In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

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“A witty saying proves nothing”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#38847 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I don't care: it has absolutely nothing to do with any point I have made.
In the last sixty years, the atheists Stalin and Mao are responsible for more deaths than anyone else. If you want to insist only Christians are responsible for the ills of the world, you are a loon.
But I understand why you would want to divert the thread away from the Limeys and their church state.
As their collective Christian worshiping pants are around their ankles.
Nice try, but is it loony for example to look at the dark ages and think (A.) they were caused by Christianity, and (B.) we would be several hundred years farther advanced today had the powers of Christianity not repressed every single aspect of science for over 700 years? Your religion has been an enormous blood sucking leach on society ever since Constantine got hold of it.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#38848 Sep 26, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Of course.
He is still a politician, and still a creationist.
My question is this: What do you make of people like him?
Hi DF

barefoot won't answer your question.

“A witty saying proves nothing”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#38849 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Unprovable one way or the other.
This is true. You have to just accept on faith alone that were the Christians, Muslims and Jews not blowing the shit out of each other all the time, that the world would be a better place.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#38850 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Unprovable one way or the other.
What ? Whether you are wearing Bucks underpants or not?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#38851 Sep 26, 2012
Clark Griswold wrote:
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Barefoot thread??? I thought this was the "bareass" thread. I'm outa here!
Lol

Yeah, barefoot's here and doing his damnedest to argue incessantly and pointlessly with as many people as he possibly can.

Sadly, you can be certain that in just a few short posts, barefoot will be directing his bile and invective in your direction, too.

SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38852 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Honey, I have been reminding liars like you to stop passing off what they paraphrase as quotes long before you ever posted here.
So STFU.
I never paraphrase or edit replies unless I am cutting text out of a long quote to fit into the word limit of a post.

If I have ever paraphrased you, then you can show me where I have ever replied to one of your statements that I have rewritten yourself. But I'll save you the time: you won't any, because I never paraphrase.

Do you even know what paraphrasing is?
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38853 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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APPOINTED.
Look up the word, see how it differs from the word "ELECTED".
PS: Still waiting for when you elected those Lords Spiritual, appointed by the Church of England.
I am not interested in your posts that insist the sun rises in the east.
I have not disputed that the Lords are appointed - I have even stated so in one of my posts. The point of contention is your claim that Lords are appointed by the CoE, which, like your MP claim, is bogus. Lords are appointed by independent bodies, MPs, or are passed through families.

Are they appointed by the CoE? No. Go back to school, Barefoot
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38854 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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APPOINTED.
So you lied when you said that you elected them.
I never claimed as such. Learn to read my posts instead of setting up strawmans.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38855 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I continue to ignore it because it doesn't have the slightest thing to do with my statement, no matter how hard you jump up and down and insist that some MPs are elected.
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MOMMY! Despite my cut & pastes, I cannot refute what Barefoot actually said and has said a dozen times! WAHHHHHHHHHHH! I can only refute my straw man! WAHHHHHHHHHHHH!
You ignore it because it refutes your claim that MPs are appointed by the CoE, but rather, by the people, as is the usual in any -secular- democracy.

Why do you continue to lie, Barefoot?
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38856 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH !
I have been "bringing up" the House of Lords and in the same breath Church of England in this thread (without checking dates) for about a YEAR.
So you are telling me that you have been repeatedly lying about the British political system for an entire year?

Pretty sad if you ask me.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You insisted you voted for the Lords Spiritual... and I keep waiting for the proof.
You insisted that I claim that we vote for the Lords... and I keep waiting for the proof.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38857 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
Irony meter go boom.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Inviting quotes doesn't make them real.
We have already established that you have no idea what quotes are.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
This has been refuted, what else do you have?
I am not interested in arguing with your copy & paste reruns.
Translation: you are not interested in reading the facts.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38858 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
You refute nothing.
Not a thing.
'Cuz claims on an internet forum clearly trump the documented rules from the official British Parliament website.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's remember I have posted several dozen times the Church of England appoints members to the Parliament.
And unsubstantiated claims can be dismissed as accordingly. You post claims, I post facts that refute your claims.

Facts > refuted claims.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
To refute what I have said, you have to show everyone that the Church of England does not, in fact, appoint members to the Parliament.
That is exactly what I have done. You have already stated that you ignore the "cut and pastes", so evidently you are never going to bother reading about how the British political system actually runs.

You have basically admitted that you are going to keep lying.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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And what you have posted CONFIRMS these appointments.
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Not remotely. Of the appointments to the Lords, the parliament website states that appointments can be made through independent bodies and recommendations from MPs.

You are claiming that the CoE make these appointments as well as appoint MPs. They do neither, not even in a ceremonial context.

You lost, Barefoot.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Where is the link to the elections that your own posts insist are appointments?
Where is the link to my post where I have claimed that Lords are elected?
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38859 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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HAHAHAAHAHAHAH!
Again: funny how you post your paraphrase but can't seem to find what I actually said.
Why dig up your old posts when you already dropped the debate like a hot potato. knowing full well that you lost it, and hoped that I would forget about it?
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38860 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am responsible for what I say, not for your straw men, honey, you m/f c/s g/d liar.
CoE = appoints Lords.
I am not debating your paraphrase, honey.
In otherwords, you are not debating the facts.

The CoE does -not- appoint Lords. It does not appoint MPs. It is not my fault that you cannot be bothered reading what the Parliament website lays out regarding Lord appointments and elections to the Commons.

In other words, it is not my fault that you choose to lie.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38861 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Quote me darling.
The USA = secular.
The UK = is not secular.
NOT.
Look up the word.
Any state that has a state religion = NOT secular.
There is no "degree" of NOT secular.
Our "state religion" is but a relic of the past, which you have continued to ignore. If your claim had merit, then we would see no Catholic churches in Britain, or mosques, or mandirs, or synagogues.

But, we do.

Could it just be that nobody here cares about the CoE, and that maybe, just maybe, we have just as much religious freedom as any other democratic nation.

Compare us to a country like Iran or Saudi Arabia. There are your state religions.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38862 Sep 26, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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I come back here to find barefoot getting his arse kicked all over this thread.
Proof positive that facts from the knowledgeable will always win out over screaming lies and hyperbole from posters like barefoot.
It's all about not falling for his distractions. Barefoot is trying to frustrate me with ad homs, false accusations of deceit and continually breaking my posts into multiple replies to try and overwhelm me with a multitude of replies that, when you actually read them, add nothing to his arguments.

Respond with facts and this is what you reduce his kind to. They cannot deal with facts.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38863 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
HHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!
"anyway"?
So you after two weeks are finally conceding that the CoE appoints members to the House of Lords?
Next- that the sun rises in the east?
First of all, we have not been debating for two weeks.

And second, the CoE appoints nobody. Not even the Lords. If you had actually read the excerpts I provided from the Parliament websites, you would know this.

But we know why you don't read them.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38864 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Funny how you claim to live in England but I know more about your own government than you.
Funny how I post excerpts straight from the Parliament website which you ignore.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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"This Note sets out current procedure for the dissolution of Parliament and proposed reforms set out by the green paper The Governance of Britain in July 2007. The Prime Minister announced on 6 April 2010 that the Queen had granted his wish for a general election to be held on Thursday 6 May 2010."
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!
What does this mean to you, HONEY?
Simple: it means that in accordance with electoral law that a general election must be held every five years (unless brought forward), a new election was due since the last one was held in 2005.

In other words, it was Parliament following a rather basic law with the Queen ceremonially rubber stamping it as is tradition.

It is frankly amazing that you think this proves anything regarding the Queen's powers.
SupaAFC

Paisley, UK

#38865 Sep 26, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
(quote)
In the annual State Opening of Parliament ceremony, The Queen opens Parliament in person, and addresses both Houses in The Queen's Speech. Neither House can proceed to public business until The Queen's Speech has been read.
This speech is drafted by the Government and not by The Queen. It outlines the Government's policy for the coming session of Parliament and indicates forthcoming legislation.
In addition to opening Parliament, only The Queen can summon Parliament, and prorogue (discontinue without dissolving it) or dissolve it.
When a Prime Minister wishes to dissolve Parliament and call a general election, he or she is obliged to seek the permission of the Sovereign to do so. For this purpose, the Prime Minister usually travels to Buckingham Palace before announcing a general election.
Since the Parliament Act of 1911, the life of the United Kingdom Parliament extends to five years, unless dissolved sooner by the Sovereign at the request of the Prime Minister.
(clip)
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHH! Barefoot keeps hitting me with FACTS! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
:-

"This speech is drafted by the Government and not by The Queen. It outlines the Government's policy for the coming session of Parliament and indicates forthcoming legislation."

:-

"drafted by the Government"

:-

"THE GOVERNMENT".

Tell me, Barefoot: if the Queen played any serious role in British politics, then why does she simply read out the government's policy agenda instead of her own?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#38866 Sep 26, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
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Our "state religion" is but a relic of the past, which you have continued to ignore. If your claim had merit, then we would see no Catholic churches in Britain, or mosques, or mandirs, or synagogues.
But, we do.
Could it just be that nobody here cares about the CoE, and that maybe, just maybe, we have just as much religious freedom as any other democratic nation.
Compare us to a country like Iran or Saudi Arabia. There are your state religions.
Absolutely.

Barefoot's limited vision demonstrates his complete inability to apply the adjective "secular" to what happens on the ground in society at large.

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