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10 years later: The Iraq war's lasting impact on U.S. politics

There are 139 comments on the cbsnews.com story from Mar 19, 2013, titled 10 years later: The Iraq war's lasting impact on U.S. politics. In it, cbsnews.com reports that:

In the months leading up to the Iraq war, an up-and-coming state senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, gave a passionate speech about the looming conflict, calling it "rash" and "dumb." Today, on the 10-year anniversary of the start of the war, Americans are still politically divided over the war, though most say the U.S. should have avoided it.

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“Life is Good”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#109 Mar 21, 2013
Notice wrote:
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Right up until the rampage, she was considered a Responsible Gun Owner, JUST LIKE ALL THE REST WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS UNTIL THEY ARE NOT AND DECIDE TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT!!!!!!!!!
50% of Gun deaths are from the owners own Gun!!!!! That means 50% of RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS are already NOT that!!!!
You didn't mention how many were used legally and for legal reasons....nice try.
Notice

Gardner, MA

#110 Mar 21, 2013
Notice wrote:
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1st: Did I say it was a Bushmaster TROLL? Why no I did not.
2nd: It doesn't matter how long it takes to fire RANDOMLY into the sky since the shooter was TARGETTING CHILDREN and was shooting at them!
3rd: There are Murderers who will Murder, should we make Murder legal because criminals don't care about LAWS CONCERNING MURDRER?
Sorry TROLL, make all the Rambo slick Troll comments you like, he used an assault weapon, 5 30 round clips, if he had to reload every 10, LESS CHILDREN WOULD BE DEAD!!!
And rest assured, the American people support Universal BAckground checks more than Vacation! More than Capitalism! More than Italian Food!
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/TV...
Pretty astonishing to see someone judge "LESS CHILDREN WOULD BE DEAD" as "funny"!!!!!!

Must be one of those "responsible gun owners".

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#111 Mar 21, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
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I would imagine even you folks would recognize that Lanza could not have killed 26 innocent folks so quickly if he had used a baseball bat or even a less powerful weapon?
Try again ....
Home made bombs, fire, poisons,?
Notice

Gardner, MA

#112 Mar 21, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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Home made bombs, fire, poisons,?
Illegal
Illegal
Illegal

Yet you bozo's simply cannot admit, Assualt Weapons were the tool.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#113 Mar 21, 2013
Notice wrote:
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Illegal
Illegal
Illegal
Yet you bozo's simply cannot admit, Assualt Weapons were the tool.
Funny, I was sure it's illegal to kill people too. So you're saying if the tool is illegal, that will stop the killing. How progressively brilliant of you.

“Life is Good”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#114 Mar 21, 2013
Notice wrote:
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Pretty astonishing to see someone judge "LESS CHILDREN WOULD BE DEAD" as "funny"!!!!!!
Must be one of those "responsible gun owners".
Look up ABORTION in your Funk n Wagnal.

“Life is Good”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#115 Mar 21, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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Funny, I was sure it's illegal to kill people too. So you're saying if the tool is illegal, that will stop the killing. How progressively brilliant of you.
I was just wondering what kind of gun Cain had to kill Able.....Oh and the little one shot cap and ball that killed Lincoln should be outlawed also.
Independent

Richmond, IN

#116 Mar 21, 2013
Notice wrote:
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Right up until the rampage, she was considered a Responsible Gun Owner, JUST LIKE ALL THE REST WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS UNTIL THEY ARE NOT AND DECIDE TO TAKE PEOPLE OUT!!!!!!!!!
50% of Gun deaths are from the owners own Gun!!!!! That means 50% of RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERS are already NOT that!!!!
Responsible gun owners my ass, She was enabler, her son was a nut case and she knew it but left her guns unlocked. This was her fault and she payed with her life. "50% of gun deaths are from the owners own gun" do you considered gang bangers in Chicago or D.C. Gun owners when most of their guns are stolen, in your little Obama world these thugs are considered Responsible gun owners.
Notice

Gardner, MA

#117 Mar 21, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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Funny, I was sure it's illegal to kill people too. So you're saying if the tool is illegal, that will stop the killing. How progressively brilliant of you.
You Trolls sure are good at going down twisted path rabbit holes, getting all tabgled in your BS now!

The difference is nutjob Troll

How many Bomb Murders in the US every day?
How many Poison Murders in the US every day?
Illegal tools

How many Gun Murders every day in the US, 87!!!!

No difference right?

“Life is Good”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#118 Mar 21, 2013
Notice wrote:
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You Trolls sure are good at going down twisted path rabbit holes, getting all tabgled in your BS now!
The difference is nutjob Troll
How many Bomb Murders in the US every day?
How many Poison Murders in the US every day?
Illegal tools
How many Gun Murders every day in the US, 87!!!!
No difference right?
How many killed by cars everday, how many killed by abortion ever day, how many die of drugs everyday.......hows all those law on the war on drugs working out for you clowns.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#119 Mar 21, 2013
I hear you Notice, getting tangled up in facts can be confusing for first timers. Start thinking of some names to call me. FACT: There were 14,500 people murdered in the US in 2011. FACT: That comes out to 40 a day NOT 87 (you must use progressive math too). FACT: Of those murders 33% were 'other means' NOT guns.

The progressive idea that if you ban a certain gun it will somehow stop criminals and psychopaths from getting a gun is, at the very least, ignorantly naive. Criminals do not follow the law, hence their name. Come up with a plan to identify and stop crazy people before they kill someone and you'll be a national hero.

By the way, there were 3,349 people murdered wth poison last year.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#120 Mar 21, 2013
hey, the Iraqi invasion started teh Arab spring, just like Bush said it would...(after there were no WMDs found and he had to change the reason for the invasion....)
Notice

Gardner, MA

#121 Mar 22, 2013
RustyS wrote:
I hear you Notice, getting tangled up in facts can be confusing for first timers. Start thinking of some names to call me. FACT: There were 14,500 people murdered in the US in 2011. FACT: That comes out to 40 a day NOT 87 (you must use progressive math too). FACT: Of those murders 33% were 'other means' NOT guns.
The progressive idea that if you ban a certain gun it will somehow stop criminals and psychopaths from getting a gun is, at the very least, ignorantly naive. Criminals do not follow the law, hence their name. Come up with a plan to identify and stop crazy people before they kill someone and you'll be a national hero.
By the way, there were 3,349 people murdered wth poison last year.
Unlike you who like to claim facts just by saying fatcs, I can show you!

"Guns and cars have long been among the leading causes of non-medical deaths in the U.S. By 2015, firearm fatalities will probably exceed traffic fatalities for the first time, based on data compiled by Bloomberg.

While motor-vehicle deaths dropped 22 percent from 2005 to 2010, gun fatalities are rising again after a low point in 2000, according to the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Shooting deaths in 2015 will probably rise to almost 33,000, and those related to autos will decline to about 32,000, based on the 10-year average trend.

As the nation reels from the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, the shift shows the effects of public policy, said Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis.

The fall in traffic deaths resulted from safer vehicles, restricted privileges for young drivers and seat-belt and other laws, he said. By contrast,“we’ve made policy decisions that have had the impact of making the widest array of firearms available to the widest array of people under the widest array of conditions.” While fewer households have guns, people who own guns are buying more of them, he said.

The Dec. 14 slaying of 20 children and six adults at the school in Newtown, Connecticut, reignited a debate over gun violence. While mass murders are rare, shootings aren’t. About 85 Americans are shot dead daily -- 53 of them suicides. Every day, one of those killed by firearms is 14 or younger."

Read it 85!!!

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-18/a...

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#122 Mar 22, 2013
RustyS wrote:
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Home made bombs, fire, poisons,?
Which one of your examples would be as easy or efficient as an picking up an assult weapon and to kill as many as quickly as possible. That is one reason they use an assult weapon.

Most of these gun nuts do not have the ability to assemble a bomb, or with the fire more of those children would have most likely been able to escape, or with the poison, chances are he would have been detected trying to poison that many children and carrying out that procedure.

Since: Mar 09

The Left Coast

#123 Mar 22, 2013
Let me reply progressively.

From your cut & paste: "About 85 Americans are shot dead daily -- 53 of them suicides"
If what you say is true, and 62% of the people killed by guns are suicides, it is obvious we need far stricter laws banning suicide.

And as far as poisoning, I can show you.

Poisoning Kills More Americans Than Car Crashes, Report Says

By Freeman Klopott - May 22, 2012 9:00 AM CT.

Poisoning, primarily by drugs, kills more people than car accidents, making it the biggest injury- related cause of death in the U.S., said a report by the Trust for America’s Health and the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

So I'm not sure why we're even discussing guns; cars, suicides and poisoning are far greater killers that require far greater regulations.

“Life is Good”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#124 Mar 22, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
hey, the Iraqi invasion started teh Arab spring, just like Bush said it would...(after there were no WMDs found and he had to change the reason for the invasion....)
Clinton started the Iraq war einstein. Maybe you had the blue dress over your head and didn't see it.

“Life is Good”

Since: Nov 08

Perpignan

#125 Mar 22, 2013
CB can see both sides wrote:
<quoted text>Which one of your examples would be as easy or efficient as an picking up an assult weapon and to kill as many as quickly as possible. That is one reason they use an assult weapon.
Most of these gun nuts do not have the ability to assemble a bomb, or with the fire more of those children would have most likely been able to escape, or with the poison, chances are he would have been detected trying to poison that many children and carrying out that procedure.
When you feel you have to change or manipulate a definition to make a point, you've lost before you begin. There were no assault weapons used at Sandy Hook. You must first speak from truth or you point is moot.
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#126 Mar 22, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
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Senate Kills Ryan Plan To Balance Federal Budget in Ten Years

So important was a balanced budget, that von lyan could only come up with a 10 year plan. More teadead failure.

hahahahahahahahahaha
GOP are wasting time

Gardner, MA

#127 Mar 22, 2013
And effort, and money and...

Remember when the 2012 presidential election ended the debate over repealing the Affordable Care Act? To a degree that is truly comical, congressional Republicans didn't get the memo.

The Senate on Friday rejected another GOP attempt to repeal President Obama's healthcare law.

An amendment to the Senate budget resolution from Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) failed on a 45-54 vote on Friday. Cruz's amendment would have repealed the Affordable Care Act and encouraged patient-centered reforms to reduce costs.

Senate Republicans knew Cruz's amendment was pointless, and knew it wouldn't pass, but literally every GOP senator voted for it anyway -- just because.

At this point, some of you may be wondering, "Exactly how many Obamacare repeal votes are we up to now?" By one estimate, the new total is 39 times.

Ted Cruz pushed a nearly identical measure a week ago, and according to the Washington Post, that was repeal vote #35. Earlier this week, the House voted on a Republican Study Committee budget plan that eliminates the entirety of the Affordable Care Act, which was #36. Yesterday, House Republicans voted for Paul Ryan's budget plan, which also eliminates most of the health care law (#37), and then last night, Senate Republicans voted on the same plan (#38).

That makes this morning's Senate vote the 39th time congressional Republicans have voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act, in whole or in part, just over the last two years.

Note, the point here is not to just point and laugh at the nonsensical GOP approach to policymaking -- though I suppose that's part of the fun -- but to appreciate a larger substantive dynamic.

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To reiterate what we discussed last week, this new Congress has only been in session for two months. At least in theory, members of both parties should be hard at work at, you know, governing. There are all kinds of problems in need of policymakers' attention, and pointless vanity exercises about repealing a law that isn't going anywhere may make Republicans feel warm inside, but they're clearly not serious.

There is a certain irony underscoring recent events. To listen to Republican rhetoric on Capitol Hill is to hear a series of complaints about President Obama: he's not being "serious" enough about getting things done; he's too focused on electoral considerations; he's not "leading" in a way the far-right finds satisfactory; he's reaching out to his rivals on the other side of the aisle but he doesn't really mean it.

But it's against this backdrop that Republicans vote, over and over again, to repeal a health care law they know won't be repealed. They do so, in part because they have a radicalized base that expects near-constant pandering, in part because some of their leaders have broader ambitions and see these tactics as useful, and in part because these votes just seem to help Republicans feel better about themselves.

We can debate the relative merits of these motivations, but can we also keep this in mind the next time we hear whining about the White House not being "serious" enough about constructive policymaking?

“Now do whats right!”

Since: Jan 09

Doolittle, Mo.

#128 Mar 22, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>When you feel you have to change or manipulate a definition to make a point, you've lost before you begin. There were no assault weapons used at Sandy Hook. You must first speak from truth or you point is moot.
Liar!

When you lie all the while you have documented evience to the contrary you not only lose but you make a lying fool out of your self!

And do not come back with your other lie again concerning a final report. The final Connecticut Highway Patrol, the Connecticut Medical Examiner and Connecticut Coroner have not changed their initial results.

A majority of the chilfren and adult's trauma were due to a Bushmaster .223 assult type weapon. The victims had an average of six gun shot wounds. The wounds differ greatly when a long gun and a pistol are used on human flesh

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