Republicans to Obama: Approve the Key...

Republicans to Obama: Approve the Keystone pipeline

There are 78 comments on the KOAT-TV story from Feb 23, 2013, titled Republicans to Obama: Approve the Keystone pipeline. In it, KOAT-TV reports that:

As Washington grapples with how to reduce the nation's deficit, Republicans are again pointing to the Keystone XL pipeline as a project that would boost the economy and ultimately make dents in paying off the federal debt.

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sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#63 Feb 24, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> then change the progressive laws on building new domestic refineries to start.
We could build two new refiniries in every state and drill for oil everywhere there is any oil...But do you honestly think after all that capital investment the oil companies will lower prices???? NO THEY WILL JACK THEM UP OR ATLEAST STAY SAME.....

If you owned a shoe store. And you invested in expanding and adding on and remodeling would you then lower prices you charge on shoes??????NO!!!!!!!!!!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#64 Feb 24, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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Not with the taxes nobama and some of the states are charging. Further exploration (here and world wide) drilling costs, salaries You don't know crap from Crisco.
Ah, I see you've bought the sob story from the oil barons hook line & sinker.

Oh well, that's your choice.

Just don't bitch about $4 gas.

Btw, according to the American Petroleum Institute's own statistics, taxes make up just 14% of a the price of a gallon of gas.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#65 Feb 24, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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A foreign trade zone (FTZ) can be a very beneficial tool for a company involved in foreign trade. It is a designated area in which foreign and domestic merchandise is generally considered by the U.S. government as being outside U.S. Customs territory. Merchandise may be brought into an FTZ without a formal customs entry, import quotas and most other import restrictions. Duties and excise taxes are not assessed until the merchandise enters U.S. commerce.
Imports.........bozo
Keystone will provide thousands of jobs, increase supply and lower dependence of foreign oil....period.
Yes, all that oil to be imported from Canada would be tax free.

How does it "increase supply and lower dependence on foreign oil" if the refined products are shipped overseas?

Again, guarantee every barrel of oil imported is refined in the US, taxed in the US, and the end products are sold in the US for the benefit of US citizens, and THEN you can have your pipeline.

Deal or no deal?

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#66 Feb 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Ah, I see you've bought the sob story from the oil barons hook line & sinker.
Oh well, that's your choice.
Just don't bitch about $4 gas.
Btw, according to the American Petroleum Institute's own statistics, taxes make up just 14% of a the price of a gallon of gas.
Gas went up during Bush's to near 4$ and then back down to 1.85 when he left.

Taxes, exploration, salaries, land bidding here and abroad...etc.

See that's the problem with you left brain types...you can't see the big picture..only the headlines that obummer gives you..."Oh we got to tax the rich...

Meanwhile..back at the capital..new government agencies which have been created are full of employees building mansions all over DC suburbs off our tax's.

Pelosi is getting rich off pork she put in while speaker...husband's fish processing plants in Samoa do NOT pay minimum wage...

You can't see con artists while your voting for them, can you.
Dickweed

Ames, IA

#67 Feb 24, 2013
In 2012 we exported a lot of gasoline. It was out #1 export.
This pipeline deal is not going to lower prices or increase our production.
Building and maintaining the pipeline may make some jobs, But at what cost to land owners, and citizens of towns along to way?
It is not the wonderful idea it has been made out to be.

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#68 Feb 24, 2013
sickofit wrote:
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We could build two new refiniries in every state and drill for oil everywhere there is any oil...But do you honestly think after all that capital investment the oil companies will lower prices???? NO THEY WILL JACK THEM UP OR ATLEAST STAY SAME.....
If you owned a shoe store. And you invested in expanding and adding on and remodeling would you then lower prices you charge on shoes??????NO!!!!!!!!!!
Supply.......demand and the free market system. More oil, more refiineries less cost..very simple. Junior College Eco..
Maybe we should ask why the price of natural gas decreased while oil prices increased. Natural gas is an energy source that relates to oil on an energy-equivalent basis of six thousand cubic feet of natural gas to one barrel of oil; however, at today's price-equivalent basis, you could buy 40 mcf of gas for the same amount you would pay for one barrel of oil.
Why is there such a price disparity between these two sources of energy? The answer is easy—the domestic supply of natural gas has increased dramatically in the past decade because independent oil and gas producers have applied improved technology in the form of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing to discover huge natural-gas reserves throughout the U.S. Although President Obama dismisses the "bumper sticker" strategy of "drill, baby, drill," the evidence suggests that the strategy has worked by supplying us with a long-term supply of natural gas and has also created jobs and economic benefits for the communities where these wells were drilled.
Gas has went down a few cents in the last two days...why you ask??? The Saudi's are pumping more..
We need to do just that.

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#69 Feb 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Yes, all that oil to be imported from Canada would be tax free.
How does it "increase supply and lower dependence on foreign oil" if the refined products are shipped overseas?
Again, guarantee every barrel of oil imported is refined in the US, taxed in the US, and the end products are sold in the US for the benefit of US citizens, and THEN you can have your pipeline.
Deal or no deal?
Read the above post....supply of natural gas is up, prices down.

We'll get the pipeline eventually...

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#70 Feb 24, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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Gas went up during Bush's to near 4$ and then back down to 1.85 when he left.
Taxes, exploration, salaries, land bidding here and abroad...etc.
See that's the problem with you left brain types...you can't see the big picture..only the headlines that obummer gives you..."Oh we got to tax the rich...
Meanwhile..back at the capital..new government agencies which have been created are full of employees building mansions all over DC suburbs off our tax's.
Pelosi is getting rich off pork she put in while speaker...husband's fish processing plants in Samoa do NOT pay minimum wage...
You can't see con artists while your voting for them, can you.
$1.85 a gallon?

But you just got done claiming with all the taxes and exploration and salaries and refining costs etc meant they couldn't sell gas that cheap and still make a profit.

Oh, so that was just another lie.

Turns out the oil companies STILL made over $50 BILLION in profits even when they were selling gas for $1.85 a gallon.

Gee, I wonder how much their profits are now that they're selling gas for $4/gal again?

If you feel so sorry for the poor oil barons, take heart- I'm sure they'll be charging $5/gal any day now.

And morons like you keep crying they're just not making enough profit and are almost BEGGING the oil barons to charge you more.

SUCKERS!!!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#71 Feb 24, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
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Read the above post....supply of natural gas is up, prices down.
We'll get the pipeline eventually...
So you're not willing to demand the oil barons sell the products they import & refine in America to Americans to help Americans? So America takes all the risk of spills & refinery accidents, but we get no benefit of the lower prices and the oil barons continue to get richer?

Question for you-

Do you use lube or do you just let them dry fuck you?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#72 Feb 24, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
<quoted text>
Supply.......demand and the free market system. More oil, more refiineries less cost..very simple. Junior College Eco..
.
So you really think that after spending hundreds of millions on new refineries the oil barons will LOWER the price of gas to pay for it?

I guess a sucker IS born every minute!
the rest of us

Saint Paul, MN

#73 Feb 24, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>

Question for you-
Do you use lube or do you just let them dry fuck you?
Question for you-
Have you always been a dense, deluded arrogant ass posting non-stop on topix day and night because you erroneously think people will listen on here like they will not in your real life?
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#74 Feb 24, 2013
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
<quoted text>
Supply.......demand and the free market system. More oil, more refiineries less cost..very simple. Junior College Eco..
Maybe we should ask why the price of natural gas decreased while oil prices increased. Natural gas is an energy source that relates to oil on an energy-equivalent basis of six thousand cubic feet of natural gas to one barrel of oil; however, at today's price-equivalent basis, you could buy 40 mcf of gas for the same amount you would pay for one barrel of oil.
Why is there such a price disparity between these two sources of energy? The answer is easy—the domestic supply of natural gas has increased dramatically in the past decade because independent oil and gas producers have applied improved technology in the form of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing to discover huge natural-gas reserves throughout the U.S. Although President Obama dismisses the "bumper sticker" strategy of "drill, baby, drill," the evidence suggests that the strategy has worked by supplying us with a long-term supply of natural gas and has also created jobs and economic benefits for the communities where these wells were drilled.
Gas has went down a few cents in the last two days...why you ask??? The Saudi's are pumping more..
We need to do just that.
You just dont get basic economics do you??? just because there is more new cars and trucks to buy then anyone will ever buy doesnt mean the cost of them goes down...HOW IS OIL COMPANEIS INVESTING MANY MANY BILLIONS AND ADDING MANY MORE EMPLOYEEES MEAN THEY CAN SELL FOR LESS??????? Cost them more and sell for less????? STUPID

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#75 Feb 24, 2013
the rest of us wrote:
<quoted text>
Question for you-
Have you always been a dense, deluded arrogant ass posting non-stop on topix day and night because you erroneously think people will listen on here like they will not in your real life?
Obviously you listened, or you wouldn't have responded to my post!

It's the middle of winter. I just got back in from shoveling snow and feeding my chickens; now I'm relaxing & posting while wacthing The Thing. Hubby is making us all supper.

But thanks for your concern about my well being.
Kennedy 817

Hurst, TX

#76 Feb 24, 2013
I agree that the Canadian part of the xxl isn't to our benefit. It wouldn't hurt my feelings if it weren't built. We would buy enough Canadian crude anyway with or without it. I would rather the Canadians sell to the Chinese and we use our own oil. The trade imbalance is the trade imbalance whether we buy from our friends or our enemies. Let the Canadians build their pipeline to the Pacific, if they even can. Canada wants that part of the xxl built so they can tie into our pipelines already built taking up our capacity that we may need in the future, rather than having to build a pipeline all their own. Screw them.

Canadian tar sands are not economic below $75 to $80 per barrel, costs too much to produce and then you have to mix higher grade petrochemicals just to get it to flow through a pipeline.

Our, some say, good friends the Saudis need between $82 and $85 a barrel to pay their bills, welfare and keep the royal family in the lavish lifestyle they are accustomed to. If the price dropped, the lavish lifestyle is not the one tha would take the hit.

I can well believe that oil companies are not showing a profit on paper. Oil companies are ploughing what would be profit in holding unproductive acres by minimal production and of course they will not show a profit on those unproductive acres until they sell them to soeone else or actually produce them. If they sell them they will pay capital gains tax, unless they buy more acres themselves then it's not a sale and just a trade. Ploughing the profit into acres for future use is like being paid $250,000 a year and only having to claim $30,000 a year but you get a free $220,000 house every single year. On paper it looks like you are barely making it but in fact you are doing just fine.

Someone said that the taxes on a gallon of gas was only $0.14. That might be federal tax but there is much more than that. ND charges 11.5% production and severance tax on every barrel of oil and then state income tax if any. There is also local sales tax. Tax is passed on to the consumer. I only wish there was only 14 cents tax on a gallon of gas.
Earlie

Troy, VA

#77 Feb 28, 2013
PooPoo Platter wrote:
Approve higher taxes for the top 2%...
Make the lower 47% pay their fair share of taxes.
Earlie

Troy, VA

#78 Feb 28, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So you really think that after spending hundreds of millions on new refineries the oil barons will LOWER the price of gas to pay for it?
I guess a sucker IS born every minute!
Ever hear of supply and demand?? If the market is flooded with excess fuel the price will be lowered. We can't build more refineries.
Earlie

Troy, VA

#79 Feb 28, 2013
The oil will be shipped overseas but building and maintaining pipe lines will provide jobs.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#80 Feb 28, 2013
Earlie wrote:
<quoted text>Ever hear of supply and demand?? If the market is flooded with excess fuel the price will be lowered. We can't build more refineries.
Yeah, sure it will.....

And unicorns will crap easter eggs.

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