WRITTEN BY AYN RAND!!!

Forget Ron Paul's book. He is merely trying to explain what capitalism is all about. Ayn Rand has better answers why capitalism is morally superior to altruism.

[Paul Burgener]

If we'd pass the Fair Tax bill, the poor would pay no taxes, the rich would pay the maximum rate, the federal government would get the same amount of money, we'd complete no tax forms, we'd have at least $900 more money each year (because the wasted compliance cost would drop), businesses would return to the United States, the tax burden would be spread to illegals, tourists and criminals, cheating would greatly decline, prices will not go up, purchasing power will not go down, and April 15 would be just another spring day.

[Chris G]

Paul Burgener wrote:

If we'd pass the Fair Tax bill, the poor would pay no taxes, the rich would pay the maximum rate,....

Well you almost got it right. Everyone is taxed equally. There is no "maximum" rate. But yes, the prebate would prevent poverty level citizens from having to pay taxes on basic necessities.

[Robin Williams]

I am very much for the fair tax system and believe it would do so much for our present tax problems in this country. I hope to see it come to fruition very soon. Continue the good work and thank you.
Robin

[GabbyJim]

Michael Kersh wrote:

I'm confused. Why does my post show Gilmer, TX? I live just outside Manvel, TX.

Topix posts your city based on the location of your ISP server - not where you are physically located. If you are on dial up you could call long distance to - say - New York City and THAT is where topix would show you.
If you sight up as a member, you can fill in your profile and show where you really are.

[GabbyJim]

James Gough wrote:

For over 90 years the citizens of the United States have been legally robbed by our government through an amendment (16th) which allowed the government to take our freedom to earn as much as possible and support our 'free' enterprise system. Heck, in the first 10+ years of it's existence that lovely amendment arguably caused the Great depression. Since then it has created a partisian government in which the party in control, controls the purse strings of OUR purse. Each party continues to give themselves raises and are not victims of Social Security and Medicare. Because their plans, furnished by US,the taxpayers, are better. We need a list of those Congressman who approve of the status quo and vote them out. Funny, but I thought we should start a new party called the constitutionanl party. I had no idea there actually is one. I want a politician to stand up with both Fairtax books and say this is the answer to our economy. Nothing is more wrong then taxpayer money going to the IRS so they can audit the very people who pay their salaries.

Pretty good - but there is a misunderstanding being promoted here that needs correction - there have been a lot of phony emails claiming congress doesn't have to pay Social Security - this is an error - they DO pay social security - and other than their own personal investments in OTHER retirement programs - the same that are available to you or me (IRAs, 401Ks, Inusrance Annunities, etc) Social Security applies to them the same as to you and me. NOW - back when I was in school, they DID have a different program - but it was the same program my father, who worked for the FAA and most military people could opt in for - it was essentially the same as Social Security and later was converted to the same.

HOWEVER, MOST congressmen have a lot more personal income to invest in private retirement programs and it is that outlandish income that puts them out of touch with the real world - if THEY had to live on the same INCOME as you and me, they, too, would get on the Fair Tax bandwagon. It's much the same for the oil company execs - they have such high income that they don't CARE what it costs to drive a car!

[VegasHank]

It was up to 88% when I voted. While I would love to think that is a true representative sample of America, I doubt it. I'm not sure where the mailing list came from that got us to this website to vote, but I think it may be because we already support the fair tax, so it's a skewed sample. I suspect the actual number of Americans who have heard of and support the Fair Tax is much less. (Hate to be negative, but that sounds too good to be true.)

[Iamme]

bev wrote:

This is a Question for Pat. What is the Constutional Party ? Please explain.

The Constitution Party is the third largest political party when counted by voter registration. For more information on that party's platform go here www.constitutionparty.com . They already have their nominee and VP chosen. Their nominee, Chuck Baldwin, does support repealing the sixteenth amendment.

[GabbyJim]

Chris G wrote:

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Well you almost got it right. Everyone is taxed equally. There is no "maximum" rate. But yes, the prebate would prevent poverty level citizens from having to pay taxes on basic necessities.

Well, "taxed equally" is a bit misleading - taxed at the same rate is more accurate - the rich would pay a LOT more than "equally" - the rich - like the oil company execs and congressmen - neither care nor pay any attention to how much tax they are paying - they have so much money that even a 75% tax wouldn't affect their life style one iota.(Most Americans don't realize that we are already paying 50% and more in taxes - because they are hidden in the price before tax of everything you buy and spread out through multiple taxin authorities - look at the PERCENTAGE of your phone bill - for example - that is a tax in one form or name or another.) As a result of the FairTax, the rich would continue to spend like money was free rain water - and as a result would pay MUCH more tax than the rest of us. And, yes, the prebate would ensure that poor folks don't pay the tax - indeed, those REALLY poor folks would actually get a subsidy. BUT illegal immigrants - "undocmumented workers" would pay MORE than their "fare share" and might even go HOME rather than pay what WE've been paying! Imagine, no more latino gangs shooting up your neighborhood, robbing your convenience store, pushing drugs to your kids! And if they DID sell drugs, they'd pay TAXES on the money they spent - BETTER, they could be arrested on TWO counts - possession with intent / sale - of an illegal substance and - are you ready for this? TAX EVASION! If they failed to collect and pay the sales tax on the drugs they sell, it's no longer just a local thing - it is FEDERAL tax evasion! And, of course, it would be tax evasion on a state level too - unless, of course, they got a sales tax licensce and actually collected those taxes for the government - and the tax payer would STILL win!

[FairTax_question]

Pat wrote:

Very interesting how 85% of the people polled are aware of and support the FairTax bill yet there is little if any mention of it by the mainstream media and it rarely comes up in discussion or debate among the 3 front running candidates that same media has chosen for us

I think there is a large group "I am for the FairTax, but I'm not doing anything to help" that was not suggested on the poll. Would probably have surpassed the 85%.

[GabbyJim]

"Michael Kersh wrote:
I'm confused. Why does my post show Gilmer, TX? I live just outside Manvel, TX.--
(QUOTE who="GabbyJim")<q uoted text>
Topix posts your city based on the location of your ISP server - not where you are physically located. If you are on dial up you could call long distance to - say - New York City and THAT is where topix would show you.
If you sight up as a member, you can fill in your profile and show where you really are.(/QUOTE)

OOPS! That is SIGN up, not "sight" up - and it's free (note- check out my data to the left - see where it shows my city on one line and my ISP on another? If you havent's joined the group, the only clue topix has is your ISP location.)

[GabbyJim]

VegasHank wrote:

It was up to 88% when I voted. While I would love to think that is a true representative sample of America, I doubt it. I'm not sure where the mailing list came from that got us to this website to vote, but I think it may be because we already support the fair tax, so it's a skewed sample. I suspect the actual number of Americans who have heard of and support the Fair Tax is much less.(Hate to be negative, but that sounds too good to be true.)

Pat and vegashank are probably correct - that the vast number of people here ARE here because they've gotten on a mailing list as being FairTax supporters (note my logo) HOWEVER, the idea is to send a message to congress and SHOW them that the movement is growing as people become aware - also, this makes a GREAT - PUBLIC - forum to discuss this vital legislation. SO! If you came here because you are already a suppordter, send the link to anyone you know who may NOT be a supporter - let them SEE how many people DO support it, and let them see the discussions and LEARN

MOST IMPORTANTLY, SEND THIS LINK TO YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS so their staff can see the wide area of support and report on the movement to their bosses.(Take a moment yourself, scroll through the posts and look where they are coming from - all over the country! NOT just from some localized little group in po-dunk usa.)

[Bob Iles]

Tkrop wrote:

Most everyone who talks pro or con about the FairTax ignore the fact that broadening the tax base across the nation is the sanest, and only fair cure for Social Security. Anytime the media and the politicians talk about taxes and or Social Security they treat them as separate issues. They really aren't. Not when it comes to the FairTax. Approximately 48% of U.S. citizens actually pay income taxes. A bit more pays into Social Security. With the FairTax everyone who sets foot on U.S. soil pays into the system regardless of how they derive their income. Only people with some kind of an agenda or so awfully afraid of change cannot or refuse to see the logic here.

The hidden benefit of Fairtax is it will eliminate the special interest's including but not not limited to career politics