In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

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“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#40172 Oct 10, 2012
water_nymph wrote:
<quoted text>Or, you haven't been near enough to the top to be counted as important enough to get rid of.
Motorola is pretty big, Litton Resources division of Litton Industries, Western Geophysical division of Western Atlas ... but ... quite right ... way way way down ... as mentioned previously I'm a technician, I fix stuff ... you know, blue collar stuff ... Blue Collar Philosopher ... I make no pretensions. I'm pretty good at it, I derive a measure of satisfaction from it. You don't lay off the machines that fix the machines. I tend to "look down" at salesmen, bean counters and executives as they tend to look down at people in my line ... even though they depend upon us utterly. I don't feel special or anything ... most techs are reasonably intelligent, but have little or no formal education. We're kind of in limbo.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#40173 Oct 10, 2012
macumazahn wrote:
<quoted text>And, unlike a lot of writing, it takes a bit of effort to read.
It does. No so the novel "Carrion Comfort" from Dan Simmons. An easy 900 page, page turner.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#40174 Oct 10, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not after you've been exposed as a fraud, I think not.
You're funny barefoot. I make no claims as a historian or student of the cold war. I spent 72-74 on a plateau in Ethiopia and 74-76 on an island in the middle of the Atlantic.. Sorry I missed DEFCON3, maybe I made a note but I lost the key to my diary a long time ago.

You said mention Meir ... okay ... MEIR!! Wasn't she Prime Minister or whatever of Israel during the Yom Kippur war? Didn't I say it had something to do with that war? What do you want from me?!?!? Was it her PMS that caused this near Global Meltdown?!?!? Jeez.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#40175 Oct 10, 2012
Gods shoeshine wrote:
We should tax the top 90% at 100$ so we can pay for 40% of our spending on war
Or maybe we should get out of the war and save 100% of our spending on it.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#40176 Oct 10, 2012
Faith
Does Obama‘s Mystery Ring Really Have ’There Is No God Except Allah’ Inscribed in Arabic?
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 6:30pm by Billy Hallowell

President Barack Obama's ring (Photo Credit: WND)

A World Net Daily (WND) report alleging that a ring President Barack Obama wears on his left hand includes the Islamic and Arabic phrase,“There is no God but Allah,” has been making its way across social media and the blogosphere.

The article cites two Obama critics as sources who claim that the president has been wearing the ring, which apparently now doubles as his wedding band, for the past 30 years. We’ll let WND describe the scenario to you in the outlet’s own words:


As a student at Harvard Law School, then-bachelor Barack Obama’s practice of wearing a gold band on his wedding-ring finger puzzled his colleagues.

Now, newly published photographs of Obama from the 1980s show that the ring Obama wore on his wedding-ring finger as an unmarried student is the same ring Michelle Robinson put on his finger at the couple’s wedding ceremony in 1992.

Moreover, according to Arabic-language and Islamic experts, the ring Obama has been wearing for more than 30 years is adorned with the first part of the Islamic declaration of faith, the Shahada:“There is no god except Allah.”

Some critics will likely seize upon this article to claim that Obama is a Muslim and that this is the proof that’s needed to out his purportedly secretly-held faith. After all, the alleged phrase that some claim is in the ring’s design is part of the shahada, the First Pillar of Islam and the declaration of belief that adherents must accept in order to be counted as Muslims.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#40177 Oct 10, 2012
Politics
‘Are You Gonna Do What I Think You’re Gonna Do?’: Latest O’Keefe Video Purportedly Shows DNC Staffer Helping Woman Vote Twice
Posted on October 10, 2012 at 4:35pm by Madeleine Morgenstern

Image source: Project Veritas/YouTube

Editor’s note: See updates below.

A new undercover video from conservative activist James O‘Keefe’s Project Veritas purports to show a staffer for the grassroots Obama effort Organizing for America helping facilitate voter fraud.

In the video, an O’Keefe operative tells a woman identified as Stephanie Caballero, regional field director at OFA Houston, that she has a Florida voter registration card and intends to vote both there and in Texas. While Caballero doesn’t explicitly encourage her to vote twice, she doesn’t discourage her from doing so during their laughter-filled conversations.

“[It] really concerns me that if we don‘t do everything we can we’re not going to win this election,” the videographer tells Caballero after a cut in the video, who according to Project Veritas is a “salaried employee” of the Democratic National Committee.

“So you mean that — OK, so you have to make sure because after 60 days you can send in your application to vote by mail ballot,” Caballero says.“So I can print that out for you. On Wednesday I’ll print it out and you just have to mail it back in or fax.”

“Or fax it back in so that I can do —” the videographer says.

“So they’ll send you a mail ballot,” Caballero replies.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#40178 Oct 10, 2012
Lil Ticked wrote:
<quoted text>Or maybe we should get out of the war and save 100% of our spending on it.
That Would Be Nice....Then We Could Prepare For The One Coming To Our Shores.

“There is no such thing”

Since: May 08

as a reasonable person

#40179 Oct 10, 2012
wolverine wrote:
<quoted text>
That Would Be Nice....Then We Could Prepare For The One Coming To Our Shores.
We already have one.
Skeptic

Thetford, UK

#40180 Oct 11, 2012
wolverine wrote:
<quoted text>
That Would Be Nice....Then We Could Prepare For The One Coming To Our Shores.
This is reality folks:

http://i.imgur.com/0g4oN.jpg

Since: Mar 11

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#40181 Oct 11, 2012
Awesome! Thanks man!
Skeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
This is reality folks:
http://i.imgur.com/0g4oN.jpg

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#40182 Oct 11, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
US bankers?
You skanque: I guess you are thinking we over here in the US haven't heard about BARCLAYS screwing over banks in the US & Europe and their fine (£290m, about a half billion dollars)- fixing inflated interest rates and such.
Putting aside that England banking system and most of their commerce was built on slave trade... historically speaking...
Yup, documented fact so you can huff and puff all you want, it will make no difference to the facts.

The libor scandal happened as a direct result of the depressed world economy, which was of course caused by the greed of US banking as outlined in my post on the subject.

The fine is not the money made but represents a bloody big slap on the hand. The actual money Barclays made from the scam is estimated at around $500k a week for the duration of the scam. That was small fry compared to the “trillions” of dollar holes caused by the subprime mortgage scandal that helped to plunge the “world” into recession and toppled major banking institutions and multinational companies.

I believe you are fond of the saying apples with apples. Honey why do you try to compare apples with planets?

Bob Diamond has (eventually) accepted responsibility and resigned, unlike the US bankers who got a government bonus – TWICE. Funnily enough Bob Diamond is American., do you think this had any baring on his actions?

In the UK it was goldsmiths looking for alternatives when Charles 1 seized their gold and so offered banking services to aristocracy for payment. Their profits allowed investments in overseas trade and then the textile industry provided copious amounts of cash that was used profitably to aid the slave trade. So historically speaking, not quite.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#40183 Oct 11, 2012
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
It does. No so the novel "Carrion Comfort" from Dan Simmons. An easy 900 page, page turner.
I've not read that. I will look.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#40184 Oct 11, 2012
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
Since you failed to source or link your data ...
I cannot hope to fix stupid.

Especially with your attention span.

Do Americans in combat zones pay income taxes?

I know: you weren't in a combat zone but you can look it up.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#40185 Oct 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
<quoted text>
Yup, documented fact
B A R C L A Y 's.

Ring a bell?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#40186 Oct 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
The libor scandal happened as a direct result of the depressed world economy, which was of course caused by the greed of US banking as outlined in my post on the subject.
YOU LYING SCANQUE!

B A R C L A Y 's.

Ring a bell?

Had NOTHING to do with sub prime: ZERO.

TELL ME: SINCE WHEN IS 500 BILLION "SMALL CHANGE:?

“First it steals your mind..”

Since: Jun 11

..and then it steals your soul

#40187 Oct 11, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
B A R C L A Y 's.
Ring a bell?
AIG, too.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#40188 Oct 11, 2012
RHill wrote:
<quoted text>
You're funny barefoot. I make no claims as a historian or student of the cold war.
Maybe when someone who was there makes an assertion you will be more reluctant to offer an option you know nothing about.

The Israelis were losing the Yom Kippur war. The USA was not in the mood to help- to stay neutral or close to it, openly. Meir needed a large and immediate infusion of supplies, particularly spares, and told Kissinger/Nixon she had nukes loaded on jets and was ready to drop them on Damascus & Cairo.

Of course she said this knowing the USSR would react (it did) and the USA reacted to this.

DefConIII.

And I don't care where you were in the world, if you were in the Navy, you would remember.

So you aren't being "truthful".

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#40189 Oct 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
The libor scandal happened as a direct result of the depressed world economy, which was of course caused by the greed of US banking
The collapse of EUROPEAN banking systems and failure of entire countries- Greece, Spain, Italy, e.g.: fault of US banks investing in sub prime mortgages?

How 'bout the tsunami and the Japanese earthquake?

Do tell: How did that $455 MILLION fine on Barclays tie in to the US sub prime crisis?

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#40190 Oct 11, 2012
Failed religious liars desperately trying to lie to atheists about their god hallucinations.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#40191 Oct 11, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
In the UK it was goldsmiths looking for alternatives when Charles 1 seized their gold and so offered banking services to aristocracy for payment. Their profits allowed investments in overseas trade and then the textile industry provided copious amounts of cash that was used profitably to aid the slave trade. So historically speaking, not quite.
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Banks and banking

The thriving British economy after 1660 was made possible mainly because of Britain's financial institutions. Trading houses, insurance companies and banks emerged to underpin Britain's overseas trade and empire. The expansion of overseas trade, especially in the Atlantic, relied on credit, and bills of credit (like modern travellers cheques), which were at the heart of the slave trade. Similarly, the maritime insurance, which was focused at Lloyds of London, thrived on the Atlantic slave trade.

There were no banks in the City until the mid-17th century, and even a century later, banking was under-developed outside London. But slave traders and planters badly needed credit. A slave voyage from Liverpool to Africa then on to the Caribbean, before heading home, could take 18 months. And each point of the trade - buying and selling Africans, buying and importing produce (mainly sugar) cultivated using the labour of enslaved people - involved credit arrangements. Merchants and traders in London, Bristol and Liverpool, bought the planters' produce, so in effect, British merchants became the bankers of the slave trade.

Provincial banking emerged in the 18th century because of the need for credit in the long-distance Atlantic slave trade. For example, Liverpool merchants involved in slave trading later formed Heywoods Bank, which eventually became part of Barclays Bank. Other modern banking names, such as Lloyds, emerged in this way and inevitably had links to the Atlantic slave trade. The Bank of England was also involved. When it was set up in 1694, it underpinned the whole system of commercial credit, and its wealthy City members, from the governor down, were often men whose fortunes had been made wholly or partly in the slave trade. The Bank of England stabilised the national finances, and enabled the state to wage its major wars of the 18th century. These wars were aimed at securing and safeguarding overseas possessions, including the slave colonies, and to finance the military and naval means that protected the Atlantic slave routes and the plantation economies.
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