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Pentagon favors force reductions over furloughs in 2014

There are 70 comments on the The Washington Post story from Apr 2, 2013, titled Pentagon favors force reductions over furloughs in 2014. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

The Defense Department will consider reductions in force and involuntary separations before resorting to furloughs next year if the sequester continues, according to the Pentagon's comptroller.

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Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#1 Apr 2, 2013
Hale said the Pentagon is “going to have to look at other longer-term choices besides furloughs” if lawmakers reject the president’s budget.“The substitute may be reductions on force and involuntary separations, unfortunately, but we want to start doing this with more of a scalpel and less of a meat axe,” he said.

Good.

Hale also indicated that the Pentagon plans to ask for base realignments and closures, according to Federal News Radio, which first reported on the web conference. Lawmakers last year rejected such proposals.

Why are lawmakers rejecting pentagon proposals to save money?

Isn't THAT what "lawmakers" are supposed to do?

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Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#2 Apr 2, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
Hale said the Pentagon is “going to have to look at other longer-term choices besides furloughs” if lawmakers reject the president’s budget.“The substitute may be reductions on force and involuntary separations, unfortunately, but we want to start doing this with more of a scalpel and less of a meat axe,” he said.
Good.
Hale also indicated that the Pentagon plans to ask for base realignments and closures, according to Federal News Radio, which first reported on the web conference. Lawmakers last year rejected such proposals.
Why are lawmakers rejecting pentagon proposals to save money?
Isn't THAT what "lawmakers" are supposed to do?
What budget?

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#3 Apr 2, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
Hale said the Pentagon is “going to have to look at other longer-term choices besides furloughs” if lawmakers reject the president’s budget.“The substitute may be reductions on force and involuntary separations, unfortunately, but we want to start doing this with more of a scalpel and less of a meat axe,” he said.
Good.
Hale also indicated that the Pentagon plans to ask for base realignments and closures, according to Federal News Radio, which first reported on the web conference. Lawmakers last year rejected such proposals.
Why are lawmakers rejecting pentagon proposals to save money?
Isn't THAT what "lawmakers" are supposed to do?
The reason that our lawmakers would reject the Pentagons proposal is the sad fact that, Congress is consumed with individual base closings and who's district will the closed base lay. There are dozens of congressional districts where the congressman would view closing of the local base as a personal defeat. And an issue that a future opponent would use to defeat him or her.
The only way out would be for congress to abdicate responsibility and leave it solely up to the Pentagon.
Serious money can be save domestically but the real cash will be in shutting down European and Japanese bases

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#4 Apr 2, 2013
So instead getting rid of any of the 800,000 civilian employees at the DOD who make an average of $75k/yr, their answer is to get rid of the active duty members who make a third of that- and fight our wars for us?

We currently have 1 civilian DOD employee for every TWO active duty members.

Here's an idea- let's get rid of ALL the active duty members and say BILLIONS; let the 800,000+ civilian DOD employees pick up a gun or man a tank or fly the fighter jets.

MORONS!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#5 Apr 2, 2013
To be clear, as a 20+ year veteran I support DRASTICALLY drawing down our bloated military and closing all these unnecessary overseas bases.

But that must INCLUDE the MASSIVELY BLOATED CIVILIAN DOD workers!!!!!!!!

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#6 Apr 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
To be clear, as a 20+ year veteran I support DRASTICALLY drawing down our bloated military and closing all these unnecessary overseas bases.
But that must INCLUDE the MASSIVELY BLOATED CIVILIAN DOD workers!!!!!!!!
Yes.
Agreed

But the real change goes beyond closing bloated bases there has to be some examination of the concept that we should project military force into every corner of the world
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#7 Apr 2, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>What budget?
Why the money budgeted for the pentagon, Le Dimbulb.

The one teabaggers look to increase EVERY year.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#8 Apr 2, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
The reason that our lawmakers would reject the Pentagons proposal is the sad fact that, Congress is consumed with individual base closings and who's district will the closed base lay. There are dozens of congressional districts where the congressman would view closing of the local base as a personal defeat. And an issue that a future opponent would use to defeat him or her.
The only way out would be for congress to abdicate responsibility and leave it solely up to the Pentagon.
Serious money can be save domestically but the real cash will be in shutting down European and Japanese bases
Exactly cut everyone but mine.

When B-2's can fly from Missouri to S.Korea in hours, we could close SOME of our 800 military bases all over the world.

It seems none of our allies have a military force.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#9 Apr 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
So instead getting rid of any of the 800,000 civilian employees at the DOD who make an average of $75k/yr, their answer is to get rid of the active duty members who make a third of that- and fight our wars for us?
We currently have 1 civilian DOD employee for every TWO active duty members.
Here's an idea- let's get rid of ALL the active duty members and say BILLIONS; let the 800,000+ civilian DOD employees pick up a gun or man a tank or fly the fighter jets.
MORONS!
Haven't you learned that the private sector is far suppior to government hacks?

Iraq should have taught us that.

Top executives of Vice President Dick Cheney's former company, Halliburton, will be asked to testify next month before a House committee investigating potential favoritism and waste in Iraq reconstruction contracts.

Halliburton has been awarded more than $7 billion in Iraq contract work that involves everything from restoring oil production to feeding and housing U.S. troops.

A former logistics specialist said Halliburton charged taxpayers $10,000 a day to house employees in a five-star hotel in Kuwait instead of the $600 per day cost of using the same air-conditioned tents that house U.S. troops.

• A former "convoy commander" said Halliburton removed spare tires from its new $85,000 trucks, and gave instructions to abandon or "torch" the vehicles if they had a flat tire.

Waxman also said the cost of a food service contract was reduced by 40% after Halliburton's middleman role was eliminated.

Davis said there may be explanations, stating it might be a sound policy to abandon a truck rather than change a tire if a convoy comes under attack.

Only thing is, they weren't.

Halliburton Corporation has a contract to provide laundry services for Our Troops in Iraq and to accomplish that, they have these big trailers with washing machines in them. Halliburton reportedly bills the U.S. Army (your tax dollars) a charge of $100 per load to do laundry for our troops in the field. To add injury to greed, our soldiers are reporting that their laundry is coming back dirtier than when they were entrusted to the latest array of Halliburton services being provided to Our Troops. To add insult to injury, soldiers are being threatened with Court Martials for refusing to put on the nasty uniforms coming back from Halliburtons' operations.

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Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#10 Apr 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
So instead getting rid of any of the 800,000 civilian employees at the DOD who make an average of $75k/yr, their answer is to get rid of the active duty members who make a third of that- and fight our wars for us?
We currently have 1 civilian DOD employee for every TWO active duty members.
Here's an idea- let's get rid of ALL the active duty members and say BILLIONS; let the 800,000+ civilian DOD employees pick up a gun or man a tank or fly the fighter jets.
MORONS!
True they are morons, but when in doubt, Washington circles the wagons to protect their own. Soldiers and citizens are not part of their concern, just a source of money that feeds them.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#11 Apr 2, 2013
They SHOULD be forced to close some of their 800+ overseas bases, cut out some of their bloated, unnecessary weapons programs, and fire a lot of their aging, sexist white male command structure before reducing forces.

But then they couldn't pretend that the sequester was "endangering the nation's security," I suppose...

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Apr 2, 2013
yes, bring those soldiers home, take them off the DOD payroll, and put them on the unemployment payroll, since there are no jobs here for them.

be careful, dems/libs always gut the military, then bad things happen.
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#14 Apr 2, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
They even gutted the White House
At a "workshop" for the film 42 in the State Dining Room of the White House, First Lady Michelle Obama told the assembled guests that "this is your house, too."
"I want to make sure that you all know how welcome you are here in this house, because the truth is we do these things -- we make sure that we do these workshops so that you all know that this is your house, too," Obama told the guests. "So we want you to make yourselves at home. We want you to feel good and relaxed and learn and ask questions, okay?"
The White House is currently not allowing the public to tour or access the White House. Only invited guests are allowed inside.
SIXTH sighting of this crossposted, offtopic DumboSPam...tag it and BAG it!:)

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Perpignan

#15 Apr 2, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
SIXTH sighting of this crossposted, offtopic DumboSPam...tag it and BAG it!:)
Two more to go pookie, huba huba, you're burning daylight to get your points in for your bonus.

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#16 Apr 2, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Two more to go pookie, huba huba, you're burning daylight to get your points in for your bonus.
Another confession from Topix' most notorious troll and spammer.

“Moderately yours....”

Since: Aug 12

Buffalo, NY

#17 Apr 2, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly cut everyone but mine.
When B-2's can fly from Missouri to S.Korea in hours, we could close SOME of our 800 military bases all over the world.
It seems none of our allies have a military force.
What it seems to amount to is a big welfare program for our allies. The know they don't need to spend much on their security if we provide it.
Those bases serve the same function overseas as they do here, providing some jobs at a large cost to taxpayers. Our taxpayers , but you can be sure that, there is some politician in Germany trying to figure how to keep the US base in his district open.
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Since: Apr 09

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#19 Apr 2, 2013
Democrats sink Stockton using financial terrorism against US citizens. They Benghazied it.
fatbacksx

United States

#20 Apr 2, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
Haven't you learned that the private sector is far suppior to government hacks?
Iraq should have taught us that.
Top executives of Vice President Dick Cheney's former company, Halliburton, will be asked to testify next month before a House committee investigating potential favoritism and waste in Iraq reconstruction contracts.
Halliburton has been awarded more than $7 billion in Iraq contract work that involves everything from restoring oil production to feeding and housing U.S. troops.
A former logistics specialist said Halliburton charged taxpayers $10,000 a day to house employees in a five-star hotel in Kuwait instead of the $600 per day cost of using the same air-conditioned tents that house U.S. troops.
• A former "convoy commander" said Halliburton removed spare tires from its new $85,000 trucks, and gave instructions to abandon or "torch" the vehicles if they had a flat tire.
Waxman also said the cost of a food service contract was reduced by 40% after Halliburton's middleman role was eliminated.
Davis said there may be explanations, stating it might be a sound policy to abandon a truck rather than change a tire if a convoy comes under attack.
Only thing is, they weren't.
Halliburton Corporation has a contract to provide laundry services for Our Troops in Iraq and to accomplish that, they have these big trailers with washing machines in them. Halliburton reportedly bills the U.S. Army (your tax dollars) a charge of $100 per load to do laundry for our troops in the field. To add injury to greed, our soldiers are reporting that their laundry is coming back dirtier than when they were entrusted to the latest array of Halliburton services being provided to Our Troops. To add insult to injury, soldiers are being threatened with Court Martials for refusing to put on the nasty uniforms coming back from Halliburtons' operations.
Get the handcuffs out for that boil on the ass of society!
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#21 Apr 2, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
To be clear, as a 20+ year veteran I support DRASTICALLY drawing down our bloated military and closing all these unnecessary overseas bases.
But that must INCLUDE the MASSIVELY BLOATED CIVILIAN DOD workers!!!!!!!!
The trouble is that if they start hammering off
thousands and thousands of these civilians who
work on military bases, the local economies where those
bases are located will take a hard hit. No congressperson
is going to just stand idly by and watch his constituency
take the big hit. They will scream like wounded mallards.

Republicans should be 100% in favor of base closings and
the laying off of thousands and thousands of civilians.
Smaller government. Too bad we can't gut government to
the size where we can "drown it in a bathtub." "Starve the
beast." As Ronnie said, government is the problem and not
the solution.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#22 Apr 2, 2013
Buffalo Bull wrote:
<quoted text>
What it seems to amount to is a big welfare program for our allies. The know they don't need to spend much on their security if we provide it.
Those bases serve the same function overseas as they do here, providing some jobs at a large cost to taxpayers. Our taxpayers , but you can be sure that, there is some politician in Germany trying to figure how to keep the US base in his district open.
The real beauty in the system is that the U.S. gives them
billions of dollars (Israel) in aid so that they can buy
weapons for their own defense and they buy the weapons from
American manufacturers.

Sweet deal for the military-industrial complex.

Follow the money and it leads back to some American.

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